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Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?

Who do you think will win the Republican nomination?


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You guys do realize that the ONLY person who has polls showing they can beat Obama is Ron Paul, right??

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So, if people just stopped with this ASSUMPTION that Paul "can't win" then not only CAN he win... but he WILL win. Of course the Ron Paul demonization campaign is going to come into full swing pretty soon.

Guy wins all the polls, all the debates, has REAL demonstrable integrity (something which makes him unique in this day), but the media won't address where he's turning heads, but instead of saying he can't win, they just report on those times that he wins and mention all others running.

It'd be like the media reporting on the super-bowl the day after without ever mentioning the winner.

What polls...the online/phone call/text ones that his loyal supporters band together to win every time? He does have an engaged following. I'll give him that much.
Anyone who says Obama was wrong for the way he went after Bin Laden, and killed him, is not going to win either the primary or general.
They should get behind Cain now, before someone like Romney wins the primary and loses the general. Cain is the only shoe in to beat Obama.
However, he has to get the nomination first.
 
What polls...the online/phone call/text ones that his loyal supporters band together to win every time? He does have an engaged following. I'll give him that much.
Anyone who says Obama was wrong for the way he went after Bin Laden, and killed him, is not going to win either the primary or general.
They should get behind Cain now, before someone like Romney wins the primary and loses the general. Cain is the only shoe in to beat Obama.
However, he has to get the nomination first.

You are forgetting about Daniels and the fact that if Cain is nominated, a lot of the repub base won't go out and vote during the general election, unless he panders to them and goes on a triad about gay marriage and abortion, in which case he'll lose the general election anyways.
 
I say Mitt Romney. If that happens, there might be a 3rd party ticket for conservatives. Then Obama would surely remain in office. :sigh:

God Mellie! Put duct tape over your mouth!

I know the media is pushing that, but they need to stop. You're right that it would be a guarantee win for Obama so hopefully conservatives will throw that idea under the bus.
 
You are forgetting about Daniels and the fact that if Cain is nominated, a lot of the repub base won't go out and vote during the general election, unless he panders to them and goes on a triad about gay marriage and abortion, in which case he'll lose the general election anyways.

I think the peole who don't plan to vote for Obama, will vote in the general, no matter who is running.
 
I think the peole who don't plan to vote for Obama, will vote in the general, no matter who is running.

some candidates - specifically Romney and Newt - would increase third party turnout.
 
I think the peole who don't plan to vote for Obama, will vote in the general, no matter who is running.

There aren't enough of those people to put any repub in the office though and social-conservatives tend to just not vote if they aren't going to be herd by either side.

but only because he foolishly doubled down on Romney-Care. If he took the approach Pawlenty took with cap and trade, and apologize for the mistake, he could remain the leading candidate in the GOP.

And then he would lose the general election.

moderates and conservative democrats picking the GOP candidate does not interest me in the slightest. I'm glad they have little voice in the republican primary, which is why romney's decision is a mistake

you might not like it, but those are the people who decide national elections.

And as a libertarian, you should agree with Romney that the constitution doesn't ban states from doing what Mass did, just the federal government.

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I just had an epiphany and I take back my opinion on social conservative not turning out to vote. I just realized why people have been hard at work combining the social right with the republican party which is to solidify power in the right in order to keep real capitalism from ever taking root in the population. It genius and disturbing.
 
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you might not like it, but those are the people who decide national elections.

And as a libertarian, you should agree with Romney that the constitution doesn't ban states from doing what Mass did, just the federal government.

I have no problem with the constitutionality of RomneyCare.
 
You know, it'd be nice to assuage the last vestiges of my white liberal guilt, seeing as I didn't vote for the last black Presidential candidate.

Besides, I think he's the real deal. I don't like the Fair Tax and he's more pro-life than I'd care for, but I believe he could lead Congress into fixing the budget and everything he's said about foreign policy strikes me as measured and pragmatic.



Opposite problem. He's phenomenal. He's everything I think of when I say "Presidential material". I'd vote for him twice if I agreed with him on a single damned thing.
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I'm putting this in my sig line. Hope you don't mind. I couldn't put it better myself.:2wave:

Opposite problem. He's phenomenal. He's everything I think of when I say "Presidential material". I'd vote for him twice if I agreed with him on a single damned thing.
 
Ahem. There's only room for 10 poll options; I can't include everyone. So I listed the 9 candidates that had the best chance of winning according to InTrade as of last night, and also included an option for "other."

Is Herman Cain going to be the Ron Paul of this election cycle...the candidate with lots of annoying supporters on the internet and no real support among the electorate? It's starting to seem that way. :roll:

Just because I might be annoying doesn't mean the rest of his base will be. :)
I just love the man and can't help myself. He is the one man who could get this economy back on track and pulling away from China. They are about to over take us.
InTrade? Was it recent? I thought Cain was moving up there, or maybe I'm thinking of something else.
 
Just because I might be annoying doesn't mean the rest of his base will be. :)
I just love the man and can't help myself. He is the one man who could get this economy back on track and pulling away from China. They are about to over take us.
InTrade? Was it recent? I thought Cain was moving up there, or maybe I'm thinking of something else.


Barb it might be that its the herman cain types that have put china in the position to be about to take us over...

Our dear corporations did that to make an extra buck or two
 
China should have the largest economy in the world. They have the most people. Its depressing its taken them this long to get back to where they were a 1000 years ago
 
China should have the largest economy in the world. They have the most people. Its depressing its taken them this long to get back to where they were a 1000 years ago

Gee...if that's the case, lets work on our population.:roll:
I don't think we want to have the biggest economy, just the best, most prosperous, economy.
 
What polls...the online/phone call/text ones that his loyal supporters band together to win every time? He does have an engaged following. I'll give him that much.
Anyone who says Obama was wrong for the way he went after Bin Laden, and killed him, is not going to win either the primary or general.
They should get behind Cain now, before someone like Romney wins the primary and loses the general. Cain is the only shoe in to beat Obama.
However, he has to get the nomination first.

Um, no, I linked to 2 of the polls that put Ron Paul and others up against Obama... so, if ANYONE ELSE wins the primary you are giving Obama another 4 years.

So, why do you want a dead horse to run against Obama???
 
Um, no, I linked to 2 of the polls that put Ron Paul and others up against Obama... so, if ANYONE ELSE wins the primary you are giving Obama another 4 years.

So, why do you want a dead horse to run against Obama???

Ron Paul won't win against Obama either.
 
I will admit I am hardly unbiased here. But I do think that Mitch Daniels has the best chance in the crowd presented. The big wild card currently is what Huckabee decides. If he comes on tonight and announces, the life get's interesting. If he comes on tonight and announces that he's not; then we are left with the same metrics, except that he is now free to endorse a candidate.

Romney is toast. Doubling down on the individual mandate in that speech was a disaster for him. The Obama White House putting out a statement thanking him for having a "smart" plan is going to be the equivalent of the Charlie Christ picture hugging the President. Romney's only hope is that several other candidates do very well, and he is able to capture a bare plurality. The vast majority of the Republican party oppose Obamacare and in particular the individual mandate. Given Romney's past history of "suddenly changing his mind" on critical issues (abortion, for example), he's not exactly going to be able to play off well that he Always Thought that Romneycare should be only limited to one state - particularly when he is on record saying things that sound very much the opposite.

Pawlenty would be a serious contender... if he could just get people and momentum behind him. A few excellent performances in widely-watched debates might get him some numbers, but whether they would be high enough to become anything approaching a consensus not-Romney candidate is rather questionable.

Huckabee hasn't been bringing donors online, hasn't got an organization set up, and is iffy on running. If he does run, he has an automatic base in our Fair Tax and Social Conservative constituencies; but this will be degraded by Herman Cain and Rick Santorum; neither of whom will be able to pose a real challenge to Huck, but both of whom will drain his support.

Palin is making money giving speeches, being on reality tv shows, and having fun playing Republican Kingmaker. She's not running.

Ron Paul has a small group of extremely devoted followers, a wider audience that has now moved closer to him.... and very little ability to turn the second into the first. He will play a positive role in the debate, keeping everyone focused on size-of-government and fiscal issues, but he doesn't have the ability to appeal to a wide enough section of the Republican Party to win.

Daniels biggest liability, like Pawlenty, is his lack of name recognition. However, he's spent the last couple of months lining up some impressive links that could go far to overcome that obstacle. Haley Barbour dropped out of the race AFTER building up what many observers thought was the best-organized multi-state campaign organization next to Romney's. Barbour and Daniels are good friends, and it is widely suspected that the first dropped out so the latter could run. Barbour's organization becomes Daniels organization. Everyone has been remarking how the usual big donors of the Republican Party are failing to fall in behind various candidates in the primary. The ones who commented have generally said that they are in a "wait and see" mode, and still wanting more people in the race. Now we have learned that Bush's old campaign staff have been quietly lining up all of his old big money lists to come out behind Daniels should he announce. A large-scale low-key advertisement campaign that synergises with Barbours organization to get out the word on Daniels accomplishments in office will go far to reducing his lack of name-recognition, and remain a powerful weapon as we head into primary season. Some think that Daniels weakness is that he isn't aggressive enough - this is Rush Limbaugh's position. No problem - Chris Christie is also doing everything but coming out and saying he would endorse a Daniels campaign - and there's no one more combative than Christie. The Lead Candidate becomes the picture of low-key competence and ability to turn a deficit into a surplus while Christie plays the part of smash-warrior. Walker, too, has been making signals that he would endorse Daniels, and bring to him the attention that Walker, as a Republican cause celebre, can.

Daniels biggest threat (should he choose to run, and I think he will) was Romney. Romney just shot himself in the face. His next biggest threat is Huckabee. We will see tonight.
 
I will admit I am hardly unbiased here. But I do think that Mitch Daniels has the best chance in the crowd presented.

I agree that Daniels is seriously underrated right now. He's got a good organization, elite support, and a lot more room for improvement (as compared to Romney) since his name recognition is not very high. But he's got a couple weaknesses. He's a bit boring, which may make it difficult to excite the average rank-and-file primary voters (even if conservative activists like him). The second liability, sadly, is his height. He's very short...and as superficial as that sounds, the historical evidence suggests that that is a much bigger liability in a presidential election than many of us would like to believe. Also, does anyone besides me think that Mitch Daniels looks like Vladimir Putin? :)

I'm not quite sure yet if Mitch Daniels will be a dark-horse candidate who can actually snag the nomination as people get to know him...or if he's the type of candidate who looks great on paper until people actually see/hear him.
 
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:D If Mitch Daniels is Vladamir Putin, then we can expect Romney to disappear for several weeks and then pop up - badly bruised - in Mexico, announcing that he's no longer interested in pursuing politics.

But I think that sadly you are right - he is short. Boring can be countered - the man campaigns off of the back of his Harley Davidson, and a Chris Christie fighter in his corner is enough action for anyone. But the height? :shrug: I hope that Americans this time around are looking for quiet confidence over pizaz, massive rallies, personality cults, and a complete failure to recognize that reality can't be solved with Really Pretty Speeches... but we shall have to see.
 
Who do you think will win the Republican nomination in 2012? (Not who you WANT to win.)

I want to know why Herman Cain was not ibcluded in this poll? What a racist thing to do.

I was in shock when Herman's name was not included then i looked at who posted the thread. A Liberal and then it hit me Liberals don't want a an intelligent Back Business man to go against the dumb[assed Obama.

Mr. Cain is a proven Business man with more experience in his little finger than Obama has in his whole body.

I would love to see Mr. Cain debate Obama on the economy, he'd make Obama look like the amateur he has shown himself to be.

To use the words of the kids today what's up with that?
 
I want to know why Herman Cain was not ibcluded in this poll?

Because there's only room for 10 choices (or 9 candidates + 1 "other") and I can't include them all? And because Cain was not one of the 9 most likely nominees on InTrade's list at the time I made the poll?

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What a racist thing to do.

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Mitt Romney can't win for a number of reasons. Among them are RomneyCare(his death blow), a flip-flopping past, and being a Mormon.

Once Huntsman jumps in he and Romney will be associated with each forever and it will prevent either from winning. The comparisons are so easy to make; both are millionaires, both are Mormons, both are moderate Republicans, and both have the classic politican look.

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Tim Pawlenty is a good guy but he seems a bit boring. He looks just like Chris Collinsworth of Sunday Night Football. He would be an okay choice but not my first.

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See the similarities?
 
Romney, their current best candidate, has had terrible luck lately with his comments about how America is not at war or his massive flip-flop on healthcare.
 
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