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No. We already know that Christians have to accept Christ, I don't think anyone has debated this.It has everything to do with the point I made and you tried to derail.
I worded that poorly. I wasn't saying that you were "picking" things. I was saying that you were reducing other peoples' beliefs to them "picking things in order to fit a lifestyle".Blackdog said:I did not "pick" anything. If they are "Christians" they are submitting or supposed to God's will, not their own.
Matthew 11:28-29 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest," he added, "Take my yoke upon you and learn from me."
Like I said, nothing suggests picking and choosing to justify. What you highlighted suggests having a belief about God in your heart and mind and not seeing it in certain Christian teachings.Blackdog said:Lets see...
It doesn't matter how good a person is. That is a control thing. One of the things that has led some people, such as myself, away from Christianity, because I choose to believe that a good God would look into a person's heart and not be so petty as to expect people to believe in a book, such as the Bible, just because people thousands of years ago believed that they were telling others what God wanted and how to get to Heaven. I believe that God does not care what religion people follow or what small petty rules a person obeys, as long as they essentially live by the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and try to love each other. All the rest of the rules, including those about homosexuality and others, seem to me to be something that men would care about, not God. That is why I don't trust the Bible, because it does not fit with what my view of a good God is and it could have easily been manipulated by any of the many people who were responsible for it, from the writers of the text to the compilers and the translators and the changers.
Please read next time. I am certain you can now figure out the rest.
I'm sorry. We must be having a different conversation. My arguments have always been that Christianity preaches (in addition to love) "obey me or you're going to hell" and that the history of Christianity shows how MEN have used this as means of holding power over nations and populations. These are just facts.Blackdog said:Absolutely and unlike you or Nuke, I have posted historical evidence saying you are both wrong. So where is your proof as lip service means little in the realm of debate.
That's pretty fear invoking and a fantastic way to control people as the Catholic Church did for centuries until the printing press and that many churches still work from today.The Word of God said:The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather from his kingdom everything that causes sin as well as all lawbreakers. 50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:50
For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life. The one who rejects the Son will not see life, but God’s wrath remains on him. John 3:16, 36
Yeah, that it's a word people use to discredit explanations they don't want to hear. It's too bad.Blackdog said:Best excuse I have heard all day. You know what they say about excuses?
Then why would you even respond to Nuke's posts the way you did about her own beliefs when she isn't even a Christian.Blackdog said:You do realize I am talking specifically about those who say they are Christian, right? :doh I mean that has only been my argument for the whole thread. :doh
This is what you said:
So in other words you like so many want to make up your own God based on Christian teachings but ignore most of it because it does not fit in with your lifestyle or whatever.
In response to this:
That line of yours is what I've been criticizing this entire time and since Nuke moved "away from Christianity", I assumed we were both talking about non-Christians (although most of my arguments work for Christians as well).One of the things that has led some people, such as myself, away from Christianity, because I choose to believe that a good God ...
What do you think my argument is if you don't think there's proof? Moreover, when did you limit this to Christians since the post you originally criticized was filled with personal arguments made by a non-Christian. Hahaha.Blackdog said:Not if they call themselves Christian. What part of this did you miss? Or is it because you have absolutely no evidence to back up the rest of your argument?
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