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Can a Christian Individual Explain this to me?

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Luftwaffe said:
And what of the countless generations that came before the birth of Jesus? They're just forsaken or something?
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I've always thought about that one.. It makes me laugh actually. There was man before their was religion. Kind of puts the whole thing up for question! ;)
 
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kjwins said:
Thanks for picking the spec from my eye.

Funny coming from someone who hates in the name of God. He has you're orders too.
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Sounds pretty judgmental to me.

John 3:36
 
Luftwaffe said:
And what of the countless generations that came before the birth of Jesus? They're just forsaken or something?
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What about them? Didn't you learn about what happens to them in this alleged theological school you are supposed to be in?
 
Logicman said:
Sounds pretty judgmental to me.

John 3:36
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Not a judgement. Just an observation. Nice try. who knows maybe you're right. But even you don't know that, that's why its called faith.
 
ludin said:
You are viewing it from a human perspective.
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The human perspective is the only one I can use.

To God sin is sin. it is all judged the same.
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I'll accept this as your viewpoint, but sadistic murderers and their sins cannot be judged equal to the sin of stealing.

however the judgment is harsher based on the deeds of the person.
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Then the gravity and depravity of the sin DOES matter?

however even a murderer can be saved. That is the grace and mercy of God.
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If all a sinner has to do is repent his sins I guess this is true.
If Adolf Hitler had repented in his bunker, would he have been saved?
 
radioman said:
The human perspective is the only one I can use.



I'll accept this as your viewpoint, but sadistic murderers and their sins cannot be judged equal to the sin of stealing.



Then the gravity and depravity of the sin DOES matter?



If all a sinner has to do is repent his sins I guess this is true.
If Adolf Hitler had repented in his bunker, would he have been saved?
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if he was truly sorry for his deeds and repented then yep he would have been.
however I doubt he did.
 
Luftwaffe said:
And what of the countless generations that came before the birth of Jesus? They're just forsaken or something?
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they are justified through the law.
read Hebrews 2 I think it is. I is the faith chapter.
 
ludin said:
if he was truly sorry for his deeds and repented then yep he would have been.
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That would seem to be an awfully light punishment for the horrors he inflicted on humanity.
On the other hand, he was drug-addled and insane, so maybe that fact, oddly enough, helps him a little.:shrug:

however I doubt he did.
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I agree.
 
ludin said:
I thought this guy left and wasn't going to post anymore I guess he is back.
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He will be here forever.
Kinda like a zombie.
 
Luftwaffe said:
And what of the countless generations that came before the birth of Jesus? They're just forsaken or something?
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Nope. They were also justified by faith in God that He would provide a redeemer. Basic theology 101.
 
Goshin said:
Nope. They were also justified by faith in God that He would provide a redeemer. Basic theology 101.
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Abraham came before the Law of Moses, and was justified by faith.
 
UtahBill said:
That is James speaking, not Jesus....
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True - I'm not sure Jesus taught about the nature of sin or compared the severity. The way God views sin is a discussion by us as rather abstract. I'm sure theologians have different views about it as well.
 
Thanks for all the replies... very interesting insight into things. And by no means stop! :)
 
radioman said:
That would seem to be an awfully light punishment for the horrors he inflicted on humanity.
On the other hand, he was drug-addled and insane, so maybe that fact, oddly enough, helps him a little.:shrug:



I agree.
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that is the thing about God's grace and mercy it was extended to all no matter what they did or who they became.
The murderer and thief on the cross. He didn't deserve mercy and grace but was extended it anyway.
 
ludin said:
that is the thing about God's grace and mercy it was extended to all no matter what they did or who they became.
The murderer and thief on the cross. He didn't deserve mercy and grace but was extended it anyway.
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That murderer didn't systematically massacre millions of innocents either.
I'm hopeful that my minimal sins will only get me a harsh talking-to when I meet my maker.
 
radioman said:
That murderer didn't systematically massacre millions of innocents either.
I'm hopeful that my minimal sins will only get me a harsh talking-to when I meet my maker.
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It doesn't say how many people he killed. does it matter?
That is the thing about Christ's blood it washes away all sin.
 
ludin said:
It doesn't say how many people he killed. does it matter?
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To me it does.
The sadism and malice involved in a sin, as well as the scope of the sin matters to me.

That is the thing about Christ's blood it washes away all sin.
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Christ-like I'm not.
Thank you for your up-lifting message.
 
Dem said:
Is there that much latitude within the 10 Commandments?


Georgia florist’s religious hypocrisy: She’ll serve adulterers, but gay couples are ‘a different kind of sin’

“In the Ten Commandments, it says you can’t commit adultery,” reporter Gary Tuchman said to the florist, Melissa Jeffcoat, adding, “It says you need to honor your father and mother.”

When he asked whether she would provide flowers for an adulterer or someone who had “dishonored” their parents, she replied affirmatively.

“Well, why would you serve them but not serve someone who is gay?” Tuchman asked.

“It’s just a different kind of sin to me,” Jeffcoat replied. “I just don’t believe in it.”

Georgia legislators had reportedly been considering a bill similar to the ones recently passed in Arkansas and Indiana, both of which have generated heavy criticism nationwide. But WMAZ-TV reported on Wednesday that the Georgia version of the “Religious Freedom Restoration Act” is stalled in committee.

Georgia florist’s religious hypocrisy: She’ll serve adulterers, but gay couples are ‘a different kind of sin’
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I don't think that it is all that surprising that different crimes demand different responses.
 
radioman said:
To me it does.
The sadism and malice involved in a sin, as well as the scope of the sin matters to me.
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That is why God is the judge and not us.

Christ-like I'm not.
Thank you for your up-lifting message.
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No one is. that is why Christ is needed.
 
it's just me said:
What about them? Didn't you learn about what happens to them in this alleged theological school you are supposed to be in?
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Theology 2 = christian morality

Theology 1 = world religions

As far as I'm concerned, theology 3 is where we go into the bible and all that. Theology 2 is basically the "hey, here are some moral values and processes you can use so that you don't do dumb ****."
 
Goshin said:
Nope. They were also justified by faith in God that He would provide a redeemer. Basic theology 101.
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What if there were good people who happened to praise other Gods simply due to ignorance and the society they were in?
 
Luftwaffe said:
What if there were good people who happened to praise other Gods simply due to ignorance and the society they were in?
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There are three main theories on that.

1. "the nations that forget God are cast in hell" - common conservative view
2. That God judges people based on what they did with whatever amount of truth they knew. - moderate view
3. "All paths lead up the same mountain." - fuzzy wuzzy feel-good view with little basis in scripture.


Pick your preference. I don't claim to know for sure.
 
Goshin said:
She is in error. Adultery is every bit as serious a sin as homosexual activity, Biblically speaking.


However, I doubt many customers come in and announce that they would like some flowers for their adultery, so... :)
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That is not right to question her beliefs. If she feels that adultery is not as serious a sin as SSM...why can't she believe that?

There is as much intolerance interfaith, than from external forces. If all Christians believed alike there would be one sect.
 
1750Texan said:
That is not right to question her beliefs. If she feels that adultery is not as serious a sin as SSM...why can't she believe that?

There is as much intolerance interfaith, than from external forces. If all Christians believed alike there would be one sect.
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I've explained my viewpoint at length in the thread. Not going over it again.
 
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