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Do you agree with the pilot of Atlantic Southeast Airlines who removed two imams?

Do you agree with the pilot of Atlantic Southeast Airlines

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 18.5%

  • No

    Votes: 18 66.7%

  • I dunno

    Votes: 4 14.8%
  • Total voters
    27
rocket88 said:
Christianity is still seeking revenge for the killing of Jesus. Thus, anti-semitism.
We should not live in fear. The whole point of terrorism is to make you so afraid of the violence that you'll change your lives to avoid it at all costs. Living in fear = victory for bin Laden.
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Maybe individual Christians, but they are going against their own belief.
 
TurtleDude said:
the difference is that busses were not getting blown up by blacks

they were being blown up by racist whites who didn't like the freedom riders

a bus driver throwing a black off a bus was based on the IRRATIONAL motivation of RACISM

the pilot's action is based on a logical fear of the fact that almost every act of terrorism involving airlines in the last decade was perpetrated by Muslim Males or those appearing toe be muslim males
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Yes, because every Muslim terrorist who has a Western target wants to look very conspicuous, and dress in colorful Islamic garb to divert attention and suspicion away from himself :roll:
 
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I don't blame the pilot, and he should not be disciplined.

If he was uncomfortable PC can go down the toilet.
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
I don't blame the pilot, and he should not be disciplined.

If he was uncomfortable PC can go down the toilet.
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Right, if I was sitting next to a skinhead on a plane, and I felt "uncomfortable," I would be justified in asking the captain and the crew to kick him off the plane as well.
 
Anyone who watches Criminal Minds knows that behavioral profiling > "religious" profiling.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Anyone who watches Criminal Minds knows that behavioral profiling > "religious" profiling.
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Lets try religious profiling, which looks more like a Muslim terrorist:

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StillBallin75 said:
Right, if I was sitting next to a skinhead on a plane, and I felt "uncomfortable," I would be justified in asking the captain and the crew to kick him off the plane as well.
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You could ask him

Probably wouldn't happen

If I were the pilot I wouldn't kick him off but I respect this guys decision. What if his being uncomfortable prevents him from flying safely/
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
You could ask him

Probably wouldn't happen

If I were the pilot I wouldn't kick him off but I respect this guys decision. What if his being uncomfortable prevents him from flying safely/
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When pilots rely pretty much on autopilot these days? Come on buddy they ain't flying fighter jets, and most commercial pilots are Air Force veteans who function well (or at least should function well) under stress.
 
StillBallin75 said:
When pilots rely pretty much on autopilot these days? Come on buddy they ain't flying fighter jets, and most commercial pilots are Air Force veteans who function well (or at least should function well) under stress.
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Good point
 
StillBallin75 said:
Right, if I was sitting next to a skinhead on a plane, and I felt "uncomfortable," I would be justified in asking the captain and the crew to kick him off the plane as well.
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I'm not quite sure if you're being sarcastic or not...

But would the captain and crew be justified in acquiesing to your request? Constitutionally, I think I agree with you. Religious discrimination is not protected when it comes to one's right to fly. A restaurant is entitled to say, "No shoes-no shirt-no service." Can an airline have a dress code? A restaurant can certainly refuse to serve blacks -- as they could refuse to serve whites, if they chose.

What's the answer? Dress codes? Maybe so. The whole circumstance irritates me because Muslims, I believe, should show more deference to even the irrational fears of their American friends. This is not a "Rosa Parks Moment." Nobody was blowing up busses.
 
TurtleDude said:
the pilot's action is based on a logical fear of the fact that almost every act of terrorism involving airlines in the last decade was perpetrated by Muslim Males or those appearing toe be muslim males
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What about his "logical" fear of crashing? Isn't he more likely to crash than be a victim of terrorism?
Whether or not a fear is "logical" doesn't seem as important as if action is logical.
It may be "logical" to fear a car crash. Car crashes happen for American with greater frequency than either plane crashes or plane related terrorism. Does that mean that the "logical" fear justifies a "logical" avoidance of using automobiles?
 
MaggieD said:
A restaurant can certainly refuse to serve blacks -- as they could refuse to serve whites, if they chose.
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Yes, they can, but not on the basis of the color of their skin, iirc. It can be for dress, whether or not they have tatoos, the cut of their hair, etc. All sorts of reasons, but not on the basis of race.
 
rocket88 said:
The death of Osama was a pretty good moment for humanity too. Doesn't change the fact that a lot of anti-semitism over the years was based on "they killed Jesus" (which isn't even true, the Romans killed Jesus, not the Jews).



Care to back this statement up? Specifically, care to prove that the people in question were a part of any such group?
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I don't have to. The fact that these men are out there probably weighed on the pilots mind. What he can't do is take off and knowing that someone may want to cause problems...harmless as they may be.

Being a pilot is nothing more than risk management. Anything that reduces the margins of safety must be resolved prior to departure if at all possible. The passengers said these Imams were acting odd and that was enough for the pilot. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the passengers.
 
MaggieD said:
I'm not quite sure if you're being sarcastic or not...

But would the captain and crew be justified in acquiesing to your request? Constitutionally, I think I agree with you. Religious discrimination is not protected when it comes to one's right to fly. A restaurant is entitled to say, "No shoes-no shirt-no service." Can an airline have a dress code? A restaurant can certainly refuse to serve blacks -- as they could refuse to serve whites, if they chose.

What's the answer? Dress codes? Maybe so. The whole circumstance irritates me because Muslims, I believe, should show more deference to even the irrational fears of their American friends. This is not a "Rosa Parks Moment." Nobody was blowing up busses.
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Sorry, Maggie, some of the comments in this thread really bring the sarcasm out of me.

The imams had already paid for their ticket. I'm not sure if kicking them off is constitutional or not, but they had paid for the service, they followed all the rules, and they passed security. The only reason they were kicked off the plane was because the way they looked and dressed made some people uncomfortable. If the airline has a dress code, they should make it publicly available on their website, along with all the other rules about how early you should get to the airport and what you can or can't bring on the plane.
 
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MaggieD said:
I'm not quite sure if you're being sarcastic or not...

But would the captain and crew be justified in acquiesing to your request? Constitutionally, I think I agree with you. Religious discrimination is not protected when it comes to one's right to fly. A restaurant is entitled to say, "No shoes-no shirt-no service." Can an airline have a dress code? A restaurant can certainly refuse to serve blacks -- as they could refuse to serve whites, if they chose.

What's the answer? Dress codes? Maybe so. The whole circumstance irritates me because Muslims, I believe, should show more deference to even the irrational fears of their American friends. This is not a "Rosa Parks Moment." Nobody was blowing up busses.
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There is no fundamental right to fly, but there is a fundamental right to your religion, which means in order for some one to actively discriminate against a religion in policy there has to be an overriding benefit to society for them to do so.

"NO shirt-no shos-no service" is entirely different, since it does not select based on religion, and it does have a strong value to society due to hygiene. Your argument fails on both constitutional and logical grounds.
 
I want to make a correction to the first paragraph in the post above: There is a fundamental right to religion, so governmental regulations cannot discriminate based on religion based on the constitution. Title II of the civil rights act of 1964 may(I am not sure yet) apply however, but this is legislative and not constitutional.
 
Redress said:
There is no fundamental right to fly, but there is a fundamental right to your religion, which means in order for some one to actively discriminate against a religion in policy there has to be an overriding benefit to society for them to do so.

"NO shirt-no shoes-no service" is entirely different, since it does not select based on religion, and it does have a strong value to society due to hygiene. Your argument fails on both constitutional and logical grounds.
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Please link me to something that says dress codes are unconstitutional. As to hygiene, I'd dare say someone's bare feet are more hygenic that the shoes he walked through **** with.
 
What are imams? Is that the new word for "Muslim"?
 
MaggieD said:
Please link me to something that says dress codes are unconstitutional. As to hygiene, I'd dare say someone's bare feet are more hygenic that the shoes he walked through **** with.
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Strict dress codes are unconstitutional. Hence why you don't need a uniform to fly an airplane or drive a car or go to public school or walk into a business or anything else.
 
Okay, after reading the article, I do not agree with the pilot's decision.
 
MaggieD said:
Please link me to something that says dress codes are unconstitutional. As to hygiene, I'd dare say someone's bare feet are more hygenic that the shoes he walked through **** with.
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I never said dress codes are unconstitutional, nice straw man however. I dare say that bare feet in a store are less hygienic than shoes in most situations. You are grasping at straws with that comment.
 
Tyrannosaur said:
Strict dress codes are unconstitutional. Hence why you don't need a uniform to fly an airplane or drive a car or go to public school or walk into a business or anything else.
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Send a memo to your local Catholic school. Edit: Oh, and all the United Airlines pilots you know. Oh! And.....

Redress said:
I never said dress codes are unconstitutional, nice straw man however. I dare say that bare feet in a store are less hygienic than shoes in most situations. You are grasping at straws with that comment.
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A dress code is what I suggested. What are you complaining about then?
 
Alfons said:
It is not new that more and more passengers worldwide refuse to fly with Muslims because are afraid a terror attack or hijacking of airplane. Unfortunately lefts are against more strictly control of suspicious Muslims, therefore a fly together with two imams could be like a Russian Roulette. Why while any drunk or passenger may be restricted to entry the board, Teachers of a very "peaceful" Religion may fly without any prohibition.

Nobody know what is in head of this "teachers". The question is do you agree with pilot or not.If not, please write honestly would you personally not afraid if you must to fly with this two imams?Do not forget that Islam is seeking revenge for killed Bin Laden.


The story:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...olina _after_pilot_refused_to_fly_with_.html

Some additional information about very peaceful matter of Islam.

Quotes from the Qur'an

Islam Watch - Links to other websites

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well, we don't know what's in the head of a psychotic, either. are you going to stop people from flying based on their dress? i agree that the pilot can refuse to fly, just as i agree that the airline could fire him for it. would i have an uneasy feeling flying with dressed imams? yes. would it stop me from flying? no, because i won't live in that kind of fear.
 
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