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The Fake Nazi Death Camp: Wikipedia’s Longest Hoax, Exposed

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The fake Nazi death camp: Wikipedia’s longest hoax, exposed - Israel News - Haaretz.com

“The first gassing there took place on October 17, 1943, killing at least 150 Poles caught in a street roundup and about 20 Belgian Jews …. Bodies were either cremated in crematoriums or open-air pyres (including at a former sports stadium) or simply buried under collapsed buildings during the systematic demolition of the former ghetto .... [Some estimates] place the number of the camp’s victims well above 212,000, mainly Poles and several thousand of non-Polish.”

They come to honor the memory of thousands of Poles murdered in a gas chamber located near the Warsaw West (Warszawa Zachodnia) train station – which still exists – and have even erected monuments and plaques in their memory.

There’s just one problem: No such death camp ever existed. There is no historical evidence of German gas chambers ever existing in Warsaw, and nowhere near 200,000 people died in the cluster of Nazi internment centers that did stand at the basis of the myth of KL Warschau.
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Diagram of the bogus Warsaw "gas chamber." The vents were actually installed in the ‘70s.
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A church memorial plaque commemorates the "200,000 victims." The number is "baseless," Prof. Dreifuss says.
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An Israel Wikipedia editor (that goes by the user name "Icewhiz") uncovered a hoax by perpetuated by polish nationalist, to present the KL Warschau concentration camp as a death camp on Wikipedia.

“What you have are small-time concentration installations which are now getting magnified by right-wing conspiracy theories to include hundreds of thousands of Polish victims – their objective is to increase Polish losses and therefore Polish victimhood”.
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The page has been translated into multiple languages and flase information contained in the article has made its was into numerous wiki pages about the """holocaust""", which include the """Extermination camp""" article, where it was listed with camps like Auschwitz and Majdanek.

Icewhiz has been battling with polish editors (Team Poland) over the article. He lost standing with Wikipedia for his aggressive tactics, pro Israel bias and using anti polish slurs such as “Polocaust” and “Polophile”.

However, the fact that Icewhiz may be guilty of the same sins he accuses the Poles of committing on Wikipedia, does not make his argument factually wrong.
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^^^Does this apply to other groups too?

Now the article has been locked and contains information on the "Longest running Wikipedia hoax"

Why would anyone lie about the """holocaust"""? What's next? Are we going to learn that authors like Jerzy Kosinski made up stories about the "holocaust", in order to gain influence amongst influential Jewish circles and sell books...
 
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This is gonna be good!
 
Holocaust in quotes?

Yeah...sailors be warned, there be assholes in this thread.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
The fake Nazi death camp: Wikipedia’s longest hoax, exposed - Israel News - Haaretz.com



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An Israel Wikipedia editor (that goes by the user name "Icewhiz") uncovered a hoax by perpetuated by polish nationalist, to present the KL Warschau concentration camp as a death camp on Wikipedia.



The page has been translated into multiple languages and flase information contained in the article has made its was into numerous wiki pages about the """holocaust""", which include the """Extermination camp""" article, where it was listed with camps like Auschwitz and Majdanek.

Icewhiz has been battling with polish editors (Team Poland) over the article. He lost standing with Wikipedia for his aggressive tactics, pro Israel bias and using anti polish slurs such as “Polocaust” and “Polophile”.



^^^Does this apply to other groups too?

Now the article has been locked and contains information on the "Longest running Wikipedia hoax"

Why would anyone lie about the """holocaust"""? What's next? Are we going to learn that authors like Jerzy Kosinski made up stories about the "holocaust", in order to gain influence amongst influential Jewish circles and sell books...
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Your point being....what, exactly?
 
CitizenBasehead said:
I'm glad to see Zionist and Jewish publications show interest in exposing fake holocaust stories, I hope they keep up the good work.
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So in other words anti semitism. Somehow I’m not surprised.
 
Tigerace117 said:
So in other words anti semitism. Somehow I’m not surprised.
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How is Jewish people exposing fake holocaust stories anti Semitic? I would think most people would agree with me and say it's a good thing.
 
1. It is vital that the absolute truth be told about all mass killings, be they the Holocaust, the Rape of Nanking, the killings of Armenians in World War I, the killing fields of Cambodia, the Rwanda horrors, the treatment of Native Americans here in the United States during the 19th century, etc.

2. Those atrocities must be reported accurately so that the horrors have credibility.

3. I think that it fair to say that high school and college students should NOT rely on Wikipedia as the final word. They should consult many sources.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
I'm glad to see Zionist and Jewish publications show interest in exposing fake holocaust stories, I hope they keep up the good work.
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its not just zionist and jewish publications, its thousands of historian around the world not to mention legal authorities. Its work that has been going on for decades, hence the numerous apocryphal stories that deniers do so love to point to as definitive proof it was all big hoax.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
The fake Nazi death camp: Wikipedia’s longest hoax, exposed - Israel News - Haaretz.com



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An Israel Wikipedia editor (that goes by the user name "Icewhiz") uncovered a hoax by perpetuated by polish nationalist, to present the KL Warschau concentration camp as a death camp on Wikipedia.



The page has been translated into multiple languages and flase information contained in the article has made its was into numerous wiki pages about the """holocaust""", which include the """Extermination camp""" article, where it was listed with camps like Auschwitz and Majdanek.

Icewhiz has been battling with polish editors (Team Poland) over the article. He lost standing with Wikipedia for his aggressive tactics, pro Israel bias and using anti polish slurs such as “Polocaust” and “Polophile”.



^^^Does this apply to other groups too?

Now the article has been locked and contains information on the "Longest running Wikipedia hoax"

Why would anyone lie about the """holocaust"""? What's next? Are we going to learn that authors like Jerzy Kosinski made up stories about the "holocaust", in order to gain influence amongst influential Jewish circles and sell books...
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very interesting, still it is just one of many commie WW2 fakes, and the most pathetic of them is “Panfilov’s 28 Men" fairytale . everyone knows today that it was a stalinist fake , but 90% Muscovites choose to believe that it is a true story , my guess that many Poles do the same

"A massive blockbuster looks set to take Russia by storm. It’s the story of one of the best-known and most iconic episodes of World War II (for the Soviets): The sacrifice made by “Panfilov’s 28 Men" to save Moscow from the Germans.

There is just one small problem.

It’s not true."
Russia chooses myth over history in new WWII movie
 
Litwin said:
very interesting, still it is just one of many commie WW2 fakes.
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From the Haaretz article:
"The argument was first developed in the 1970s,” Davies wrote, “when Maria Trzcinska, a judge who served on the communist government’s Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes in Poland, alleged that ... the road tunnel on Jozef Bem Street that runs under the railway line near Warsaw West station had been converted into a giant gas chamber.”
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You're right, this is going to taint all the holocaust stories that came from the communist government of Poland. Your post makes me wonder how many other stories the communist Polish government fabricated?
 
CitizenBasehead said:
From the Haaretz article:



You're right, this is going to taint all the holocaust stories that came from the communist government of Poland. Your post makes me wonder how many other stories the communist Polish government fabricated?
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the commie governments fabricated almost all big stories . the commie regimes can not handle the truth , a good example

"The name of the village Chatyn is usually rendered as Khatyn. It is the site of a memorial complex commemorating more than 100 Belarussian villages where the Germans destroyed and massacred civilians in retaliation for partisan attacks.

But why in Khatyn? Why that particular hamlet from of the 100 villages where Nazis massacred civilians, or of the over 9000 destroyed (with some of their residents surviving)?

The answer to those questions speaks volumes about the use and abuse of history by the Soviet Union and Russia.

Note the similarity of the name Khatyn to that of Katyn, where the NKVD assassinated tens of thousands of Polish officers with a pistol shot to the back of the head. When the Germans discovered the graves, the Soviets denied responsibility, and for decades shrilly asserted that the Germans had killed the Poles. At Nuremberg the Soviets tried to put Germans on trial for the killings, but the Americans and British knew the truth and refused to go along.

This was a forbidden subject in Communist Poland, but Poles around the world continually pressed the Soviets to acknowledge their guilt. They made a political issue of it in the United States. Congressional hearings on Katyn were held in the early-50s. It was an embarrassing and annoying subject for the USSR. So they came up with a bizarrely Sovok scheme to attempt to consign Katyn to the memory hole and put a memorial to the victims of German atrocities in Khatyn. They erased all references to Katyn, the site of a Soviet atrocity, and made a great spectacle of Khatyn, the site of a German atrocity. By this three card monte trick the Soviets attempted to gull the world into believing that Katyn really was the site of a German war crime.

A CIA historian summarizes it well:

Meanwhile, the Soviets obliterated references to Katyn on maps and in official reference works. Then, in 1969, Moscow did something strange that many believe was further calculated to confuse the issue further: it chose a small village named Khatyn as the cite for Belorussia’s national war memorial. There was no apparent reason for the selection. Khatyn was one of 9,200 Belorussian villages the Germans had destroyed and one of more than a hundred where they had killed civilians in retaliation for partisan attacks. In Latin transliteration, however, Katyn and Khatyn look and sound alike, though they are spelled and pronounced quite differently in Russian and Belorussian. When President Nixon visited the USSR in July 1974, he toured the Khatyn memorial at his hosts’ insistence. Sensing that the Soviets were exploiting the visit for propaganda purposes, The New York Times headlined its coverage of the tour: “Nixon Sees Khatyn, a Soviet Memorial, Not Katyn Forest.” (The Times probably got it right. During the Vietnam war, the Soviets frequently took visiting US peace activists to Khatyn.)

The Telegraph ran a story about Nixon’s visit at the time:
 
President Nixon’s visit to the memorial in the Byelorussian village of Khatyn has caused a mistaken impression that Russia has erected a memorial to the victims of the wartime massacre of Polish officers in the Katyn forest. In fact, Khatyn and Katyn are two entirely different places; Khatyn, in which the ‘kh’ is pronounced like the English ‘h’ is a small village some 30 miles to the north-east of Minsk, the capital of Byelorussia.

Katyn, which is pronounced as written, is a town about 15 miles west of Smolensk, a provincial city in Russia proper. Khatyn is about 160 miles west of Katyn.

When Stalin and Hitler divided up Poland at the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939, some 240,000 Polish officers and men fell into Russian hands. After Hitler’s invasion of Russia in June 1941, 15,000 were found to be missing and the Russians denied all knowledge of them.

Katyn fell into German hands in the late summer of 1941 and at the beginning of 1943 the German army discovered a mass grave of 4,443 Polish officers and men.

When the Polish Government-in-exile appealed for an international tribunal to determine how the Poles died Stalin broke off relations. After re-taking Katyn the Russians set up their own inquiry and said the Poles had been executed by the Germans.

Later researches by Polish and independent authorities in the west, as well as wartime Foreign Office documents, leave no doubt that the Poles were executed by the Soviet secret police, the NKVD.

The Russians have tried to erase Katyn from maps and history books. The reference to it in the 1953 edition of the Soviet Encyclopedia was dropped in the 1973 edition. No visitors are allowed to the area and no memorial has been erected.

It was not until 1969 that the Russians announced the unveiling of a “memorial complex” on the site of the village of Khatyn. It was one of 9,200 Byelorussian villages destroyed by the Germans, and one of 136 of which all the inhabitants were killed.

The Russians appear to have chosen Khatyn because of the similarity of its name to Katyn. They hoped in this way to obscure the fact they have erected no memorial to the victims of Katyn, which was no less a crime than the one committed at Khatyn.

This is the way the Soviets manipulated World War II history to serve their ends. Putin continues these manipulations to this day, and good Sovok Lukashenko resurrects this staple of Soviet propaganda to slur the Ukrainians, by comparing them to Nazis.

Keep this in mind whenever Putin or any other Russian or FSU Sovok uses World War II history to make a political point, or to advance a political objective."

Katyn vs. Khatyn: An Illustration of How WWII History Was (and Is) Manipulated for Political Purposes | CTRM Center

Anti-Katyn - Wikipedia
 
CitizenBasehead said:
I'm glad to see Zionist and Jewish publications show interest in exposing fake holocaust stories, I hope they keep up the good work.
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This thread should be posted in the Conspiracy Forum... hopefully a Mod moves it.
 
Bodhisattva said:
This thread should be posted in the Conspiracy Forum... hopefully a Mod moves it.
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Did you read the article... If you did, you would realize what you said was extremely anti-semtic… and border line polophilic...
 
CitizenBasehead said:
Did you read the article... If you did, you would realize what you said was extremely anti-semtic… and border line polophilic...
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:lol: There is nothing remotely anti-Semitic about what I said. You need to learn what that term actually means because it does not mean anything about "disagreeing" with a Jew.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
Why would anyone lie about the """holocaust"""? What's next? Are we going to learn that authors like Jerzy Kosinski made up stories about the "holocaust", in order to gain influence amongst influential Jewish circles and sell books...
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First, it’s the Holocaust not the “holocaust.” Second, maybe no one is lying per say. Between the trauma of the Holocaust, being transported around Europe and between camps without any real idea of where you’re going, and the chaos after the war it’s no surprise that some details can be a little muddled. The eye witness testimony of survivors can sometimes be unreliable for that reason. The trial of the notorious Treblinka guard nicknamed “Ivan The Terrible” is a good example. A man was extradited and tried in Israel as supposedly being that person. Eye witnesses swore in court that they were absolutely certain the man in court was that man. But it turned out to be a case of mistaken identity.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
The fake Nazi death camp: Wikipedia’s longest hoax, exposed - Israel News - Haaretz.com



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An Israel Wikipedia editor (that goes by the user name "Icewhiz") uncovered a hoax by perpetuated by polish nationalist, to present the KL Warschau concentration camp as a death camp on Wikipedia.



The page has been translated into multiple languages and flase information contained in the article has made its was into numerous wiki pages about the """holocaust""", which include the """Extermination camp""" article, where it was listed with camps like Auschwitz and Majdanek.

Icewhiz has been battling with polish editors (Team Poland) over the article. He lost standing with Wikipedia for his aggressive tactics, pro Israel bias and using anti polish slurs such as “Polocaust” and “Polophile”.



^^^Does this apply to other groups too?

Now the article has been locked and contains information on the "Longest running Wikipedia hoax"

Why would anyone lie about the """holocaust"""? What's next? Are we going to learn that authors like Jerzy Kosinski made up stories about the "holocaust", in order to gain influence amongst influential Jewish circles and sell books...
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This is not a lie about the Holocaust. This is a lie about a camp, as your OP quotes:
“What you have are small-time concentration installations which are now getting magnified by right-wing conspiracy theories to include hundreds of thousands of Polish victims – their objective is to increase Polish losses and therefore Polish victimhood”.
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That does not mean the Holocaust is a hoax and that's not what the article says. Only the story of this camp as a hoax, perpetrated by Polish right-wingers.
 
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