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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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Blackdog said:
If God exists, would it not be logical to obey his commands? Well he exist for many and it is completely logical whether you want to believe or not.
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If God exists, and he gave people brains and free will, is it not logical he expects people to re-evaluate the rules they live under?

By the way, belief in god is not logical, it is based on faith. So no, that is not a logical reason. Further, by the laws this country was founded on, god says so is not a sufficient reason for something to be banned.
 
MistressNomad said:
You missed the joke again. You're bad at this.
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Or it was a bad and childish joke?

MistressNomad said:
So your delusional fantasy is the truth, but my delusional fantasy is stupid? What makes your delusional fantasy better than mine?
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Thousands of years of history and billions of followers throughout time up to this day.

MistressNomad said:
Uh, your belief still ends at you.
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I just said that.

MistressNomad said:
Unless you can substantiate your statements, you should be laughed out of the public discourse.

Hmmm....

:lamo
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Substantiate what? God? He will do that in his own time. I think that is what scares non believers the most. In the back of their minds, a tiny seed says: what if they are right?

I think that is why non believers are so rude and vocal. They complain about religious bigotry when they themselves are the biggest offenders in the bigotry department.
 
You do realize you have at least two Christians in this thread, debating opposite you. Right?
 
Redress said:
If God exists, and he gave people brains and free will, is it not logical he expects people to re-evaluate the rules they live under?
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I would assume man's law yes. He is pretty clear about his law though, it is forever.

Redress said:
By the way, belief in god is not logical, it is based on faith.
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Faith can be logical. If for example I have witnessed things that have proving God's existence to me, it is no longer faith, but fact. This is very logical for me and many others.

Redress said:
So no, that is not a logical reason.
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I have listed above a logical reason. So yes it can be.

Redress said:
Further, by the laws this country was founded on, god says so is not a sufficient reason for something to be banned.
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Laws cannot be based on religious doctrine. This does not mean people are not free to vote etc. by the Christian morals they posses.
 
BDBoop said:
You do realize you have at least two Christians in this thread, debating opposite you. Right?
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It is not for me to judge who or who is not a Christian, but I do know what the Bible says. It says they are wrong and they know this.
 
Blackdog said:
Faith can be logical. If for example I have witnessed things that have proving God's existence to me, it is no longer faith, but fact. This is very logical for me and many others.
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This is just......wow. Come on BD, I know your better than that.
 
Blackdog said:
Or it was a bad and childish joke?
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That's your territory, actually. You just aren't keeping up.

Thousands of years of history and billions of followers throughout time up to this day.
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So I guess when millions of people believed for thousands of years that the earth was flat, they were right? Oh. Wait.

Or the other old religions that billions of people have believed in for thousands of years must be right too? Or is it just yours?

Substantiate what? God? He will do that in his own time. I think that is what scares non believers the most. In the back of their minds, a tiny seed says: what if they are right?

I think that is why non believers are so rude and vocal. They complain about religious bigotry when they themselves are the biggest offenders in the bigotry department.
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No. Substantiate your claims within the context of a debate.

Have you considered the possibility that I really just don't think your deity exists? I don't find something not existing scary.

Pointing out other people's bigotry is not bigotry. You're expressing a persecution complex.
 
Blackdog said:
It is not for me to judge who or who is not a Christian, but I do know what the Bible says. It says they are wrong and they know this.
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I believe otherwise, even if I am wrong, I don't think God cares too much :shrug:
 
Your Star said:
And not entering into a same sex marriage would be doing that, you don't have to make a law that states everyone in the country/state has to follow that.
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Some people don't believe that. That is the way it is.
 
Blackdog said:
Some people don't believe that. That is the way it is.
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People will believe anything, doesn't mean it's logical, or we should make laws based on those beliefs.
 
Blackdog said:
I would assume man's law yes. He is pretty clear about his law though, it is forever.
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He is pretty clear about alot of things that are no longer canonical, as you know.

Faith can be logical. If for example I have witnessed things that have proving God's existence to me, it is no longer faith, but fact. This is very logical for me and many others.
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Yes, but until god comes down and makes his presence known to us, it is still based solely on faith, not logic.

I have listed above a logical reason. So yes it can be.
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You listed an imaginary hypothetical.

Laws cannot be based on religious doctrine. This does not mean people are not free to vote etc. by the Christian morals they posses.
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This is not a logical argument however against SSM. This is "I don't like gays".
 
Your Star said:
People will believe anything, doesn't mean it's logical, or we should make laws based on those beliefs.
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No one is telling you too. Others have a different opinion and they are entitled to it.
 
Blackdog said:
Well I hope you are right.
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I accept Christ, and interpretations of the Bible are done by humans, and we are fallible, God knows my heart is in the right place, so I believe He will forgive me if I am wrong.
 
Blackdog said:
It is not for me to judge who or who is not a Christian, but I do know what the Bible says. It says they are wrong and they know this.
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No, it doesn't. It says nothing of the sort.
 
Your Star said:
I believe otherwise, even if I am wrong, I don't think God cares too much :shrug:
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I never could figure out what possible reason god could have in this day and age to give a **** who any one has sex with. At one time, it would make a kind of sense, since he needed his followers to survive(he needed followers to survive himself?) and therefore needed people breeding as much as possible. In today's world however, that does not work. So why would god care?

Then I remember that bringing logic into religion is guaranteed to be painful.
 
Redress said:
He is pretty clear about alot of things that are no longer canonical, as you know.
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Come on Red, do you really want to go there?

Redress said:
Yes, but until god comes down and makes his presence known to us, it is still based solely on faith, not logic.
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You may or may not have a relationship with God. My faith is not logical, my belief is very much so.

Redress said:
You listed an imaginary hypothetical.
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No I listed a fact of my life.

Redress said:
This is not a logical argument however against SSM. This is "I don't like gays".
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Where did this "I don't like gay's" crap come from? Who said that?

It is a logical argument whether you want to see it or not is irrelevant.
 
Your Star said:
This is just......wow. Come on BD, I know your better than that.
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You don't have to believe me. Now when have I lied on these boards about anything? I am not lying now.

So you can "wow" all you like. I have seen and done allot at my age.
 
Blackdog said:
Yes it does. Do I need to show you chapter and verse?
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Oh, I know where it is. I just don't believe that a) God put it there, and b) gays know they're wrong, which is what you said.
 
Redress said:
I never could figure out what possible reason god could have in this day and age to give a **** who any one has sex with. At one time, it would make a kind of sense, since he needed his followers to survive(he needed followers to survive himself?) and therefore needed people breeding as much as possible. In today's world however, that does not work. So why would god care?

Then I remember that bringing logic into religion is guaranteed to be painful.
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Because you turn a blind eye to God. How can you know God when you call him names and think he is nothing more than a fairy tail?
 
BDBoop said:
Oh, I know where it is. I just don't believe that a) God put it there, and b) gays know they're wrong, which is what you said.
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No. I said the Christians here in this debate are wrong. Gays are no more wrong than an adulterer or fornicator. Since we all sin, it is not a question of wrong as you would put it.
 
Blackdog said:
No. I said the Christians here in this debate are wrong. Gays are no more wrong than an adulterer or fornicator. Since we all sin, it is not a question of wrong as you would put it.
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And I don't know I'm wrong, I think I'm right. Please don't speak for me.
 
See, that's what always gets me. You don't want people living in sin, then let them get married. :)
 
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