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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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BDBoop said:
I can't even remember the name of that family, but they seem to be doing just fine on their own.



From the Duggar's wiki page.
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The painting, decorating, furnishings, appliances, and other finishing touches, such as a stocked pantry, were provided by Discovery Networks and corporate sponsors
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hardly "on their own"
 
OhIsee.Then said:
Originally Posted by digsbe:
I believe that it is a sin according to the Bible. I also believe it's unnatural.
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So I have a conundrum with Christians like yourself. Do you believe yourself to be infallible?
 
Alfons said:
I am discussing about the low birth rates in the Western World, the Third World is unimportant for me.
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Haha. You only care about those people that are the most unnatural and abnormal. roflmao
 
Wake said:
Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

Do you think it sinless and natural? Why?

Can you prove your claim?
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Its probably both sinful and mostly natural.
 
megaprogman said:
Its probably both sinful and mostly natural.
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true. according to the bible it is sinful....but then again so is me looking at JLO and wanting to squeeze that big booty
 
tessaesque said:
They can't support them. They feed them, educate them, clothe them...through the charity of others.
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You know them all? Bit of a generalization, don't you think?

My father was the youngest of 14, no-one helped his family.
 
mac said:
You know them all? Bit of a generalization, don't you think?

My father was the youngest of 14, no-one helped his family.
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Off-color remark inbound.

Okay, when Celine Dion was on Rosie O'Donnell's show, she was sharing about how she's the youngest of 14. She said her mom wanted lots of kids, and her dad only wanted one. "So you can see who wore the pants in our family." Rosie shot back "Apparently, nobody."
 
BDBoop said:
Off-color remark inbound.

Okay, when Celine Dion was on Rosie O'Donnell's show, she was sharing about how she's the youngest of 14. She said her mom wanted lots of kids, and her dad only wanted one. "So you can see who wore the pants in our family." Rosie shot back "Apparently, nobody."
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Well, they didn't have TV, soooo.....
 
Wake said:
Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

Do you think it sinless and natural? Why?

Can you prove your claim?
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I am too lazy to read the whole thread up to here, so posting this to mark my entry point.

Sinful: I consider sin's to be actions. Homosexuality is a state of being and a part of orientation, so no.

Unnatural: not by any standard meaning of the word.
 
mac said:
Well, they didn't have TV, soooo.....
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;)

The issue Tessa raised. Did everybody get to go to college? Did they want to? How did those who wanted to, swing it?
 
Wake said:
Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?
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It's not sinful, no. However, I consider it to be some kind of "soul polarity disorder", meaning the male and female parts of the soul get mixed in a specific way. Imagine putting a woman in a man's body and vice versa. That would give you some idea. ;)
 
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BDBoop said:
;)

The issue Tessa raised. Did everybody get to go to college? Did they want to? How did those who wanted to, swing it?
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Two died in WWII, One in Korea, and two in Vietnam. Most of the women married, raised their own families and are all but dead now. I think one of the sisters did go, and 2 of his brothers. He didn't.

My Great-grandfather supported them by selling fruit from a roadside stand.
 
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Sounds like a book. I found my family-of-origin, and turns out my dad was the youngest of seven, with lots of information about how his grandfather sent his children over 1-2 at a time (from Finland).
 
Wake said:
Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

Do you think it sinless and natural? Why?

Can you prove your claim?
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For the millionth time no. I swear this same question gets "polled" every month if not week. :roll:
 
BDBoop said:
Sounds like a book. I found my family-of-origin, and turns out my dad was the youngest of seven, with lots of information about how his grandfather sent his children over 1-2 at a time (from Finland).
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Yeah, another cool part is both his parents were born in County Cork, Ireland, but met in NY.
 
Wake said:
Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

Do you think it sinless and natural? Why?

Can you prove your claim?
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Within the context of Christianity, most conservative interpretations say that homosexual activity is indeed sinful. This is due to multiple passages in scripture, both OT and NT, describing it as such.

Note that this is an interpretation that is internal to the Christian religion, nor are all those who profess Christianity in agreement with it. It is, to my knowelge, the majority opinion within Christiandom however.


Regarding the question of whether homosexuality is or is not "natural", it depends on the context. At one time I said "unnatural"... I have seen arguments to the contrary that have left me uncertain whether a certain level of non-standard sexual behavior may be more commonplace in nature than I once believed. Now, that in and of itself doesn't directly correlate to morality, norms or law.... there are plenty of things certain animals do that we condemn in humans (including murder, cannibalism and incest). :shrug:

Outside of the context of Christian beliefs, I tend to mind my own business really. For me to tell a homosexual who is not a Christian, that their lifestyle is sinful in my religious tradition is probably futile and will mean little to them.


Socially and legally, I would prefer that marriage remain a male-female thing. I think gay marriage is a misnomer and a contradiction to thousands of years of human society and custom. If my society decides to legalize it, however, I will have little choice but to play along, won't I? And it looks like that will probably happen someday.

Mostly though, I really don't spend that much time thinking about 'teh gayz'.... it just isn't one of my Big Issues.
 
ecofarm said:
Not goin' with Jesus on this one?
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I think you are mistaking "fantasy" for "temptation". Jesus said that he who has (for example) committed adultery in their mind has committed it in their heart - but Jesus was also famously tempted in the desert. The desire to do things that are wrong are in every man (and womans') heart - it is the giving in to that desire that is sinful, not the temptation itself.
 
Goshin said:
Within the context of Christianity, most conservative interpretations say that homosexual activity is indeed sinful. This is due to multiple passages in scripture, both OT and NT, describing it as such.

Note that this is an interpretation that is internal to the Christian religion, nor are all those who profess Christianity in agreement with it. It is, to my knowelge, the majority opinion within Christiandom however.


Regarding the question of whether homosexuality is or is not "natural", it depends on the context. At one time I said "unnatural"... I have seen arguments to the contrary that have left me uncertain whether a certain level of non-standard sexual behavior may be more commonplace in nature than I once believed. Now, that in and of itself doesn't directly correlate to morality, norms or law.... there are plenty of things certain animals do that we condemn in humans (including murder, cannibalism and incest). :shrug:

Outside of the context of Christian beliefs, I tend to mind my own business really. For me to tell a homosexual who is not a Christian, that their lifestyle is sinful in my religious tradition is probably futile and will mean little to them.


Socially and legally, I would prefer that marriage remain a male-female thing. I think gay marriage is a misnomer and a contradiction to thousands of years of human society and custom. If my society decides to legalize it, however, I will have little choice but to play along, won't I? And it looks like that will probably happen someday.

Mostly though, I really don't spend that much time thinking about 'teh gayz'.... it just isn't one of my Big Issues.
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what that guy said.

question - Dixie ; are you in the "heart of"?
 
Boo Radley said:
The act is not unnatural, as it happens in nature
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:shrug: i suppose there you would have to ask if you were defining our higher or fallen nature. plenty of things happen "naturally" that we consider to be morally unacceptable.

Sinful? I have concerns there and am not convinced it is sinful. However, as noted, that's more personal belief and how you define sin. Even if it were sinful, we have little right to legislate someone else's behavior without just case, meaning more than it being it sinful to us.
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truth. your right to swing your fists ends at my nose - not at your shoulder.
 
cpwill said:
what that guy said.

question - Dixie ; are you in the "heart of"?
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Not deepinnahearta..... the buckle on the Bible Belt, SC. :)
 
CriticalThought said:
So I have a conundrum with Christians like yourself. Do you believe yourself to be infallible?
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CriticalThought, christians hold that their bible is infallible as most religions do. This allows them to not be personally responsible for their positions; i.e. the bible told me to think that way or do that thing. Unless you can set your beliefs aside you can’t think critically.

This is true even in say engineering. I’ve worked with engineers that have what I call religiously held ‘knowledge’ of a subject and implement a poor solution because of it. They will hold to that belief even when faced with a solution that verifies, proves, their belief to be incorrect.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: i suppose there you would have to ask if you were defining our higher or fallen nature. plenty of things happen "naturally" that we consider to be morally unacceptable.
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Something happening in nature is not what makes it right or wrong. Only that it is natural. Many harmful things are natural. But we can't claim them to be unnatural. Only harmful. Or wrong. Or immoral. Not unnatural.


truth. your right to swing your fists ends at my nose - not at your shoulder.
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I agree. But when you decide another can't marry, for example, you've hit their nose. When you legislate what others can do, without just cause, only your interpretation of what is acceptable, something that doesn't hit your nose or anyone elses, you cross the line. Where there is just cause, like in pedophilia for example, laws that restrict are justified. Where you have no just cause, it's none of your damn business. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
Something happening in nature is not what makes it right or wrong. Only that it is natural. Many harmful things are natural. But we can't claim them to be unnatural. Only harmful. Or wrong. Or immoral. Not unnatural.
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:shrug: if you wish.

I agree. But when you decide another can't marry, for example, you've hit their nose.
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given that it is not their actions that are limited, but rather those of the county clerks, i would have to disagree. certainly i think you would heartily oppose any claims of the same "nose-bopping" with regards to other relationships that you do not wish to recognize as "marriage".

When you legislate what others can do, without just cause, only your interpretation of what is acceptable, something that doesn't hit your nose or anyone elses, you cross the line
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this is absolutely incorrect due to the subjective nature of "just cause". for example, I say you have no just cause to vote against me having the ability to stock my house with rockets, launchers, and heavy-machines guns. you are limiting what I can do without just cause, only your interpretation of what is acceptable, and it doesn't hit your nose or anyone else's what I do in my own house.

Where there is just cause, like in pedophilia for example, laws that restrict are justified. Where you have no just cause, it's none of your damn business.
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no one is arguing we should criminalize homosexuality.
 
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