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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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theplaydrive said:
To be fair, he's not really "twisting" it - he's just making one up and disregarding the dictionary.
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Not everything that humans do is natural. Like homosexual sex, dictionary definitions of natural dont change that. Thanks for playing.
 
mac said:
Not everything that humans do is natural. Like homosexual sex, dictionary definitions of natural dont change that. Thanks for playing.
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And your definition is?
 
Redress said:
Do you know what the word "exceptional" means? Being the dominant species out of millions is pretty much the definition of exceptional.
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It's not the only definition. We are the dominant species due to our exceptionalism...not the other way around.
 
mac said:
Not everything that humans do is natural. Like homosexual sex, dictionary definitions of natural dont change that. Thanks for playing.
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Homosexual sex fits the definition of natural, while brain surgery doesn't. One happens without technological interference, and one doesn't.
 
mac said:
It's not the only definition. We are the dominant species due to our exceptionalism...not the other way around.
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Actually works both ways. Being the dominant species does make us exceptional.
 
Removable Mind said:
For the thousandth time...according to whom? Do you possess some credential that nobody's aware of in order to make that claim?

You are sounding as though it's FACT...and not opinion "once again".

Which is it?
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mac is incapable of the humility necessary to admit that his views are based on his opinion, not fact.
 
mac said:
Who care? Do you deny that humans are capable of unnatural acts?
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Do you deny humans are capable of natural acts?

Without a definition, who knows. Give us a definition. I gave one, by that one gay sex is natural.
 
mac said:
Not everything that humans do is natural. Like homosexual sex, dictionary definitions of natural dont change that. Thanks for playing.
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If not from the dictionary, where, pray tell, should we get our definitions?
 
mac said:
Who care? Do you deny that humans are capable of unnatural acts?
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You making up you own definition of "unnatural" as it relates to homosexuality. If the shoes doesn't fit, surgically alter the size of the foot...right?
 
Redress said:
Actually works both ways. Being the dominant species does make us exceptional.
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It's additional criteria. Who cares? Humans are exceptional....we have been regardless of whatever degree od dominance over the planet and other species.
 
Removable Mind said:
You making up you own definition of "unnatural" as it relates to homosexuality. If the shoes doesn't fit, surgically alter the size of the foot...right?
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Because humans do it does not make it natural.
 
mac said:
Then you prove my point...because humans do it does not make it natural.
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Nor does it make it unnatural. So, what we need is your definition of natural. If you are going to call homosexual sex unnatural, you need to give a reference for us to work with or we have no way to hold a conversation beyond "yes it is" "no it isn't".
 
Redress said:
Nor does it make it unnatural. So, what we need is your definition of natural. If you are going to call homosexual sex unnatural, you need to give a reference for us to work with or we have no way to hold a conversation beyond "yes it is" "no it isn't".
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That's not my purpose at the moment. Right now im just showing the holes in your appeal to nature.
 
mac said:
That's not my purpose at the moment. Right now im just showing the holes in your appeal to nature.
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I am not appealing to nature. Whether gay sex is natural or not has no bearing on my arguments about SSM. I am just laughing at your desperate attempts at claiming something that by any accepted definition of natural is, actually is not. Since you are putting all that effort into claiming it is not natural, you should at least try and support that claim. I was able to casually and without effort prove that it is in fact natural by the accepted definition of natural.
 
Dear mac,

Where are we supposed to get our definitions of natural if not in the dictionary?

Love,
theplaydrive
 
Redress said:
I am not appealing to nature. Whether gay sex is natural or not has no bearing on my arguments about SSM. I am just laughing at your desperate attempts at claiming something that by any accepted definition of natural is, actually is not. Since you are putting all that effort into claiming it is not natural, you should at least try and support that claim. I was able to casually and without effort prove that it is in fact natural by the accepted definition of natural.
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Can you fast?
 
mac said:
Can you fast?
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This has what to do with you actually mentioning your definition of natural? Why are you so afraid of actually giving a definition?
 
Just so we are all clear. mac is using a definition of "natural" from Natural Moral Law which in turn is derived from Aristotelian Philosophy. Most people stopped using his definition of "natural" in the Medieval ages. The Catholic Church and other orthodox Christian sects have kept it alive. His definition of "natural" is a teleological construct. He believes that everything is designed to serve a purpose and if it does not serve that purpose then it is an "unnatural" act. This form of Aristotelian Philosophy was abandoned by most of the world hundreds of years ago since it was based entirely upon speculation and conjecture.

For example, anal sex is "unnatural" because it does not lead to procreation. The rectum is not a reproductive organ. By extension, masturbation and oral sex are equally as "unnatural" since they don't lead to procreation. The hand and the mouth are not reproductive organs. In vitro fertilisation, which is the process of fertilising an egg with a sperm outside the body is also considered a highly "unnatural" act.

Most people today use an empirical definition of "natural". Empiricism is the basis of science, and it holds that observation and measurement are the key to understanding the world. As such, the modern definition of "natural" is that which is observable and measurable. Homosexuality is "natural" by this definition because it can be observed occurring prevalently in the higher animal kingdom.

So nobody is speaking the same language as mac. He is using an ancient and outdated worldview.
 
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Redress said:
This has what to do with you actually mentioning your definition of natural? Why are you so afraid of actually giving a definition?
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Can you choose not to eat?
 
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