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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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StillBallin75 said:
What's procreation have to do with "natural-ness?" Not everything in nature exists for the purpose of procreation.
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Again, why is that? There must be some logic that explains that!
 
RamFel said:
Again, why is that? There must be some logic that explains that!
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The burden of proof is on YOU to provide a logical defense for your position. I'm asking you why something is unnatural simply because it doesn't involve procreation.
 
StillBallin75 said:
The burden of proof is on YOU to provide a logical defense for your position. I'm asking you why something is unnatural simply because it doesn't involve procreation.
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Because it involves putting your dingus in another man's butt. Not natch.
 
CriticalThought said:
Lol.

Nope. The hand is not a reproductive organ. You can't make babies by masturbating. It's a completely unnatural act. It also, as mac would say, serves no discernible benefit to the species. The same with oral sex. The mouth is not a reproductive organ. You cannot procreate by engaging in fellatio or cunnilingus. What is the discernible benefit in acting in that manner? It is pure perversion I say! All masturbators and crotch lickers are perverts!
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If one can't say that the pleasure sex brings isn't a benefit to the species, then there not doing it right ;)
 
RamFel said:
OK then, explain to me how that works. Why is it that sex that can never create babies not unnatural?
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BDBoop said:
Okay, one last forced attempt to get an answer. I am a 52 y/o female who had a complete hysterectomy at 35. I should never have had sex after that. Correct?
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I'm talking to Ramfel. Dan, friends don't let friends post drunk. You''re going to be pretty embarrassed once you realize how many times you showed your ass tonight.
 
StillBallin75 said:
The burden of proof is on YOU to provide a logical defense for your position. I'm asking you why something is unnatural simply because it doesn't involve procreation.
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You can't answer, can you?

Can you?
 
RamFel said:
You can't answer, can you?

Can you?
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I asked you a question which you have failed to answer, and have instead responded with another question.

Homosexuality occurs in nature. There are several theories as to why it exists, but nobody knows for sure. But the fact that it exists in nature, clearly makes it natural even if its purpose isn't clear.

Again you have yet to provide a rationale for your logical leap of "doesn't involve procreation" --> therefore unnatural.
 
RamFel said:
Well, since gay sex is unnatural, and since marriage is only men and women, that means that SSM is not a real marriage. Oh, sure, it can happen, but it is a pretend marriage granted only because of your efforts to get it passed. If it passes, then you're just being mollified.

You guys have to come down to earth. You'll never get "real" marriage!
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Not a "real" marriage? Tell me...if SSM gets legalized and the government recognizes it how is it not a "real" marriage?
 
RamFel said:
Why is it that sex that can never create babies not unnatural?
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Two people who cannot create babies can have sex. For your logic to work, infertile couples and elderly couples, would also all be having "unnatural" sex. Sex is natural regardless of whether it can create life.
 
LuckyDan said:
Because there's no poon around and guys gets horny is my guess.
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Haha a bit off-topic but true story, I live in the DC Metro area and have volunteered a few times at the National Zoo. At the time, people were accusing the male panda "Tian Tian" of being gay. The baby panda Tai Shan had to be conceived through artifical insemination.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think Dan is pretty familiar with my arguments on gay issues. It's RamFel that's not making any sense.
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And I think you know the answers, even if the poster you're addressing isn't giving them.

This is an academic exercise to the pro-SSMers. You guys do seem to love the word and logic games here, but how is it playing with the people you bring this up to in your everyday lives?

Do you win many converts there?
 
StillBallin75 said:
Haha a bit off-topic but true story, I live in the DC Metro area and have volunteered a few times at the National Zoo. At the time, people were accusing the male panda "Tian Tian" of being gay. The baby panda Tai Shan had to be conceived through artifical insemination.
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Oh well hell! Marry me SB!
 
Your Star said:
What about lesbians?
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I don't know, Star.

But I will say this. Many - not all - but many lesbians I have known do not like men. I mean they have an innate dislike of men. Visceral.

Gay men, on the other hand, seem to adore women. Judy Garland, for example.
 
LuckyDan said:
And I think you know the answers, even if the poster you're addressing isn't giving them.

This is an academic exercise to the pro-SSMers. You guys do seem to love the word and logic games here, but how is it playing with the people you bring this up to in your everyday lives?

Do you win many converts there?
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I live in a pretty blue state but most of my peers, even in college, don't seem to give a **** about politics so it's not something I discuss with my friends a lot, and besides most of them are pro-SSM to begin with.

It's sad that an SSM bill failed this year in the General Assembly though. I assume they'll try again.
 
LuckyDan said:
I don't know, Star.

But I will say this. Many - not all - but many lesbians I have known do not like men. I mean they have an innate dislike of men. Visceral.

Gay men, on the other hand, seem to adore women. Judy Garland, for example.
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I don't hate men, alot of my friends are guys. I just don't want to have sex with them.
 
LuckyDan said:
Do you win many converts there?
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I can't think of a polite way to put this.

All my friends, family and loved ones are already enlightened enough to support SSM.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I live in a pretty blue state but most of my peers, even in college, don't seem to give a **** about politics so it's not something I discuss with my friends a lot, and besides most of them are pro-SSM to begin with.

It's sad that an SSM bill failed this year in the General Assembly though. I assume they'll try again.
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That they're pro-SSM doesn't surprise me, but can you tell me how they feel about marriage in general?

I ask because I have found that people of my own age who do not value marriage are fine with SSM as a matter of fairness, while those who value marriage tend to oppose it.
 
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