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Should Obama's Admin Apologize to Native Americans for Using "Geronimo" codeword?

Should Obama's Admin Apologize to Native Americans for Using "Geronimo" codeword?

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No. To be frank I think native americans are ridiculous. We spend billions every year on their reservations so they can pretend Columbus never came. The whole system needs to be shut down and they need to live amongst us as normal people. There is absolutely no justification for blowing billions a year so they can live a separate life. The trail of tears was a deplorable action by our government, but it doesn't mean we need to build them separate living space and let them not obey our laws. Just close them down and let them live amongst everyone else. They can still live like they use to if they really want to, they can by a house and live in a wigwam in the backyard. I know my lean says "liberal" and this is probably the most non liberal thing I've ever said, but it's just plain stupid.
 
cmon enough with this im offended over everything crap...the military uses masculine names they respect...indians should be proud they chose one of their Heroic chiefs as the operational code name, instead of whining its offensive.
 
ecofarm said:
Last I heard, the code name was for OBL.


I've only seen it used in two military jumps, exiting the training tower at Benning. The first time the guy did it, the instructors got pissed - and then he did it again. It was outrageous and certainly not condoned by our instructors.


If Geronimo is used in an inspiring sense, then it is ok. Just as Florida State can use the Seminole as its mascot - because it is a positive, an inspiration; however, if Florida State called their opponents 'Seminoles' there'd be a problem.

I don't have a problem with the use of the name Geronimo in military or other settings; I do have a problem with how it was used in this particular event. Generalizing is not going to make it any better, neither will the ensuing obfuscation.
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and whining about a stupid code name is well, stupid.
 
Gargantuan said:
No. To be frank I think native americans are ridiculous.
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Well.

lpast said:
indians should be proud they chose one of their Heroic chiefs as the operational code name, instead of whining its offensive.
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It was not the code name for the operation, that was Neptune Spear. It was the code name for freakin' OBL.
 
X Factor said:
Have you all heard of the controversy surrounding the use of the name Geronimo for the successful military operation that killed Osama bin Laden?



Bin Laden, Geronimo link angers Native Americans - Yahoo! News

Do you agree? Is an apology in order?

(I admit, I'm especially curious what the liberals here think. :mrgreen:)
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Oh, hell no, Obama should not apologize. In fact, it was a brilliant codeword given that back in the day Geronimo was America's #1 most wanted, and we chased him for ten years before we caught him... just like Osama. Ridiculous b.s. to demand an apology, and an attention wh*re tactic to put himself in the spotlight.
 
DiAnna said:
Oh, hell no, Obama should not apologize. In fact, it was a brilliant codeword given that back in the day Geronimo was America's #1 most wanted, and we chased him for ten years before we caught him... just like Osama. Ridiculous b.s. to demand an apology, and an attention wh*re tactic to put himself in the spotlight.
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I don't think you need to censor "whore". You'll know if I'm wrong about that.
 
X Factor said:
Have you all heard of the controversy surrounding the use of the name Geronimo for the successful military operation that killed Osama bin Laden?



Bin Laden, Geronimo link angers Native Americans - Yahoo! News

Do you agree? Is an apology in order?

(I admit, I'm especially curious what the liberals here think. :mrgreen:)
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Frack no.

Let's face it, the way things are today SOMEONE would have been offended by ANY code word used to label Osama bin' Hidin'.
 
Oh good grief :doh
 
ecofarm said:
Then what does Geronimo mean in "Geronimo EKIA"?


Yes, I know about ww2. My story is still funny.
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Geronimo meant honor at doing a very risky thing. Or maybe not. It is the name for the whole mission itself.
 
ecofarm said:
There's a difference between using Geronimo as an inspiration and calling OBL Geronimo. In the mission transmission, what does "Geronimo" mean?
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Dude: I already told you that it was not OBL! He was the letter E in mission Geronimo -E KIA. The E stands for enemy and his/UBL codename was jackpot.
 
According to what I've read and heard, the SEAL team went in knowing there was only a 60%-80% bin Laden was there. The code word to announce that bin Laden was indeed there was "Geronimo". The uncoded message meant "bin Laden's presence verified. He was killed in action." As I've said, the code word to verify bin Laden's presence was brilliant, IMHO. :)
 
Well, hell, you gotta call him something in code-speak. Why not a respected name, to throw the eavesdroppers off?

To be fair, tho, I would have objected if they had called him "Custer." I would have gone with my own Indian name: Walks Like a Woman.
 
VanceMack said:
Of course. The direct and short response should be "oops...yeah...you are right...I can see where some people would be upset about that and we probably didnt think that one out real well...my bad...sorry."

WTF...why is this stuff so hard????
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And anyone that thinks using Geronimos name in such a important mission is BAD should live seperatly from the US Gov't!!! oh........ wait. :roll:
 
The Giant Noodle said:
And anyone that thinks using Geronimos name in such a important mission is BAD should live seperatly from the US Gov't!!! oh........ wait. :roll:
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WTF would YOU know...YOU think they are talking about dot not feather Indians! ;)

My point is that I can see why some would be upset and I dont think we have to go through this conniption fits over simple oversights. Obviously some folk are offended...is it REALLY such a bad thing to validate their expressed feelings and move forward?
 
VanceMack said:
WTF would YOU know...YOU think they are talking about dot not feather Indians! ;)
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Ohhhhh, I just now got Noodle's post about outsourcing.:mrgreen:
 
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X Factor said:
Ohhhhh, I just now got Noodle's post about outsourcing.:mrgreen:
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I cant believe people thought he seriously didnt know... :shock:
 
Let's see....

....Geronimo is a proper noun, and hence not likely to turn up on the normal radio traffic from an capture/execution mission.

....Geronimo has four syllables, making it more likely to be heard over radio static or the noise of conflict on scene.

....Geronimo has a distinct sound unlike any other in the language.

All in all, as a code word to convey a single distinct concept, it's admirable, and finally, no one not part of the mission listening to the communications won't know what it means.

Finally, didn't the mission planners have more important things to be thining about?

What's not to like?
 
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X Factor said:
Have you all heard of the controversy surrounding the use of the name Geronimo for the successful military operation that killed Osama bin Laden?



Bin Laden, Geronimo link angers Native Americans - Yahoo! News

Do you agree? Is an apology in order?

(I admit, I'm especially curious what the liberals here think. :mrgreen:)
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When I was a kid I use to yell 'geronimo' whenever I was rushing the treehouse with the hose.

Only in my later years did I learn that he was a real person.

And so I don't associate the word at all with him - at all - unless I have context.
 
Redress said:
It's a codeword. It could be pretty much any word in the world. I can think of maybe a handful of words that I would find inappropriate, and that because the words are inappropriate in almost all situations. Swear words, racial or religious epitaphs, that is about it.
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I wonder what the reaction would have been if it were called "Operation Raghead"? Come on... much ado about nothing... Libs need to get over it...
 
ludahai said:
I wonder what the reaction would have been if it were called "Operation Raghead"? Come on... much ado about nothing... Libs need to get over it...
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I better comparison would be operation Al-Khwarizmi because like Geronimo, it was the name of a historical person.
 
ludahai said:
And much harder for the SEAL on the radio to say,.,,
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I got Al-Kwar, wait ..

I got Al-Khaw wait ...

Screw it, Geronimo.
 
No, he shouldn't apologize. I don't think it was actually referring to OBL himself, but rather a word to indicate how much of the mission was a success that made reference to the struggle that it took without much possibility of the enemy knowing who we were referring to as being KIA.

Also, Geronimo wasn't even the Apache's real name. The name Geronimo was given to him by some Mexicans that he was fighting. His real name was Goyatte (or something like this).

Geronimo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was a great man, but it doesn't mean that having his name in any way associated with a successful operation involving a terrorist is insulting because it wasn't being used as another name for OBL.
 
I'm pretty sure it was refering to OBL, specifically.

I wish someone could clarify this.

The only clarity I can find is that, obviously, no one would give a crap if it was "Mission Geronimo".
 
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