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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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Your Star said:
Really? Because I never made a decision about my sexuality, I became sexually aware around age 11, and I knew I was supposed to like boys, but I was attracted to girls instead. And I was quite comfortable with this, and had my first crush on a girl shortly after. I then became uncomfortable with my sexuality because I learned people didn't like gay people, and that it was somehow wrong, and I didn't get over that until recently. I tried to choose to like men during that time, but it wasn't possible, it wasn't who I was. I couldn't just say, well since homosexuality is disliked by alot of people, I'll just be heterosexual. It doesn't work that way.
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Really, I was propositioned fairly early, buy an adult and several older teen and pre-teen boys that lived in my building and neighborhood....and I have (had) a gay uncle. I was aware of homosexuality at a young age and it was never really addressed in our family as a horrible sin or wrong, or whatever. Mainly in deference to my Uncle, I think. It wasn't ostracized.
 
Your Star said:
What about the causes of heterosexuality?
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What about them? It is entirely possible (however difficult for you to accept) that Heterosexuality IS the normal and natural sexuality for humans and that homosexuality IS a deviancy. I don't mean that to be insulting, YS. Just offering a possibility.
 
mac said:
What about them? It is entirely possible (however difficult for you to accept) that Heterosexuality IS the normal and natural sexuality for humans and that homosexuality IS a deviancy. I don't mean that to be insulting, YS. Just offering a possibility.
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Would it be normal or natural for there to be no homosexuality in the human species?
 
"I think you just said that God is gay." - CaptainCourtesy

No.

Now go stand over there so I did get hit with the same bolt of lightning.


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winston53660 said:
Would it be normal or natural for there to be no homosexuality in the human species?
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Good question, considering there are indications that homosexuality in humans has been around as long as we have....it's possible that it is not natural for it not to exist in humanity. That doesn't rule out it being a fetish or a choice of some sort though.
 
mac said:
What about them? It is entirely possible (however difficult for you to accept) that Heterosexuality IS the normal and natural sexuality for humans and that homosexuality IS a deviancy. I don't mean that to be insulting, YS. Just offering a possibility.
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You really know nothing about my position do you?

I believe that whatever forms heterosexuality, also is how homosexuality is formed. I think homosexuality is formed due to some deviation in the process of forming sexuality, which happens in the womb. I also believe the process of forming sexuality isn't a black and white thing, I believe sexuality is fluid, and that the majority of people aren't 100% fully heterosexual, or homosexual. I believe that this is how we have heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexulaity.
 
mac said:
I haven't taken the position that it is a choice for everyone. My position is that it may be a choice, consciously or subconsciously, it may be learned, it may be genetic and it may simply be a fetish.

That's my official position on what causes homosexuality.
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However, according to your definition, it is NOT a natural disposition? As an example, for me sexuality was never a choice, I just liked women. I liked everything about them and I still do. At times they just knock me the **** out. That's just me. I have never tried to figure it out. I like it. It is part of who I am. By the same token I can understand the women feel the same way about men and further I can understand that people feel that way about both sexes and the same sex.

What I am hearing from you is that it is that you say sexual preference is normal in terms of heterosexuality, but is a choice beyond that. I don't understand the logic.
 
Your Star said:
You really know nothing about my position do you?
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I didn't presume to.

I believe that whatever forms heterosexuality, also is how homosexuality is formed. I think homosexuality is formed due to some deviation in the process of forming sexuality, which happens in the womb. I also believe the process of forming sexuality isn't a black and white thing, I believe sexuality is fluid, and that the majority of people aren't 100% fully heterosexual, or homosexual. I believe that this is how we have heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexulaity.
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Reasonable. What's your basis for the impact on formation of sexuality in utero?
 
mac said:
Good question, considering there are indications that homosexuality in humans has been around as long as we have....it's possible that it is not natural for it not to exist in humanity. That doesn't rule out it being a fetish or a choice of some sort though.
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Homosexuality has been documented since the earliest records of history. It is very likely it existed before we started documenting history as well.
 
mac said:
I didn't presume to.



Reasonable. What's your basis for the impact on formation of sexuality in utero?
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I believe it has alot to do with influx of hormones in utero. But we don't know for sure how any sexuality is formed. Therefore I think basing any laws on whether or not how a sexuality is formed is unwise, because we don't know enough.
 
Risky Thicket said:
However, according to your definition, it is NOT a natural disposition? As an example, for me sexuality was never a choice, I just liked women. I liked everything about them and I still do. At times they just knock me the **** out. That's just me. I have never tried to figure it out. I like it. It is part of who I am. By the same token I can understand the women feel the same way about men and further I can understand that people feel that way about both sexes and the same sex.

What I am hearing from you is that it is that you say sexual preference is normal in terms of heterosexuality, but is a choice beyond that. I don't understand the logic.
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Well, first....heterosexuality can be completely natural while homosexuality is not. Second, choice is not always a conscious, reasoned, endeavor. It can be sub-conscious...almost reflex based on conditioning by a multitude of agents. Since there is no conclusive evidence (yet, perhaps) that it is genetic, there is nothing concrete to say otherwise.
 
Your Star said:
I believe it has alot to do with influx of hormones in utero. But we don't know for sure how any sexuality is formed. Therefore I think basing any laws on whether or not how a sexuality is formed is unwise, because we don't know enough.
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Do you believe you have some hormonal imbalance in relation to straight females?
 
mac said:
Good question, considering there are indications that homosexuality in humans has been around as long as we have....it's possible that it is not natural for it not to exist in humanity. That doesn't rule out it being a fetish or a choice of some sort though.
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You realize, of course, that your argument is beginning to suck hind tit, don't you? With due respect you are beginning to sound like a member of the Christiban.
 
Risky Thicket said:
You realize, of course, that your argument is beginning to suck hind tit, don't you? With due respect you are beginning to sound like a member of the Christiban.
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That's funny. Why is that? Because it's not politically correct?
 
mac said:
Do you believe you have some hormonal imbalance in relation to straight females?
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No, I have no hormonal problems, this is not about my personal levels of estrogen/testosterone. If that was the case you could "cure" homosexuality by hormone therapy, but you can't. In fact they tried that once in the early 1900's, and all it did was make hornier gay people.

And also, why do you believe that laws should be based on something that isn't know? Is it not your stance that SSM shouldn't be allowed because homosexuality could possibly be a choice?
 
mac said:
Well, first....heterosexuality can be completely natural while homosexuality is not. Second, choice is not always a conscious, reasoned, endeavor. It can be sub-conscious...almost reflex based on conditioning by a multitude of agents. Since there is no conclusive evidence (yet, perhaps) that it is genetic, there is nothing concrete to say otherwise.
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But yet you found that you were attracted to men and in the end (no pun here) you decided that it would be better for you to schtupp women. Still then to this day you are tempted, but because you made a choice you would rather have sex with women. I'm thinking you are bi.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
But yet you found that you were attracted to men and in the end (no pun here) you decided that it would be better for you to schtupp women. Still then to this day you are tempting, but because you made a choice you would rather have sex with women. I'm thinking you are bi.
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You can think whatever you want. Your wrong.....it would seem you've lost any real argument and now you've decided to go after me personally.
 
Your Star said:
No, I have no hormonal problems, this is not about my personal levels of estrogen/testosterone. If that was the case you could "cure" homosexuality by hormone therapy, but you can't. In fact they tried that once in the early 1900's, and all it did was make hornier gay people.
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Then what makes you think hormones affected the formation of our sexuality in utero?

And also, why do you believe that laws should be based on something that isn't know? Is it not your stance that SSM shouldn't be allowed because homosexuality could possibly be a choice?
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I don't look at it that way. I don't see a reason to change longstanding tradition for what may be a choice. I also support civil unions that offer the same protections as marriage.
 
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