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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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mac said:
What about them? It is entirely possible (however difficult for you to accept) that Heterosexuality IS the normal and natural sexuality for humans and that homosexuality IS a deviancy. I don't mean that to be insulting, YS. Just offering a possibility.
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And it is entirely possible that the opposite is true. Not trying to be insulting... just offering a possiblity, since we know that there is no definitive answer to what causes sexual orientation.
 
The Baron said:
"I think you just said that God is gay." - CaptainCourtesy

No.

Now go stand over there so I did get hit with the same bolt of lightning.


:mrgreen:​
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Good one. :lol:
 
Your Star said:
I believe it has alot to do with influx of hormones in utero. But we don't know for sure how any sexuality is formed. Therefore I think basing any laws on whether or not how a sexuality is formed is unwise, because we don't know enough.
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There is evidence that shows that transgenderism may be caused by this. Sexual orientation... perhaps, but the studies are far less conclusive.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
And it is entirely possible that the opposite is true. Not trying to be insulting... just offering a possiblity, since we know that there is no definitive answer to what causes sexual orientation.
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Agreed....I've said as much myself.
 
Your Star said:
No, I have no hormonal problems, this is not about my personal levels of estrogen/testosterone. If that was the case you could "cure" homosexuality by hormone therapy, but you can't. In fact they tried that once in the early 1900's, and all it did was make hornier gay people.

And also, why do you believe that laws should be based on something that isn't know? Is it not your stance that SSM shouldn't be allowed because homosexuality could possibly be a choice?
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See, this is why I think your hormone theory isn't accurate.
 
Redress said:
Yeah, if that was your intent, you could have. Not sure if gays have a different level of hormones, but there is some evidence of distinct physical differences.
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Yeah, research shows that there are differences, especially in brain responses. Hormones, not so much.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
See, this is why I think your hormone theory isn't accurate.
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I was talking about the mothers hormones and how it effects the baby, I saw a study about it a couple years back. Though, it's just a hypothesis at this point.
 
Your Star said:
You weren't choosing attraction, but activity, big difference.
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Ah yes... the 'ole "sexual behavior vs. sexual orientation" argument. Gets them EVERY time.
 
Your Star said:
I was talking about the mothers hormones and how it effects the baby, I saw a study about it a couple years back. Though, it's just a hypothesis at this point.
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I haven't seen much validity in studies like that. To much scatter to prove anything close to correlation, much less causation. It's certainly possible, since we don't know how "hormonal spikes" from the mother affect the fetus, depending on the time the "spikes" happen. This is some of the research that has been shown to potentially cause transgenderism, but this is very different from sexual orientation. I'd be surprised if a connection between hormones from the mother and sexual orientation panned out... at least not being the singular reason.
 
mac said:
Agreed....I've said as much myself.
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But mac... again it's the wording you use. If you agree with the statement, you should be using the term "sexual orientation", yet you do not. You separate homosexuality and heterosexuality in unequal ways. If you believe that either situation mentioned is possible, you pretty much NEVER indicate it.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I haven't seen much validity in studies like that. To much scatter to prove anything close to correlation, much less causation. It's certainly possible, since we don't know how "hormonal spikes" from the mother affect the fetus, depending on the time the "spikes" happen. This is some of the research that has been shown to potentially cause transgenderism, but this is very different from sexual orientation. I'd be surprised if a connection between hormones from the mother and sexual orientation panned out... at least not being the singular reason.
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Got any links to some recent studies? I haven't really researched this issue much lately, and would like to look at some more recent findings.
 
Your Star said:
Got any links to some recent studies? I haven't really researched this issue much lately, and would like to look at some more recent findings.
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Recent studies about the causes of sexual orientation? I'll take a look when I get home from work.
 
roguenuke said:
No we are humans. The vast majority of humans have sex for pleasure. In fact, most have sex for pleasure far more often than they do to try to procreate.
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As to the "nature" that is irrelevant. Completely irrelevant.
 
tessaesque said:
I read an article the other day about a lizard species in which every member is female and reproduce without sexual intercourse. These lady lizards often performed simulated sex as on one another. So...yeah...not every species uses sex as a means of reproduction.
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Animals are not human. Some animals can change sex as well. Has nothing to do with homosexuality or humans.
 
Boo Radley said:
It would only be impossibleif everythig was homosexual, though I suspect we'd still find a way. 10% of the population is hardly ever going to lead to us unable to procreate.
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This has nothing to do with my point. In modern studies it is 2% to 4% of the population is homosexual, not 10% I think.
 
Should not the child be allowed a mother and a father, to have balanced family influences?
 
Wake said:
Should not the child be allowed a mother and a father, to have balanced family influences?
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As of now, all evidence points to two parents of either gender being the ideal. Mother and father, 2 mothers, 2 fathers, similar outcomes.

And we won't even get into the divorce rate among strait people...
 
Blackdog said:
This has nothing to do with my point. In modern studies it is 2% to 4% of the population is homosexual, not 10% I think.
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Depends entirely on the study. About the only thing safe to say is somewhere between 2 and 10 % of the population is primarily/exclusively gay. I guestimate it at being pretty close to 5 %.
 
Redress said:
As of now, all evidence points to two parents of either gender being the ideal. Mother and father, 2 mothers, 2 fathers, similar outcomes.

And we won't even get into the divorce rate among strait people...
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But that still means one of the bio parents is not in the kid's life.

I assume the divorce rate is 50%. That's what everybody always says. What is the break-up rate among SS couples? Any studies on that? I really don't know.
 
I'd just like to point out for a moment that most fun things are "sinful". Nearly all sex is sinful, gambling is sinful, drinking is sinful, disobeying one's elders is sinful, thinking about sex is sinful, feeling envious is sinful, questioning authority is sinful.

Pretty much everything that we enjoy and most expressions of free will are sins.

Also, we get enjoyment from breaking the rules, which is also a sin.
 
LuckyDan said:
But that still means one of the bio parents is not in the kid's life.

I assume the divorce rate is 50%. That's what everybody always says. What is the break-up rate among SS couples? Any studies on that? I really don't know.
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No good studies on breakup rates among SSM couples. The closest, and one used by NARTH(LoLz), was a study among AIDS patients in Europe that broke down it's numbers by marriage. However, as those selected for the study where AIDS patients, among other problems, makes the numbers meaningless in terms of how well SSM couples do. The problem right now is that SSM has not been legal anywhere long enough to actually get good numbers.

For strait couples: I Don't: Divorce Rates by State - The Wall Street Journal Online - Interactive Graphics
 
Paschendale said:
I'd just like to point out for a moment that most fun things are "sinful". Nearly all sex is sinful, gambling is sinful, drinking is sinful, disobeying one's elders is sinful, thinking about sex is sinful, feeling envious is sinful, questioning authority is sinful.

Pretty much everything that we enjoy and most expressions of free will are sins.

Also, we get enjoyment from breaking the rules, which is also a sin.
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I'm no bible scholar, but sex is not sinful within marriage. Gambling is stupid but sinful? if you're a baptist, yeah. Drinking to the point of drunkeness - way stupid (trust me I know this one well) and probably sinful biblically, but a couple after dinner? Probably safe.

Envy is sinful and not much fun. Questioning authority? Nnnnn no. Where is that in the bible?
 
LuckyDan said:
I'm no bible scholar, but sex is not sinful within marriage. Gambling is stupid but sinful? if you're a baptist, yeah. Drinking to the point of drunkeness - way stupid (trust me I know this one well) and probably sinful biblically, but a couple after dinner? Probably safe.

Envy is sinful and not much fun. Questioning authority? Nnnnn no. Where is that in the bible?
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Rebellion was the original sin. Lucifer rebelled against God.
 
Redress said:
No good studies on breakup rates among SSM couples. The closest, and one used by NARTH(LoLz), was a study among AIDS patients in Europe that broke down it's numbers by marriage. However, as those selected for the study where AIDS patients, among other problems, makes the numbers meaningless in terms of how well SSM couples do. The problem right now is that SSM has not been legal anywhere long enough to actually get good numbers.

For strait couples: I Don't: Divorce Rates by State - The Wall Street Journal Online - Interactive Graphics
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Thanks. I'm not a statistics guy so that means little to me. It says

Divorce rates were calculated using the number of divorces and annulments by state, collected in the National Vital Statistics Report from December 2008 to November 2009, divided by state population,
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So it includes widows/widowers and never married people?
 
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