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Do liberals watch fox to get the other side of the story?

Do liberals watch fox to get the other side of the story?

  • Hells yeah!

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • Are you frigid kidding me??

    Votes: 17 70.8%
  • Total voters
    24
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Do liberals watch fox to get the other side of the story?
 
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mac said:
Do liberals watch fox to get the bother side of the story?
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I used to. Not so much any more due to time issues(I don't got enough of it), but I will still catch Bill O'Reilly occasionally. His humor works for me.
 
I'm not a liberal (although that label has been applied to me many times), but I definitely take in news from sources that don't sing my tune -- including both Fox News and CNN. Doing so both allows me to test my own views, pick up additional ammunition for responding to the opposing view, and stay sharp in general.

As an apatheist, I also listen to a lot of born-again Christian radio (a combination of opinion shows, question-and-answer shows, sermons, and the occasional 3-minute SRN broadcast) for essentially the same reason.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
I'm not a liberal (although that label has been applied to me many times), but I definitely take in news from sources that don't sing my tune -- including both Fox News and CNN. Doing so both allows me to test my own views, pick up additional ammunition for responding to the opposing view, and stay sharp in general.

As an apatheist, I also listen to a lot of born-again Christian radio (a combination of opinion shows, question-and-answer shows, sermons, and the occasional 3-minute SRN broadcast) for essentially the same reason.
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Apatheist? You don't care if there is a God or not? If that's your stance, why just Christian talk radio?
 
One of the hosts on the my favorite news-talk station was a Mormon. His show was mostly about local politics and the issues of the day, but I greatly enjoyed the occasional ingots he let slip -- right up until he publicly disagreed with a few positions held by the church and got booted.
 
mac said:
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I'm not a conservative, so I suppose they would label me as a liberal, but I don't watch Fox News to get the other side. If you ask me, Fox News is actually extremely bad for getting the other side out. I think that too much of their journalism is accusatory and fear-based and just plain nasty. Also, I don't like the visuals on the screen - there's just WAY too many things to look at at one time and so I find it extremely distracting.

I watch MSNBC, and one of my favorite shows on there is "Morning Joe." I like it so much because it isn't accusatory or fear-based. The panel gets together and they calmly discuss issues together and with others. They treat everyone well, conservatives and liberals both. Also, Joe Scarborough considers himself a conservative and was elected into Congress as a Republican back in the 90's, so I think his views are conservative even though they may not be dogmatic (which is why mainstream conservatives may consider him a RINO instead).

(And just for the record, the only other MSNBC shows I really enjoy watching are Chris Matthews and Laurence O'Donnell but that doesn't mean I agree with them all the time.)

As for getting conservative news, there's a local AM station I enjoy listening to when I'm alone at work. I listen to it because it's one of the few talk shows I can get on the radio. A new show started at mid-mornings with these two guys who lean conservative but they are rather more laid back about things than mainstream conservative pundits, which is why I like them. Also, I've tuned into Lou Dobbs when he airs in the afternoon. I've seen his television show when he was on CNN and I never much cared for it. However, I think he's wonderful on the radio. I think the difference is that when he's on TV he's alone and giving out his opinions whereas on the radio he's talking to and interacting with the audience. I don't agree with most things he says, though, but I do admit he's a good radio personality.
 
I watch Fox on occasion mostly for the entertainment value.
 
No. To insinuate the Fox is "the other side" is disingenuous.

Fox isn't even a real news station. They openly support Republican candidates, down to organizing rallies for them, pumping them on their shows, and even having people cross from Fox to politics. Even the most liberal of the liberal newcasters and commentators would be fired for doing that at any other news station. Olbermann was put on suspension just for privately donating to a DNC candidate without getting it cleared (as I think it should be). Can you imagine how fast he'd have been fired if he had put together a rally for them? It's not like anyone didn't know Olbermann was liberal. But it is still not consistent with journalistic ethics.

Fox is perfectly willing to lie or just not have done the research, and then have the Fox censor fix it for them in transcript, and they do on a regular basis. They don't even care about lying. They care about looking right.

There are better, more honest conservative commentators on other stations I can watch or read for perspective on the other side. Fox just really isn't a news station.
 
MistressNomad said:
Fox is perfectly willing to lie or just not have done the research, and then have the Fox censor fix it for them in transcript, and they do on a regular basis. They don't even care about lying. They care about looking right.

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They actually sued in court and won in court so they can lie.
 
I am not exactly a liberal, but I do agree with liberals on some issues. I did watch Fox news briefly after Bin Laden was killed, and was a little confused about why they thought, even after Obama's speech, that we had actually killed him with a bomb the prior week, and Obama had been hiding this from everyone out of some implied motive for deception.

To get the other side, I typically read books or articles written by people with whom I know I will initially disagree. I put myself in my "logician's mindset" by banishing emotion and considering the claims made as rationally as possible. I have learned a lot by doing so.
 
I watch fox and CNN, I avoid MSBNC entirely its a clownshow in my opinion. I also watch the mainstream media CBS, ABC again not NBC.
In my view you have to get news from other sources than use your brain to determine what you believe and what your for.
Too many people base everything on 40 minutes of foxnews a day or 40 minutes of MSNBC because they have no other time to pay attention
 
The other side of what the media thinks is a political position? If that's the case, then maybe. But to see conservative ideas, I doubt it.

For one thing, it's usually about finding what Fox News thinks, rather than conservatives of any brand think. Second of all, Fox News is fairly ill-equipped to give a good primer on conservatism, much like MSNBC is pretty poor at presenting liberal ideas. 24 hour stations are mostly circuses disguised as discussing "the big issues of the day." Nightly news programs of traditional formats are better in that they aren't circuses, but are just as detrimental in that it's mostly fluff coverage meant to make it seem like hard, tough-nosed journalism.
 
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“Do liberals watch fox to get the other side of the story?”

The choices are “Hells yeah!” or “Are you [friggin'] kidding me??” What do either those two options mean? Nothing to this liberal.

Where's the “I don't waste my time watching fake news and lyin' opinion programs” option?

All this poll shows is how weak another conservative's grasp of reality is.
 
Fox News is VERY useful for learning what's coming out of the conservative propaganda firehose.

The full array of conservative talking points and manufactured perspectives can be seen by tuning in for a couple hours once a week or so.

I also tune in when something happens that requires modification of the "messaging". Its fun to watch them scramble to adapt and try to guess how they're going to spin it.

Just sharpening up the filters for the upcoming Citizens United election. Gonna be a propaganda blizzard folks. Equip your minds appropriately!:2wave:
 
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Fox News is VERY useful for learning what's coming out of the conservative propaganda firehose.
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This right here.

This is why I don't watch Fox News. It's mostly propaganda that panders to the conservative base.

Now that's not an indictment on conservative thought or expression. I actually really like getting exposed to that. It's just that Fox News isn't an accurate view of it.

Which is one reason why I come to this forum. If I want to know what conservatives think I find out from them directly. I think that's a more accurate source of what they think than getting it second-hand from pundits paid to keep an audience to sell commercials.
 
Same as some others. Fox doesn’t offer a good salient explanation of the basis of their opinion. They do promote the right with the right’s positions. Fox often doesn’t survive fact checking. In this respect it is not the reciprocal of MSNBC, which does survive fact checking almost all the time. Fox is entertaining as is MSNBC but neither is news. So for me it’s CNN for video and NPR for in depth. The ‘The Economist’ for a periodical, Barron’s also, and Time for light reading.
 
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Same as some others. Fox doesn’t offer a good salient explanation of the basis of their opinion. They do promote the right with the right’s positions. Fox often doesn’t survive fact checking. In this respect it is not the reciprocal of MSNBC, which does survive fact checking almost all the time. Fox is entertaining as is MSNBC but neither is news. So for me it’s CNN for video and NPR for in depth. The ‘The Economist’ for a periodical, Barron’s also, and Time for light reading.
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I likewise hold that CNN is just Web 2.0 nonsense mixed with celebrity news (which gets us back to Web 2.0). For me NPR is pretty decent, but nothing to gloat about. Time, I only saw two articles within the past 6 months I thought were somewhat insightful, but they both had to dumb them down in order to make it readable to the average Time reader. The Economist gets my approval. Barron's I might say I have never come across, so shame on me.
 
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samsmart said:
This right here.

This is why I don't watch Fox News. It's mostly propaganda that panders to the conservative base.

Now that's not an indictment on conservative thought or expression. I actually really like getting exposed to that. It's just that Fox News isn't an accurate view of it.

Which is one reason why I come to this forum. If I want to know what conservatives think I find out from them directly. I think that's a more accurate source of what they think than getting it second-hand from pundits paid to keep an audience to sell commercials.
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Ah, but some decent chunk of the time, you just end up getting recycled Fox program bits in a different form from conservatives or liberals here. The narrative on all of the networks is just like what that whiny piece of documentary "OutFoxed" thought was only symptomatic of Fox News.

People usually end up just repeating what the waring stations say about each other and what most of the employees at said station think of politics. Very rarely are specialists or politicians of any sort are given the opportunity to speak. In the end, all we hear about is the media narrative of the day or week.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Ah, but some decent chunk of the time, you just end up getting recycled Fox program bits in a different form from conservatives or liberals here. The narrative on all of the networks is just like what that whiny piece of documentary "OutFoxed" thought was only symptomatic of Fox News.

People usually end up just repeating what the waring stations say about each other and what most of the employees at said station think of politics. Very rarely are specialists or politicians of any sort are given the opportunity to speak. In the end, all we hear about is the media narrative of the day or week.
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You absolutely right. But I've been extremely selective about which posts I read and respond to. This has allowed me to dodge those things for the most part.

Also, I think I have a good sense of an opinion that has been rehashed and one that is original. Those that are rehashed are usually pretty easily refuted or dismissed. Sometimes what happens is that someone will rehash an opinion and while it is being addressed the poster's own thoughts come out.

And you're right that we don't have near enough specialists and professionals commenting on their areas of expertise. Maybe something could be done about that. Not on this forum but just in general - seek out more opinions from professionals ourselves.
 
samsmart said:
Which is one reason why I come to this forum. If I want to know what conservatives think I find out from them directly.
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Same here. I don't watch the news, period. Not local, not national. I come here, and I follow links at news.google.com. That's probably why I'm always shocked when somebody accuses me of cherrypicking. I just brought back the most comprehensive post or article. I can't be giving a **** who slapped it up there.
 
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