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Cain: 'American People Are Anxious for Solutions'

Does Herman Cain get your vote for President in 2012?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 31.3%
  • No

    Votes: 11 34.4%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 10 31.3%
  • Who?

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Total voters
    32
I didn't see the debate, but I wasn't impressed with his highest mark during the debate. He said something like "Government isn't the solution, it's the problem. The government has never created a job. The government needs to get out of the free market, and let businesses create jobs."

Then he said something like... and the government shouldn't tell businesses where to build a factory.

I have heard a lot of republicans say the stuff he said. If that's his highest moment in the debate, I am kind of shocked. He didn't say anything new or groundbreaking. That was nothing but talking points. I didn't hear a policy proposal or a solution to anything.

I also disagree with him that company's should be allowed to build factories where ever they want, no, they shouldn't be allowed to build factories in some places. They shouldn't be allowed to build factories near nature reserves and natural parks, or in communities and destroy that community's natural resources with pollution.. Call me a hippie or whatever, I don't give a ****. But my sister is a lawyer and she's told me about companies polluting communities and giving the people cancer, and then playing stupid about the health risks they exposed innocent people and families to. That isn't right. Cain is probably an unlikely candidate to have that ever happen to him though, because when politicians pretend like they don't care about the safety of the others, they still care about themselves. I can't believe people clapped when he said that, what a bunch a suckers.

How could someone get it so wrong?
you completely mis-quoted and over-exaggerated the viewpoints :roll:

he didnt say he wanted businesses to just build factories just anywhere! or did he say government never created a job. He also didnt say the government should get out of the free market, but said there is currently "too much government intervention" instead of just the right amount.

Liberals are trying way to hard.. you think they would be better at argueing against Cain, but to his credit he just speaks the facts... hard to debate against the facts :mrgreen:
 
Nah.. but Cain could appoint her to a job in energy. I bet they'd work together real well. I'm still hoping West will give in and run or at least accept the VP. There's serious going ons to draft him. Who knows, stranger things have happened.

Palin doesn't have any creditably for Energy Sectary. "Drill Baby Drill" isn't sustainable. You do know that right? All it does is prolong the inevitable, while depleting emergency reserves.

Oh and Palin and Bachumann aren't real conservatives. Cain, maybe. But the only real conservative I've seen with a high profile is Ron Paul.
 
I also disagree with him that company's should be allowed to build factories where ever they want, no, they shouldn't be allowed to build factories in some places. They shouldn't be allowed to build factories near nature reserves and natural parks, or in communities and destroy that community's natural resources with pollution.

Is THE ENTIRE STATE of South Carolina a "national park"?

Then try to state a valid argument opposing Boing's plan to bring jobs to South Carolina.
 
That's what all those racist Republicans say about Obama...

No, they just ask to see his birth certificate. That issue was only fueled by racist sentiments. If Obama was white, it wouldn't have ever came up.
 
I know all about Cain, I used to listen to his radio show every week for years. I'm still not impressed.

:lamo Well, I would hope not!
I'd be worried if liberals liked him.
 
:lamo Well, I would hope not!
I'd be worried if liberals liked him.

I liked him, whats my political affiliation. Should you be worried?

Whatever it is, i like it.

Statist = government control. Social conservatice = the bible is the best policy. Statist Social conservative = fu*k your civil liberties. I assume both are anti-Union in the sense they think Unions shouldn't exist. Well, that would go against the founding fathers thinking.
 
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Palin doesn't have any creditably for Energy Sectary. "Drill Baby Drill" isn't sustainable. You do know that right? All it does is prolong the inevitable, while depleting emergency reserves.

Oh and Palin and Bachumann aren't real conservatives. Cain, maybe. But the only real conservative I've seen with a high profile is Ron Paul.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on the definition of what a conservative is.
 
I guess we'll just have to disagree on the definition of what a conservative is.

A real conservative is a libertarian. What you purpose is nothing more than the government telling me I can't do something. A person forcing biblical values on people is just as bad as dems forcing everyone to have health care.
 
With regards to Herman Cain, I do not see what is so impressive about him. It seems that all he does is repeat the standard conservative talking points of the last 30 years, while offering no actual new ideas. Maybe one of his fans can help me out with that.

Sure.

Since the new ideas never work...ie, they never do what they're advertised to do, but perhaps other goals are in play here, then the old ideas, since there was nothing wrong with them, are valid.

Letting people keep their own money. What a quaint idea. The new idea is to grab everything and run. That's been working well, hasn't it?

Smaller government. How quaint, doing something the Founding Fathers wanted. The new idea of never having the people do for themselves what the government can do at ten times the cost has been working well to keep politicians employed.

Heck, even his idea of de-criminalizing heroin has been around for a long time, too.

He said not one thing to disagree with, unlike that Paul guy.
 
Sure.

Since the new ideas never work...ie, they never do what they're advertised to do, but perhaps other goals are in play here, then the old ideas, since there was nothing wrong with them, are valid.

Letting people keep their own money. What a quaint idea. The new idea is to grab everything and run. That's been working well, hasn't it?

Smaller government. How quaint, doing something the Founding Fathers wanted. The new idea of never having the people do for themselves what the government can do at ten times the cost has been working well to keep politicians employed.

Heck, even his idea of de-criminalizing heroin has been around for a long time, too.

He said not one thing to disagree with, unlike that Paul guy.

Can you be more clear in what you are getting at?
 
A real conservative is a libertarian. What you purpose is nothing more than the government telling me I can't do something.

No, that's wrong.

A real conservative has a distinct religious CHRISTIAN component to their political beliefs. They use that, instead of reason, as the basis of their political ideology.

Ask a real libertarian where rights come from, and you'll get a dissertation on how "rights" are a concept in defining the acceptable parameters of interpersonal relations and what limits government should have in them.

A real conservative says "rights come from God" and that's the end of that.

A liberal/socialist/fascist/communist/Democrat/statist says a man's rights exist only insofar as they serve the good of the state.
 
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I liked him, whats my political affiliation. Should you be worried?



Statist = government control. Social conservatice = the bible is the best policy. Statist Social conservative = fu*k your civil liberties. I assume both are anti-Union in the sense they think Unions shouldn't exist. Well, that would go against the founding fathers thinking.

Your affiliation says libertarian. Not liberal. I'd be surprised if liberals would like much of anything Cain has to say. Not so with libertarians.

Sorry, I don't agree that Bachmann, Palin or Cain fit that discription. They are simply strong conservatives who believe in upholding the constitution. They sure don't believe in government control. Palin's husband is a union guy, I believe.
 
Can you be more clear in what you are getting at?

Yes.

It's certainly possible for the Mayor to expend endless volumes on the Dick and Jane level to allow others to conceptualize the basic truth that government is a tool, like Skynet.
 
No, that's wrong.

I'm of the belief that "real conservatives" aren't american conservatives because they don't follow what the founders said they should and force religion down people's throats via the law.


Your affiliation says libertarian. Not liberal. I'd be surprised if liberals would like much of anything Cain has to say. Not so with libertarians.

Sorry, I don't agree that Bachmann, Palin or Cain fit that discription. They are simply strong conservatives who believe in upholding the constitution. They sure don't believe in government control. Palin's husband is a union guy, I believe.

Sure they do, they believe America should be governed, at least somewhat, biblically. Gay marriage anyone
 
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Sure.

Since the new ideas never work...ie, they never do what they're advertised to do, but perhaps other goals are in play here, then the old ideas, since there was nothing wrong with them, are valid.

Letting people keep their own money. What a quaint idea. The new idea is to grab everything and run. That's been working well, hasn't it?

Smaller government. How quaint, doing something the Founding Fathers wanted. The new idea of never having the people do for themselves what the government can do at ten times the cost has been working well to keep politicians employed.

Heck, even his idea of de-criminalizing heroin has been around for a long time, too. He said not one thing to disagree with, unlike that Paul guy.

Ummm..I don't think Cain weighed in on the heroin, did he? I think that was Gary Johnson, the other libertarian.
 
Ummm..I don't think Cain weighed in on the heroin, did he? I think that was Gary Johnson, the other libertarian.

Ummm.....that's possible. hmm....but then again, the audience cheered heroin...all those candidates look alike, anyway.
 
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No, that's wrong.

A real conservative has a distinct religious CHRISTIAN component to their political beliefs. They use that, instead of reason, as the basis of their political ideology.

Ask a real libertarian where rights come from, and you'll get a dissertation on how "rights" are a concept in defining the acceptable parameters of interpersonal relations and what limits government should have in them.

A real conservative says "rights come from God" and that's the end of that.

A liberal/socialist/fascist/communist/Democrat/statist says a man's rights exist only insofar as they serve the good of the state.

If that's true than there are very few conservatives, including myself. Who says you have to be a christian and read the bible to be a real conservative? Sure, a lot of conservatives are christian, but it's not a requirement.
:boohoo:
 
I'm of the belief that "real conservatives" aren't american conservatives because they don't follow what the founders said they should and force religion down people's throats via the law.




Sure they do, they believe America should be governed, at least somewhat, biblically. Gay marriage anyone

Gay marriage and abortions should be left up to the states. Federal Governments has no business in such things.
 
Gay marriage and abortions should be left up to the states. Federal Governments has no business in such things.

I would say its not even a state issue. However, what happens when 1 state allows it and the other doesn't?
 
If that's true than there are very few conservatives, including myself. Who says you have to be a christian and read the bible to be a real conservative? Sure, a lot of conservatives are christian, but it's not a requirement.
:boohoo:

People that don't have those particular religious hangups are more libertarian than conservative.

Another distinguishing trait of conservatives is their desire to use government force to compel conformance to their vision of social norms. Conservatives oppose drug-freedoms, for example. They typically oppose same-sex marriages, for another.
 
I would say its not even a state issue. However, what happens when 1 state allows it and the other doesn't?

Irrelevant on the abortion issue.

The Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution, however, makes same sex marriage a national issue. A marriage in Connecticut is recognized as a marriage in California. A state authoriziing same-sex marriages compels all other states to accept that as equally valid as heterosexual marriages. The DOMA was a lame attempt to bypass the Full Faith etc, and when a case challenging that finally gets to the Supreme Court, DOMA is going away.

So-called conservatives are going to freak!
 
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