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Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

Does Herman Cain get your vote for President in 2012?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 31.3%

  • No

    Votes: 11 34.4%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 10 31.3%

  • Who?

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Total voters
    32
xpiher said:
I would say its not even a state issue. However, what happens when 1 state allows it and the other doesn't?
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Abortion, go to another state if you absolutely insist on an abortion.
Gay marriage, figure it out for yourself I guess. I imagine all states will eventually allow gay marriage or civil unions that allow for all the benefits of marriage. It doesn't look like it's getting done any faster at the federal level.
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
People that don't have those particular religious hangups are more libertarian than conservative.

Another distinguishing trait of conservatives is their desire to use government force to compel conformance to their vision of social norms. Conservatives oppose drug-freedoms, for example. They typically oppose same-sex marriages, for another.
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I have some libertarian views. That doesn't make me libertarian. I like John Stossle and agree with him a lot. However,
I am for secure borders and I support a strong military and believe war is sometimes necessary. I also am not against all foreign aid. I am ok with marijuana being legalized if that's what a state wants. I'm not so sure about hard drugs. I fear that would cause a lot more addictions.
I won't flip out if doma is overturned, but I will feel a bit sad. I do believe the definition of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. However it's just a word and I am all for gay couples having all the benefits of marriage through a civil union anyway. I believe life begins at conception and abortion is akin to murder.
 
Hatuey said:
Let's see...... can any of you guys name a single law he's ever helped pass? What's his foreign policy experience? What legislation has he ever supported? Maybe you can point us to a single bill he's ever sponsored? His political resume is.... thin.
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Are you saying we are seeing a bush replay?
 
Herman Cain was easily my favorite in the debate, but I do not yet know enough about him to say that I would vote for him. We will see how he does in the primary campaign.

His pro-life views set my teeth on edge, but he clearly appears to have his priorities in order concerning foreign policy and the economy and, like any good businessman, he is more concerned with results than with ideology.
 
danarhea said:
That he is. Here he is with Neil Cavuto, after kicking the crap out of Tim Pawlenty in the Republican Presidential Debate. Pawlenty shouldn't have shown up. Maybe the other major candidates knew something he didn't.

So answer the poll.
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I never heard of the man. I would have to find out what his beliefs are and what he voted for or against as an elected official because politicians will claim to be one thing but vote for what contradicts what they claim to be.Like a politician who says they are catholic but vote for pro-abortion laws; claims they are a patriotic conservative but tries to push for amnesty(John McCain), says they are pro-2nd amendment but voted for infringements on the 2nd amendment, says they are anti-pro-life/antiabortion but appoints a pro-abortion judge to the state supreme court(Sara Palin), or Says they care about the American worker but voted for pro-outsourcing. So I do not know if I would vote for Cain.
 
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Where is the right wing champions? Or the left's? Talk about union control, look at party control!! Pull up Alan Keyes, a true statesman and conservative.
 
shintao said:
Where is the right wing champions? Or the left's? Talk about union control, look at party control!! Pull up Alan Keyes, a true statesman and conservative.
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Keyes criticizes carpet baggers while being a carpet bagger himself and is a birther-tard.


Carpetbagger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In modern usage in the U.S., the term is sometimes used derisively to refer to a politician who runs for public office in an area where he or she does not have deep community ties, or has lived only for a short time.
 
Goshin said:
Because there hasn't been an actual conservative in the White House for 22 years. Neither of the Bushes were conservative... they were both big-gov centrists. Center-right at best.
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Ah, the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. On what issues is Herman Cain different from President Bush that he is considered an "actual" conservative?

And President Bush was at best center-right? With that standard, then I guess at best President Obama is a centrist, maybe just a little to the left.
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
Of course you would. That's why real Americans don't like that two-faced trash from Taxachusetts. The LEFT likes him.
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So people on the left aren't "real" Americans? :lol:

And no I don't really like Romney, he really put me off with his dealing with the Massachusetts SSM deal. But atleast he isn't crazy.
 
Spaceman_Spiff said:
Ah, the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. On what issues is Herman Cain different from President Bush that he is considered an "actual" conservative?

And President Bush was at best center-right? With that standard, then I guess at best President Obama is a centrist, maybe just a little to the left.
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Ah, the fallacy of calling facts you disagree with a fallacy. :lamo

Got nothing to do with Scotsmen, boyo. You can call a tail a leg; that does not make it so, and you still cannot walk on it.

Bush the Elder was widely considered a centrist by conservatives, even before he was Prez.
I knew Bush the Dubyer was not much of a conservative before he even got the nomination; his own positions made that quite clear. He favored compromise on many issues near and dear to the hearts of actual conservatives. His position statements revealed that he was OK with a number of big-gov programs, as well as favoring a certain level of gun control such as the AWB. If the House hadn't killed the AWB he would have been perfectly happy to renew it.

If you don't mind too very much, leave defining "what is an actual conservative" to the actual conservatives, please. The Left called Dubyer "right wing" out of habit, and perhaps in an effort to re-define what the word meant as a psychological ploy. I always LMAO when I heard that... I NEVER thought Dubyer was right-wing. :lamo
 
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xpiher said:
A real conservative is a libertarian. What you purpose is nothing more than the government telling me I can't do something. A person forcing biblical values on people is just as bad as dems forcing everyone to have health care.
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I agree with this. However, we obviously have to have laws against taking a life, taking what's not yours and harming someone else.
 
Your Star said:
So people on the left aren't "real" Americans? :lol:

And no I don't really like Romney, he really put me off with his dealing with the Massachusetts SSM deal. But atleast he isn't crazy.
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You are "very liberal" and you would vote for Romney over Obama?
 
I can understand why interest in Cain his increased, but the more people learn, the less they will like him.

he supported the bailouts and tarp, and still does, so he is off my list.
 
The "more they learn"? I don't think that's necessary. Allow me to demonstrate:

1. In his cabinet, he would discriminate based on religion.
Do you need 2. ?

I think most people do not need 2.

I've heard the guy on the radio, good stuff. But I don't see how he gets around 1... end of campaign.



2. The reason.
 
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This will be like most elections for me. I don't know who I'll be voting for but I do know for whom I won't be voting.
 
Mellie said:
You are "very liberal" and you would vote for Romney over Obama?
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No I wouldn't. But out of all the republican hopefuls I think he would make the best president.

The only thing that really concerns me is his position on LGBT issues.
 
ARealConservative said:
I can understand why interest in Cain his increased, but the more people learn, the less they will like him.

he supported the bailouts and tarp, and still does, so he is off my list.
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Where'd you get that info?
 
shintao said:
Where is the right wing champions? Or the left's? Talk about union control, look at party control!! Pull up Alan Keyes, a true statesman and conservative.
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Alan Keyes voided his conservative and statesman's credentials when he decided to complain that imaginary racism was behind his failings in the polls. Then, given that he couldn't be a nobody for a senate seat in Illinois, and his career was over. Godd riddance, the nation doesn't need whiners.
 
jamesrage said:
Keyes criticizes carpet baggers while being a carpet bagger himself and is a birther-tard.


Carpetbagger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In modern usage in the U.S., the term is sometimes used derisively to refer to a politician who runs for public office in an area where he or she does not have deep community ties, or has lived only for a short time.
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Yes. Exactly. Like a child raised in Indonesia aspiring to be President of the United States.

Funny thing about carpet baggers. They NEVER serve the interests of their constituencies, they serve their own. Look at O_ama and the damage he's done to the United States, look at Hillary and her failures to served the interests of New York, to cite two examples.
 
Spaceman_Spiff said:
Ah, the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. On what issues is Herman Cain different from President Bush that he is considered an "actual" conservative?

And President Bush was at best center-right? With that standard, then I guess at best President Obama is a centrist, maybe just a little to the left.
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The Mayor does not yet know enough about Cain to answer the question asked.

Bush revealed himself as a closet liberal before the election of 2000, when he voiced the nonsense that he was "compassionate" conservative. Conservatism, by it's nature, is compassionate. Only a liberal-in-hiding would use the word "compassionate" as code for govenment spending, as he did. GW Bush's scam of government spending on "faith based charities" is another liberalism. Then there was his administration. His Pill Plan for Seniors, his blunt insistence on amnesty for the millions upon millions of criminals who've invaded the United States. He signed the PATRIOT Act, almost all provisions of which had been introduced by Democrats under Clinton (which is how such a massive piece of legislation could be put together so quickly, it was already written). His signature on the Rape The First Amendment Bill presented by McCain (another liberal) and Feingold (a liberal) in the guise of "campaign finance reform", as if the Federal government has the authority to dictate how people should be allowed to use their money to support the candidates they choose. He allowed the drilling bans impose by executive fiat by his daddy to stand, until the last six months of his tenure.

Outside of cutting taxes, (stupidly, as a temporary measure) very little Bush did was pro-American and "conservative".
 
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