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Assult and Rape, does it justify deadly force?

If assault and rape can be proven is deadily force:


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There was a discussion about assault and rape and the use of deadly force and a poster stated something along the lines of:

"Thats ridiculous. You wouldnt get away with that in a court of law and if you did, it be wrong and you shouldn't be able to. Rape alone does not cause grave bodily harm its just minor bruising and tearing. Injuries like those will heal completely within a few days. Only if you are being attacked with a deadly weapon or in the middle of be strangled to death can you use deadly force otherwise it is completely illegal and completely immoral"

also then compared it to a bar fight and how he would be able to just "full the guy full of lead"

Now I know this is just opinion and not matter what happens the law has to do its job, I could shoot a guy standing over me with an axe and I still have to face the law so im not asking that question. Nobody is above the law but what I want to know is if you are on a jury and a women was being beat and raped and managed to pull a gun or knive or hell even nail file and killed the scum would you sentence her to any type of murder and feel her response was unjust because its "only some minor bruising and tearing?"

My stance is, if the assault and rape can be proved she walks and deadly force is definitely justified.
 
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Mod can you please fix my two typos LOL
Poll question should read "If assult and rape can be proven, is deadly force:"
 
If you are being assaulted or raped then deadly force is necessary and justified.
 
If you are being assaulted or raped then deadly force is necessary and justified.

I dont know about the OR part

Assault alone may or may not require deadly force, it would depend on ones definition of assault.

For example you tell some girl she has the hottest rack you have ever seen and you'd like to live in there, she then proceeds to smack you, which is assault and then you shoot her. Uhm, I dont think I let you walk if Im on that jury :)

I know thats not what you meant but I just felt like being funny and being an ass for a minute :D
 
I dont know about the OR part

Assault alone may or may not require deadly force, it would depend on ones definition of assault.

For example you tell some girl she has the hottest rack you have ever seen and you'd like to live in there, she then proceeds to smack you, which is assault and then you shoot her. Uhm, I dont think I let you walk if Im on that jury :)

I know thats not what you meant but I just felt like being funny and being an ass for a minute :D

I guess it would depend on the degree of assault and or battery.
 
Assault is justified, and if necessary I think it would be ok to take the rapist's life if he is dangerous. Many rapists rape and kill their victims. I have no problem with assault being used in defense or lethal force if necessary.
 
Assault and I am in fear of my life? Killing the fool would be justified.

Rape? Killing the fool would be justified.
 
I believe people should be allowed to use lethal force to defend themselves from harsh language.

I do not believe in proportional force. If someone is attacking you, you should be allowed to do whatever it takes to make them stop.
 
Assault is justified, and if necessary I think it would be ok to take the rapist's life if he is dangerous. Many rapists rape and kill their victims. I have no problem with assault being used in defense or lethal force if necessary.

See thats my thought process Digs, I dont really know if a lot of rape victims are killed its actually probably low since there are so many rapes BUT if a person is mentally unstable enough to assault and rape how could the victim EVER assume she wasnt in danger of being killed by a nut case like that?
 
Many rapes and assualts end in the death of the victim. I can't begin to know the end intention of my attacker, but if I have a reason to fear for my life, I'm justified in using deadly force to end the threat.
 
I believe people should be allowed to use lethal force to defend themselves from harsh language.

I do not believe in proportional force. If someone is attacking you, you should be allowed to do whatever it takes to make them stop.

LOL HA!
like in the TV wild west days!

"You talked trash on my favorite sports team, well sir, I think you are a yellow belly coward, that drinks pond scum! meet me in the street to settle this!"

Nice!
 
IIrc, it's already such that if you have a reasonable fear that your life is in danger then you can commit homicide to save yourself.
 
I blame this poll for making me want mashed potatoes now.
 
No kidding. I'm starving and it'll likely be hours before I get to eat.

Sorry :)

its a line from one of my favorite Kids movies. Wonder if anybody knows.
 
I voted other, since to me it depends on the circumstances. But under some circumstances, then yes, I believe that the use of deadly force is justified to prevent or stop an assault or rape.
 
No one has the right to force him or herself on you. As such, you have every right to defend yourself especially against a rapist or someone who is attempting to sexually assaults you. Now, if in the process of defending yourself your assailant happens to fall and bump his/her head and dies...

Oh, well...:shrug: It's call "self-defense".
 
Rape certainly justifies deadly force. As for assault...it depends on what kind of assault, how severe it is, and what the circumstances are.
 
I didn't see this thread, and started a new one with a bit of a dissertation on the use of deadly force in self-defense, both in general and against rape. If I'd known this thread was here, I would have posted it here.... well here's a link to it.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/law-and-order/99390-lethal-force-vs-rape-legality.html#post1059495647

Thanks Goshin and like it was said in the other thread I find it extremely odd that anybody would water down rape in such away thats its merely a minor bruise???? Psychologically that seems unfit, cant imagine anybody looking at rape the same way they do as a drunken bar scuffle???

Its mind blowing, like I said before IMO those people either have no female family members, are different psychologically wise or are sexual predators themselves??
 
They're Straw Vulcans who refuse to acknowledge the validity of psychological concerns. Sometimes it helps to remind them that waterboarding does even less physical damage; other times, they don't see what the big deal about that is, either.

The only foolproof method of educating them on the issue is unfortunately unacceptable.
 
The quote in the OP makes me see red. "Minor bruising and tearing." As if having one's vagina torn apart is no big deal. I wonder if it would be a big deal if the poster who said that had his rectum violated with a weapon large enough to cause "minor bruising and tearing" of his anus and colon.

There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people on this planet who would rather die than be raped. Many of those who are raped WILL die, killed by their families or by committing suicide. Rape is not a "minor" crime. It's a crime that scars its victims for life.
 
The quote in the OP makes me see red. "Minor bruising and tearing." As if having one's vagina torn apart is no big deal. I wonder if it would be a big deal if the poster who said that had his rectum violated with a weapon large enough to cause "minor bruising and tearing" of his anus and colon.

There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people on this planet who would rather die than be raped. Many of those who are raped WILL die, killed by their families or by committing suicide. Rape is not a "minor" crime. It's a crime that scars its victims for life.

yep its actually disgusting to down play rape like that, like VK said theres one sure way to educate them but 2 wrongs dont make a right but Im thinkin he meant we should have them brutally assaulted and raped and then see how they feel about "just bruises"
 
yep its actually disgusting to down play rape like that, like VK said theres one sure way to educate them but 2 wrongs dont make a right but Im thinkin he meant we should have them brutally assaulted and raped and then see how they feel about "just bruises"

Obviously we shouldn't, but damned if I'm not tempted sometimes. It doesn't even have to be brutal, because it isn't the physical damage that leaves a lasting impression.

It just distresses me that people can be so completely and utterly clueless about how other human beings work. I suppose we should count ourselves lucky that we live in a world where some people are never forced to understand. I think I would prefer it if I didn't.
 
Obviously we shouldn't, but damned if I'm not tempted sometimes. It doesn't even have to be brutal, because it isn't the physical damage that leaves a lasting impression.

It just distresses me that people can be so completely and utterly clueless about how other human beings work. I suppose we should count ourselves lucky that we live in a world where some people are never forced to understand. I think I would prefer it if I didn't.



I agree 100% thats why I said they have to be psychologically damaged and or a sexual predator themselves.
 
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