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Should Military Chaplains Be Allowed to Perform Same Sex Marriages?

Should Military Chaplains be allowed to perform Same Sex marriages?


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Why is the USA military allowed to have chaplins? Isn't that counter to the first amendment?

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They're actually required in order to maintain the 1st amendment.
 
They're actually required in order to maintain the 1st amendment.
OK. I don't understand that but whatever...

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No they can't. They are federal employees. There are all kind of rules that govern the behavior of the military, many of which restrict them beyond local law. I think you know that, this is no different. Further, what is "technically legal" rarely cuts it when speaking of the behavior of military members.

What are you talking about that they can't perform a legal wedding for a state? Why can't they? What rule is there against doing so? You can't say that DOMA prevents them because there is no language in DOMA that prevents a chaplain from presiding over a wedding ceremony for a same sex couple. DOMA only deals with the government not legally recognizing the marriage and other states not being forced to recognize SSMs from other states. However, the military wouldn't have to actually recognize a marriage presided over by a chaplain with DOMA still in place, but it would go at least a step further in making same sex couples feel less discriminated against by allowing them to have a military wedding, on base and/or officiated by a military chaplain. No laws or rules would be being broken once DADT is officially gone.
 
OK. I don't understand that but whatever...

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Well, if you ever drop the dismissive attitude and open yourself to learning, please let the world know and we'll be happy to inform :2wave:
 
Well, if you ever drop the dismissive attitude and open yourself to learning, please let the world know and we'll be happy to inform :2wave:
But I would only do that if I actually cared about the subject and.... well... i just don't. :shrug:

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Yes everywhere because the federal government shouldn't be telling people who and who they can't enter a private contract with.
 
What are you talking about that they can't perform a legal wedding for a state? Why can't they? What rule is there against doing so? You can't say that DOMA prevents them because there is no language in DOMA that prevents a chaplain from presiding over a wedding ceremony for a same sex couple. DOMA only deals with the government not legally recognizing the marriage and other states not being forced to recognize SSMs from other states. However, the military wouldn't have to actually recognize a marriage presided over by a chaplain with DOMA still in place, but it would go at least a step further in making same sex couples feel less discriminated against by allowing them to have a military wedding, on base and/or officiated by a military chaplain. No laws or rules would be being broken once DADT is officially gone.

Wow. Because he's a federal officer....he must always follow the rules a nd regulations of the dod and the federal government no matter where he is. Even a reservist should be able to understand this......

Can military members smoke pot in Alaska? Can we ride motorcycles without helmets in states that don't require them? Can we do steroids in Argentina where they are available over the counter?
 
Wow. Because he's a federal officer....he must always follow the rules a nd regulations of the dod and the federal government no matter where he is. Even a reservist should be able to understand this......

Can military members smoke pot in Alaska? Can we ride motorcycles without helmets in states that don't require them? Can we do steroids in Argentina where they are available over the counter?

Were you not listening? The Navy tried to change the rules and regulations so that chaplains whose religion recognized same sex marriage, could be free to conduct such ceremonies. Then a bunch of butt hurt GOP House twerps got together and started bitching that the Navy was violating DOMA, even though their true agenda was to force their religious beliefs down those chaplains throats.
 
But I would only do that if I actually cared about the subject and.... well... i just don't. :shrug:

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What subject are you trying to discuss here, then?
 
What subject are you trying to discuss here, then?
Time required for concrete to dry based on thickness, temperature, and humidity. :2wave:

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I was reminded that Bill Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, and that makes it against Federal Law for Obama to let the Navy violate this Law along with
Article 4 Section 4 of our Constitution Obama will be a prime target for Impeachment.

I have to say Clinton's impeachment for lying about playing in the closet was a cheap shot, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Monica Lewinsky,What politician wouldn't lie about it.

But the law is the law and a high crimes and misdemeanors is what this it's all about.

An impeachment would cause Obama's Liberal followers to have complete mental melt downs. I can imagine them calling it a lynching or worse a Crucifixion.
 
I was reminded that Bill Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, and that makes it against Federal Law for Obama to let the Navy violate this Law along with
Article 4 Section 4 of our Constitution Obama will be a prime target for Impeachment.

I have to say Clinton's impeachment for lying about playing in the closet was a cheap shot, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Monica Lewinsky,What politician wouldn't lie about it.

But the law is the law and a high crimes and misdemeanors is what this it's all about.

An impeachment would cause Obama's Liberal followers to have complete mental melt downs. I can imagine them calling it a lynching or worse a Crucifixion.

Well when you get around to prosecuting Bush (and Obama) for violating the bill of rights with the patriot act you might have a case there Skippy.

COMMUNISM! THE CONSTITUTION!

(when its convenient)
 
You can get legal steroids in Argentina?

Yes, in most South American countries, steroids that are controlled in the US are available over the counter.....at least they were when I was there last in the early 90's.
 
Well when you get around to prosecuting Bush (and Obama) for violating the bill of rights with the patriot act you might have a case there Skippy.

COMMUNISM! THE CONSTITUTION!

(when its convenient)

You'd kinda have to go after all of Congress on that, Jet.
 
Wow. Because he's a federal officer....he must always follow the rules a nd regulations of the dod and the federal government no matter where he is. Even a reservist should be able to understand this......

Can military members smoke pot in Alaska? Can we ride motorcycles without helmets in states that don't require them? Can we do steroids in Argentina where they are available over the counter?

And, again, there is no actual law, under the UCMJ or federal laws (once DADT is officially repealed completely), against either a chaplain presiding over a same sex wedding ceremony, nor from a person in the military marrying someone of the same sex. DOMA does not cover this. It may look wrong to some people, but there is no actual law against it as there are military rules and regulations against all the things that you mentioned, and they are in place for a good reason and are non-discriminatory rules/regulations.

A military chaplain performing a wedding ceremony, or even signing a state marriage license for a same sex couple in no way forces the government or military to violate DOMA because the federal government nor military will have to recognize the marriage just because it was performed by a military officer. He is simply signing a state legal document, which he is authorized to do in the state that he is stationed in.
 
Nope,never.

So if a Chaplain believed that SSM was okay with their particular religion, and two LGBT soldiers wanted to have a military weeding, why shouldn't he be able to preform this entirely religious ceremony? Why would you deny their first amendment rights?
 
And, again, there is no actual law, under the UCMJ or federal laws (once DADT is officially repealed completely), against either a chaplain presiding over a same sex wedding ceremony, nor from a person in the military marrying someone of the same sex. DOMA does not cover this. It may look wrong to some people, but there is no actual law against it as there are military rules and regulations against all the things that you mentioned, and they are in place for a good reason and are non-discriminatory rules/regulations.

A military chaplain performing a wedding ceremony, or even signing a state marriage license for a same sex couple in no way forces the government or military to violate DOMA because the federal government nor military will have to recognize the marriage just because it was performed by a military officer. He is simply signing a state legal document, which he is authorized to do in the state that he is stationed in.

Because a military officer can not violate federal law. DOMA is a federal law, and bans SSM. That's the answer. If DOMA is repealed, it's fair game.
 
Because a military officer can not violate federal law. DOMA is a federal law, and bans SSM. That's the answer. If DOMA is repealed, it's fair game.

The military chaplain though is not violating any federal law by performing a ceremony and signing off for that ceremony on a state legal document. There is nothing in DOMA that prevents any federal officer from performing a same sex wedding nor signing a state marriage license for a same sex couples.

If can point me to the exact wording of DOMA which would prohibits them, then do it.
 
The military chaplain though is not violating any federal law by performing a ceremony and signing off for that ceremony on a state legal document. There is nothing in DOMA that prevents any federal officer from performing a same sex wedding nor signing a state marriage license for a same sex couples.

If can point me to the exact wording of DOMA which would prohibits them, then do it.

Yes there is. You are wrong.

DOMA defines marriage to be between one man and one woman. A federal officer (military officer) officiating a ceremony that violates that definition is violating DOMA. What the states laws are regarding SSM is absolutely immaterial for a military chaplain.
 
Yes, in most South American countries, steroids that are controlled in the US are available over the counter.....at least they were when I was there last in the early 90's.

Hmm. Give me a minute. I'll be right back...
 
Yes there is. You are wrong.

DOMA defines marriage to be between one man and one woman. A federal officer (military officer) officiating a ceremony that violates that definition is violating DOMA. What the states laws are regarding SSM is absolutely immaterial for a military chaplain.

As I have said before, show me how from the exact wording of DOMA and with the laws/rules that a military chaplain faces when performing a wedding for any state, no matter what the sexes are of those involved in the wedding ceremony. Showing how a military chaplain is different using the laws is the way to prove me wrong. Just insisting that you are right doesn't cut it. I want to see why a military chaplain signing a state marriage license for someone is violating some rule or law.
 
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