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Draft version of Senate Dems' jobs bill leaks

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Now, how much of this is supposed to create jobs? This is a joke! More political suicide by the Dems.

The 362-page draft bill touches on a vast array of areas, including extensions for unemployment benefits and COBRA health insurance premiums, tax incentives designed to spur hiring, spending programs on transportation initiatives, low-income housing credits, energy programs, disaster relief, an extension of Patriot Act provisions, extensions of Medicare payment programs, and tax proposal aiming to raise revenue from foreign-held assets and trusts.

Draft version of Senate Dems' jobs bill leaks - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
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Why can't politicians do one thing at a time? Pass a health care bill that does nothing but end pre-existing conditions.. 85 votes, done. Pass a jobs bill that does nothing but cut small business taxes.. 70 votes, done. Why do they have to make every single bill into a huge giant all-encompassing universal fix everything bill? It's not just the Democrats, but they do seem to be slightly worse.

I think we need a Constitutional amendment that limits all new laws to 140 characters or less.
 
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Tsunami said:
Why can't politicians do one thing at a time? Pass a health care bill that does nothing but end pre-existing conditions.. 85 votes, done.
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Because if you're going to ban preexisting conditions, then you have to also mandate health insurance. Otherwise people will game the system by waiting until they get sick to sign up for health insurance. And if you're going to mandate health insurance, then you have to also subsidize it for the poor. Otherwise people won't be penalized for being unable to afford it. And if you're going to subsidize it for the poor, then you have to also generate some revenue to pay for it. Otherwise it will increase the deficit. And if you're going to generate some revenue to pay for it, then you have to also find a way to control the costs. Otherwise it will cost the taxpayers much more than anticipated. The issues in health care are all interconnected in such a way that makes it difficult to pass any one of them by itself.
 
Tsunami said:
Why can't politicians do one thing at a time? Pass a health care bill that does nothing but end pre-existing conditions.. 85 votes, done. Pass a jobs bill that does nothing but cut small business taxes.. 70 votes, done. Why do they have to make every single bill into a huge giant all-encompassing universal fix everything bill? It's not just the Democrats, but they do seem to be slightly worse.

I think we need a Constitutional amendment that limits all new laws to 140 characters or less.
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They do riders to Bills because they know its the only way to get their bad idea past. Think it time to look at the line item veto for the President.
 
The 362-page draft bill touches on a vast array of areas, including extensions for unemployment benefits and COBRA health insurance premiums, tax incentives designed to spur hiring, spending programs on transportation initiatives, low-income housing credits, energy programs, disaster relief, an extension of Patriot Act provisions, extensions of Medicare payment programs, and tax proposal aiming to raise revenue from foreign-held assets and trusts..... and a partridge in a Pear tree. :roll:
 
mike2810 said:
They do riders to Bills because they know its the only way to get their bad idea past. Think it time to look at the line item veto for the President.
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Wouldn't do any good with this one and the health care bill.... he'd most likely add a few more lines of spending.
 
Kandahar said:
Because if you're going to ban preexisting conditions, then you have to also mandate health insurance. Otherwise people will game the system by waiting until they get sick to sign up for health insurance. And if you're going to mandate health insurance, then you have to also subsidize it for the poor. Otherwise people won't be penalized for being unable to afford it. And if you're going to subsidize it for the poor, then you have to also generate some revenue to pay for it. Otherwise it will increase the deficit. And if you're going to generate some revenue to pay for it, then you have to also find a way to control the costs. Otherwise it will cost the taxpayers much more than anticipated. The issues in health care are all interconnected in such a way that makes it difficult to pass any one of them by itself.
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You don't have to mandate health insurance, just check out the applicants before you give them a policy and deny (or charge more for) the ones with significant health problems. Or at least change "pre-existing condition" to "pre-diagnosed condition". It is insurance after all, they are supposed to take risks. When you insure your house or other valuables they are assessed beforehand. Health insurance companies should do the same, not require people to self-diagnose and penalize them for not being doctors.
 
Crunch said:
Wouldn't do any good with this one and the health care bill.... he'd most likely add a few more lines of spending.
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Line item Inclusion?
 
Tsunami said:
You don't have to mandate health insurance, just check out the applicants before you give them a policy and deny (or charge more for) the ones with significant health problems. Or at least change "pre-existing condition" to "pre-diagnosed condition". It is insurance after all, they are supposed to take risks. When you insure your house or other valuables they are assessed beforehand. Health insurance companies should do the same, not require people to self-diagnose and penalize them for not being doctors.
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I'm really confused by this. If that was all the ban on preexisting conditions would do, there's no way it would get 85 votes. That wouldn't actually solve the problem, it would just be a semantic change.

The issue most people have with preexisting conditions has nothing to do with requiring people to self-diagnose; most people just don't like the idea of not being able to get insurance when they're sick.
 
Kandahar said:
I'm really confused by this. If that was all the ban on preexisting conditions would do, there's no way it would get 85 votes. That wouldn't actually solve the problem, it would just be a semantic change.

The issue most people have with preexisting conditions has nothing to do with requiring people to self-diagnose; most people just don't like the idea of not being able to get insurance when they're sick.
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That's not what I meant by pre-existing conditions. Health care companies often refuse to pay a bill that would otherwise be covered by claiming the problem being treated was pre-existing. There's nothing wrong with denying health care to a smoker, except that everyone else ends up paying for them anyways since hospitals aren't allowed to refuse to treat someone who cannot pay. As far as I'm concerned, if you are going to keep that part of the law you might as well give them full health care coverage, it's cheaper. But not everyone agrees on this part. Where almost everyone does agree is that denying payment for arthritis treatments because a person forgot to mention they had a sore elbow when they signed up for coverage is despicable.
 
Tsunami said:
Why can't politicians do one thing at a time? Pass a health care bill that does nothing but end pre-existing conditions.. 85 votes, done. Pass a jobs bill that does nothing but cut small business taxes.. 70 votes, done. Why do they have to make every single bill into a huge giant all-encompassing universal fix everything bill? It's not just the Democrats, but they do seem to be slightly worse.

I think we need a Constitutional amendment that limits all new laws to 140 characters or less.
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Because the people that are proposing these bills don't understand that they won't have a positive effect, which means they're stupid and if they do know, it means they are intentionally trying to undermine the American economy.
 
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