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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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Blackdog said:
It is a valid argument. My church will not marry gays, simple. If they get married in some UU church etc, cool. Only because civil unions are unrealistic and they deserve the same rights. This does not make what they do a marriage nor does it make it right.
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You didn't answer my question.

Churches have the right to decide who they will and won't marry. Not the question.

Why is a totally baseless opinion, that even the adherers won't even try to defend, and is based on their imagined deity, a valid argument in a secular country?

If they want to huddle amongst themselves in their church and agree the gays can't get married there, fine. That's theirs.

But out in reality, when you want to deny someone their rights, people are going to ask you why and expect you to have a reason.
 
BDBoop said:
That's the point I made in frustration earlier today. I don't actually believe that gays getting married can do any more damage to "the institution of marriage" than the straights have already done.
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I have some skin in this, my SIL is gay.
She and her partner are wonderful, love them very much and nothing would make me more happy, than to see them be able to wed legally.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
My neighbors were like that when I was a kid.
These guys looked like your average joes but they'd been together for a long time.
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Like most gay people. Once people realize that we are just as normal, and varied as straight people, we have won.
 
Boo Radley said:
Sadly, so do I. Of the couples who married from our church back when I married, all freinds, only my wife and I are still married. All the others (5 others) had affairs and divorced. I laugh because we were seen by the pastor as most likley to fail.
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:lol:

Everyone, my parents and my wife's parents said the same thing.
My parents are separated now. :doh
 
Blackdog said:
Bunk. The ability to get married promotes nothing as we see in modern marriage. The proof is in the pudding.
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The offer proof. Put up. Show me a study of married gays versus married strait people, and unmarried gays versus unmarried strati people. Let's get an honest comparison. You made the claim, can you back it up.

It's about gays who want the same rights as married couples. I have no problem with that

Of course this has little to do with me supporting so <--- Admittedly vague, but that's what I meant.

I mentioned it more than one time.
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At one time, recently in fact, you supported civil unions with the same rights as marriage, but not being actual marriage. You and I went around and around on this, with me questioning why if it is the same, you had to call it something different. Now read those two comments with that in mind and see if they could not be taken as your support for civil unions still.
 
Blackdog said:
But I have always supported CU, so why is this so hard for people to see? In fact I mentioned it a month ago.
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But that's not SSM, and I haven't noticed you post in several months so forgive me if I don't know your positions are if I have not read your posts.
 
MistressNomad said:
You didn't answer my question.

Churches have the right to decide who they will and won't marry. Not the question.

Why is a totally baseless opinion, that even the adherers won't even try to defend, and is based on their imagined deity, a valid argument in a secular country?

If they want to huddle amongst themselves in their church and agree the gays can't get married there, fine. That's theirs.

But out in reality, when you want to deny someone their rights, people are going to ask you why and expect you to have a reason.
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What part of God says it's a sin are you missing?
 
Your Star said:
But that's not SSM, and I haven't noticed you post in several months so forgive me if I don't know your positions are if I have not read your posts.
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Irrelevant, you should be reading what I am posting NOW and not attributing things to me I did not say.
 
Blackdog said:
What part of God says it's a sin are you missing?
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God gave us brains and free will too. Maybe he wants us to think for ourselves at some point...
 
Blackdog said:
What part of God says it's a sin are you missing?
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For the record, I don't believe God says this. See the revising the Bible thread. This was mostly added and misinterpreted I think.
 
Blackdog said:
What part of God says it's a sin are you missing?
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I don't buy it. There. I'm saying it out loud. I do not believe that God created an entire segment of society to suffer and be outcasts.
 
Redress said:
God gave us brains and free will too. Maybe he wants us to think for ourselves at some point...
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If you see the Bible as the being of the conversation, I think this would be consistent with how things evolve. If you see the Bible as the end of the converation, I think you'd struggle accepting any changes to what you think is true (universal you).
 
Your Star said:
But that's not SSM, and I haven't noticed you post in several months so forgive me if I don't know your positions are if I have not read your posts.
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It was kinda sudden, but about 15 years ago, it really seemed as if something drastic changed. I would go over to my mom and neighbor kids would be in the yard playing with the dogs and my mom's house was a center of neighborhood activity. It really felt like people had just gotten past the "she is gay, ick", to "she is a good person" and the rest did not matter.
 
Blackdog said:
Irrelevant, you should be reading what I am posting NOW and not attributing things to me I did not say.
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I'm not attributing anything to you that you didn't say, and I have been going off of conversations I've had with you in the past. And you have not made your position on SSM clear, you yourself said it was vague.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
So far, I've seen families completely accept it and I've seen them completely throw their kids away.

It's not right, at all.
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It really is sad. I pray that something like that doesn't happen with my family. I couldn't imagine losing them.
 
Redress said:
The offer proof. Put up. Show me a study of married gays versus married strait people, and unmarried gays versus unmarried strati people. Let's get an honest comparison. You made the claim, can you back it up.
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OK...

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Rates dropped because marriages are now declining as well.

Redress said:
At one time, recently in fact, you supported civil unions with the same rights as marriage, but not being actual marriage. You and I went around and around on this, with me questioning why if it is the same, you had to call it something different. Now read those two comments with that in mind and see if they could not be taken as your support for civil unions still.
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Like I told little Star, you need to read what I say and not assume. I try not to do it to you as well.
 
Redress said:
It was kinda sudden, but about 15 years ago, it really seemed as if something drastic changed. I would go over to my mom and neighbor kids would be in the yard playing with the dogs and my mom's house was a center of neighborhood activity. It really felt like people had just gotten past the "she is gay, ick", to "she is a good person" and the rest did not matter.
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I am thankful that I was born when I was, and that my generation is overwhelming accepting of LGBT people, I couldn't imagine what it would have been like living before now.
 
Your Star said:
I'm not attributing anything to you that you didn't say, and I have been going off of conversations I've had with you in the past. And you have not made your position on SSM clear, you yourself said it was vague.
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I said one of the comments was vauge. Fact is you read very little of what I posted other than what you felt was an attack MMMRIGHT?
 
So. You're fine with SSM, and we're just spinning our tires now?
 
BD, your big chart has jack **** to do with gays being hedonistic, or comparing strait relationships to gay relationships.
 
Blackdog said:
OK...

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Rates dropped because marriages are now declining as well.



Like I told little Star, you need to read what I say and not assume. I try not to do it to you as well.
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I read an article about a year ago in the Des Monies registar where someone argued the only way to save marriage was to allow same sex marriage. After all, they're the only one's still wanting to be married. :coffeepap
 
BDBoop said:
I don't buy it. There. I'm saying it out loud. I do not believe that God created an entire segment of society to suffer and be outcasts.
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That is your belief and that's OK. No skin of my nose one way or the other.
 
Blackdog said:
I said one of the comments was vauge. Fact is you read very little of what I posted other than what you felt was an attack MMMRIGHT?
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No, I just had problems understanding it, you have been pretty vague this whole time.
 
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