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Did you want Osama Bin Laden killed?

Did you want Osama Bin Laden killed?

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disneydude said:
Again...another example of extreme ODS. Truly truly sad and petty.
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If you feel Obama deserves credit above and beyond his involvement......."Saying YES"..........

......let it be known. What else did Obama do?
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Badmutha said:
The military deserves pretty much all the credit........

.......Obama deserves credit for saying "Yes, kill Osama"........his contribution and involvement.
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So you really think that is the extent of Obama's involvement in this? Are you really that naive? Do you honestly believe that he hadn't had tons of briefings with military intelligence people? Do you think he was in no way involved in the planning of this?
 
digsbe said:
9/11 is much different from the death of osama. Regardless, shortler after many in the left started the truther movement and blamed Bush, not osama, for the 9/11 terror attacks.
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It all depends on what you mean by the "truther" movement. If you mean that Bush was actively involved in 911....that is an extreme fringe group.
If you mean that Bush had received information that OBL was planning to use planes as human missles and fly them into skyscrapers...and didn't act upon it...that is a much larger group.

Regardless.....The right-wing has clearly shown how much more petty they are than the left. At least, for the sake of the country, the left was able to put aside their differences with GWB and come together as a country. A great deal of the right-wing is showing that they are incapable of this.
 
Badmutha said:
If you feel Obama deserves credit above and beyond his involvement......."Saying YES"..........

......let it be known. What else did Obama do?
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You can start with the fact that Obama promised during his campaign that he would put the focus back on those who attacked our country, away from Iraq..and would actively seek to capture OBL....and he did that.

Its sad that your ODS prevents you from seeing that.
 
disneydude said:
You can start with the fact that Obama promised during his campaign that he would put the focus back on those who attacked our country, away from Iraq..and would actively seek to capture OBL....and he did that.

Its sad that your ODS prevents you from seeing that.
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.....Obama also promised to close Gitmo......

.....good thing Obama is a 24/7 lie factory......otherwise America's Finest would never have had the key intel that led to Obama saying "Yes", and the killing of Osama.
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disneydude said:
You can start with the fact that Obama promised during his campaign that he would put the focus back on those who attacked our country, away from Iraq..and would actively seek to capture OBL....and he did that.

Its sad that your ODS prevents you from seeing that.
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You do understand exactly who you're arguing with right?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
So you really think that is the extent of Obama's involvement in this? Are you really that naive? Do you honestly believe that he hadn't had tons of briefings with military intelligence people? Do you think he was in no way involved in the planning of this?
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Tell me.......

.......do you think a President with no foregin policy experience and ZERO military experience played some vital role?

.......besides saying "Yes, kill Osama"?
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disneydude said:
Its sad, that at a time when this country should really be coming together, the ODS crowd cannot stomach giving credit where credit is due. They would rather continue in their efforts to draw this country apart then admit that the man that they hate did something great for this country. Truly sad and pathetic.
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yes, the petty horrible right wing that by and large is just refusing the obviously even handed, non-partisan, non-political, attempts at embracing this as a nation as exhibited by outstanding leftists...such as this:

disneydude said:
I thank God that we have a President that put the focus back where it belonged in the first place.....mission accomplished.
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disneydude said:
Yeah right....G.W. "Mission Accomplished" Bush wouldn't know anything about a photo-op....riiiiiiiiight!!!!!
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Yep, taking jabs at the prior President is definitely the left trying to "come together"

disneydude said:
YouTube - Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) The difference between a President that knows what he is doing....and one who doesn't. Thank you to the US Military...and thank you to President Obama for restoring honor and integrity to the White House and the United States
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And how about immedietely using it to absolutely slam past President through taking words completely and utterly out of context.

disneydude said:
Bush laid down the "yellow brick road"....puh-lease. Perhaps two bricks before he decided to build a detour to Iraq and use the yellow bricks to take our focus away from where it belonged.
Bush's yellow brick road would never have led to Bin Laden.....sorry.
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disneydude said:
Bush laid down the "yellow brick road"....puh-lease. Perhaps two bricks before he decided to build a detour to Iraq and use the yellow bricks to take our focus away from where it belonged.
Bush's yellow brick road would never have led to Bin Laden.....sorry.
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And yes, god damn that evil right-wing who are clearly the only people making this political and attempting to divert credit away from individuals for political gains and to push their political agenda.

Your feigned outrage is pathetic Disney and your words show how hollow it truly is. Are some on the right acting as dispciable as you? Absolutely. That's no more the definition of "The right wing" then you are of the left wing. It just shows there's ridiculous hyper partisans on both sides that don't give a damn about anything except for thier political agenda.

To the topic of the thread...yes, Osama should've been killed. There wasn't a place in this country and potentially world where an honest and fair trial could've been conducted without bias. While interrogating him may've yeilded valuable intelligence, I think the harm of the long drawn out delay in his trial would've likely proved more troublesome than what we may've gleamed from him.

However, I disagree with the assertion that it was an "easy" call. For one, we don't know all the evidence that was provided to him and how concrete it was...it could've been like past instances under Bush and Obama where they did not move on a chance because the information either wasn't definitive enough, the risks were too great, or a combination of both. It could've also been a slam dunk that he was 99% there, but it still wouldn't be an honestly easy decision if we're being truthful about this and honestly trying to look at it from the vantage point of a President. You're commiting men's lives to the mission. You're potentially causing a significant foreign issue with the Pakistani government if you're wrong. If you're wrong, but not all the intel is wrong, you've successfully cut a thread of intelligence prematurely potentially ruining years of intel gathering. No, it was far from an easy choice to say "yes" no matter how much of a slam dunk it was that he was there. And this isn't even taking into account the potential "political" thoughts that could be playing into it, but simply thoughts important to the position of Commander-In-Chief.
 
disneydude said:
It all depends on what you mean by the "truther" movement. If you mean that Bush was actively involved in 911....that is an extreme fringe group.
If you mean that Bush had received information that OBL was planning to use planes as human missles and fly them into skyscrapers...and didn't act upon it...that is a much larger group.

Regardless.....The right-wing has clearly shown how much more petty they are than the left. At least, for the sake of the country, the left was able to put aside their differences with GWB and come together as a country. A great deal of the right-wing is showing that they are incapable of this.
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Both movements are wrong though and partisan in nature. During that time we saw many on the left making documentaries about 9/11 and lying to pin it on Bush. Both sides have issues, but the left isn't innocent nor are the masters at putting partisanship aside and coming together. Many embarrassed themselves post 9/11.
 
Badmutha said:
Tell me.......

.......do you think a President with no foregin policy experience and ZERO military experience played some vital role?

.......besides saying "Yes, kill Osama"?
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boy, this is really killing some of you hardcore members of the right... the seals got the job done, obama gave the green light for the operation..if this operation had went bad, you would be quick to point the finger at obama, and lay all blame at his feet...this is hillarious watching you guys squirm....
 
randel said:
boy, this is really killing some of you hardcore members of the right... the seals got the job done, obama gave the green light for the operation..if this operation had went bad, you would be quick to point the finger at obama, and lay all blame at his feet...this is hillarious watching you guys squirm....
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So Obama said "Yes, Kill Osama".......

........lets give him credit.
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digsbe said:
I wanted him caught alive, interrogated, and punished (whether that be death or jail). Although I'm not against him being dead, I would have much rather preferred his capture over his death.
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Death ends things quickly, and doesn't allow us to show the world what he was. I would have prefered he stand trail, in public, extremist be damned.
 
Badmutha said:
So Obama said "Yes, Kill Osama".......

........lets give him credit.
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absolutely...'cause he would have taken all the grief had it gone bad..at least be honest and admit that much.
 
randel said:
absolutely...'cause he would have taken all the grief had it gone bad..at least be honest and admit that much.
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Only if his name was Bush.......or if he had a (R) after his name.......
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Badmutha said:
Only if his name was Bush.......or if he had a (R) after his name.......
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if bush had been the one to give the order, and they got him, Bush would have gotten credit, limbaugh, hannity, levin, coulter and every other minor league conservative pundit would have have tripped over their tongues and over each other to make sure bush got credit...this would have been used to support everything from both wars, to justify the 'waterboarding' or the 'enhanced interrogation techniques'...the right would have made bush out to be the second coming of christ, and would have lobbied to have his likeness put on mt. rushmore...
 
disneydude said:
The sad thing...digs....is that after 911....the left really stopped for a while and came together despite their differences with GWB. The right-wing is unable to do this.
It truly shows how petty they are.
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Especially when only 10 months earlier, the election of 2000 had thoroughly embittered the left. We were able to move past that post 9/11 and said we are Americans first.
 
digsbe said:
9/11 is much different from the death of osama. Regardless, shortler after many in the left started the truther movement and blamed Bush, not osama, for the 9/11 terror attacks.




Obama still chose to continue on the mission though, it was more then saying "yes."
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Disneydude is right, the truthers are marginal group and include libertarians as well (I cite that some of them support Ron Paul). They are also smaller in number than birthers, and no major Democratic candidate embraced truthers in the manner we've seen this year's GOP do.

I mention this, though it's a tad off topic, for the purpose of comparison and to demonstrate just how far beyond the mainstream truthers are.



Zyphlin said:
And yes, god damn that evil right-wing who are clearly the only people making this political and attempting to divert credit away from individuals for political gains and to push their political agenda.

Your feigned outrage is pathetic Disney and your words show how hollow it truly is. Are some on the right acting as dispciable as you? Absolutely. That's no more the definition of "The right wing" then you are of the left wing. It just shows there's ridiculous hyper partisans on both sides that don't give a damn about anything except for thier political agenda.
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Disneydude's point was that post 9/11, Bush enjoyed up to a 92% approval rating. A significant number of Democrats overlooked, for a long period of time, their anger over the 2000 election, to support GWB. Obama, got a 6 point bump, so far anyway. It cannot be said that Republicans are setting aside their partisanship in the same numbers and that's a shame.

The mastermind/financier of 9/11 is dead on President Obama's order. Surely that is cause for all Americans to at least appreciate.
 
Gina said:
Disneydude's point was that post 9/11, Bush enjoyed up to a 92% approval rating. A significant number of Democrats overlooked, for a long period of time, their anger over the 2000 election, to support GWB. Obama, got a 6 point bump, so far anyway. It cannot be said that Republicans are setting aside their partisanship in the same numbers and that's a shame.

The mastermind/financier of 9/11 is dead on President Obama's order. Surely that is cause for all Americans to at least appreciate.
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First off....attempting to compare 9/11 to the death of Osama Bin Laden is a hollow comparison. The impact emotionally, economically, pyschologically, and societaly on this country was magnitudes large from 9/11 than in regards to the death of Osama Bin Laden. No, you're not going to have the exact same situation happen with the killing of a man 10 years after the fact responsible for the attacks as you had when 3,000+ people died, two massive buildings were demolished, the heart of our military attacked, our economy taking a dive, and all of it occuring live on television for people to see. To expect those two situations to have the same, or even largely similar, effects is highly questionable.

Second off...you didn't have Conservatives coming out on 9/11 going "THIS IS ALL CLINTON'S FAULT!" or "Thank God we have Bush in office instead of Clinton to show what a REAL President will do" or "Thank you President Bush for restoring the HONOR of this country with your reaction to 9/11 compared to that guy who got a blowjob". Yes, Democrats AND Republicans banded together. BOTH of them. Neither were taking partisan shots by and large. That's not the case here. Yes, have some on the right been taking shots about how Obama doesn't deserve much credit, or trying to immedietely turn it into a torture discussion? Absolutely. On the flip side, you also have MSNBC taking shots at Bush on Day One alluding to "mission accomplished" and you have liberals all around, such as Disney, immedietely using it as a political tool to bash the Bush Administrations policies. So the lack of civility and "Coming together" that was present during 9/11, shown by the majority on BOTH sides of the aisle, isn't here right now...but at no fault to any individual side, as both sides are slinging it.

Third...I absolutely agree its something to appreciate. And actually, I think if you'll look at most conservative media, most conservative posters here, and other such things you'll actually find that most DO give credit and are appreciative of what happened. The issue for people like Disney, is that if they dare suggest that Bush ALSO deserves credit somehow in his mind that translates to "Obama doesn't deserve credit", a notion that frankly blows my mind at the illogic of it. Are there people on the right acting idiotically at this? Absolutely, there's a poll going on up in the "polls" section right now that highlights such idiocy regarding this issue...but I do not think its as wide spread as Disney and now yourself make it out to be that Republicans are not giving Credit to Obama.
 
Yes I wanted Bin Laden Killed. I can think of several reasons why-


1.No media circus.

2.No scumbags arguing if his rights were violated.

3.No arguments on whether or not to try him in a military or civilian court.

4.No arguments on who should have custody.

5.No pieces of **** lawyers trying to sue on his behalf.

6.No pieces of **** arguing that we should not give him the death penalty because that would make him a martyr or because they are ***** who believes the death penalty is wrong for obviously guilty people.

7.No rats in the media trying to get interviews with Bin Laden.

8.The most important reasons is that I do not doubt his guilt in all the **** he has done.
 
Best thing for the country is him taken out...nothing good could come from his capture and subsequent circus performances. That would have riled up the terrorists more seeing him on tv regularly and our Left insisting he gets every right afforded to every american etc. Dead is much better
 
Badmutha said:
If you answered YES......

Congratulations, you have the same intellect, guts, ability, and capability of our Community-Orgainzer-In-Chief...... Barack HusSame Obama.......who also answered YES, which thereby brought an end to his contribution and involvement in the planning, execution, and situation alltogether.

If you believe a President with zero foreign policy experience and not a shred of military experience had anything more to do with Osama's killing than "Yes"........you would sorely be mistaken.

Let us congratulate Obama on saying YES, albeit a nutless monkey could have also done that job.
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Let's be intellectually honest here for a second (I know it's difficult for you). How much contribution does any president have in the planning and execution of most military actions? That's pretty much all a commander-in-chief does, is say yes or no to plans that other people bring to him. He doesn't exactly have the time to plan all that stuff out himself.
 
molten_dragon said:
Let's be intellectually honest here for a second (I know it's difficult for you). How much contribution does any president have in the planning and execution of most military actions?
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Depends on the President's military experience.........

.....if that experience is only as extensive as the Streets of ****cago........then it would be the same amount contributed by a nutless monkey.

That's pretty much all a commander-in-chief does, is say yes or no to plans that other people bring to him. He doesn't exactly have the time to plan all that stuff out himself.
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......clearly not when he is too busy with NCAA brackets, the Oprah show, and setting the record for Presidential Golf Outings.

Now watch this drive......
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Zyphlin said:
First off....attempting to compare 9/11 to the death of Osama Bin Laden is a hollow comparison. The impact emotionally, economically, pyschologically, and societaly on this country was magnitudes large from 9/11 than in regards to the death of Osama Bin Laden. No, you're not going to have the exact same situation happen with the killing of a man 10 years after the fact responsible for the attacks as you had when 3,000+ people died, two massive buildings were demolished, the heart of our military attacked, our economy taking a dive, and all of it occuring live on television for people to see. To expect those two situations to have the same, or even largely similar, effects is highly questionable.
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I beg to differ. There were spontaneous celebrations in the streets of DC, NY and elsewhere. Clearly, bin Laden’s death meant enough for people to leave their homes and go to cheer until the wee hours of the morning on a Sunday night. Because it didn’t mean as much to you, doesn’t mean it didn’t to everyone. I think you underestimate the impact of it and I stand by my comment.


Zyphlin said:
Second off...you didn't have Conservatives coming out on 9/11 going "THIS IS ALL CLINTON'S FAULT!" or "Thank God we have Bush in office instead of Clinton to show what a REAL President will do" or "Thank you President Bush for restoring the HONOR of this country with your reaction to 9/11 compared to that guy who got a blowjob". Yes, Democrats AND Republicans banded together. BOTH of them. Neither were taking partisan shots by and large. That's not the case here. Yes, have some on the right been taking shots about how Obama doesn't deserve much credit, or trying to immedietely turn it into a torture discussion? Absolutely. On the flip side, you also have MSNBC taking shots at Bush on Day One alluding to "mission accomplished" and you have liberals all around, such as Disney, immedietely using it as a political tool to bash the Bush Administrations policies. So the lack of civility and "Coming together" that was present during 9/11, shown by the majority on BOTH sides of the aisle, isn't here right now...but at no fault to any individual side, as both sides are slinging it.

Third...I absolutely agree its something to appreciate. And actually, I think if you'll look at most conservative media, most conservative posters here, and other such things you'll actually find that most DO give credit and are appreciative of what happened. The issue for people like Disney, is that if they dare suggest that Bush ALSO deserves credit somehow in his mind that translates to "Obama doesn't deserve credit", a notion that frankly blows my mind at the illogic of it. Are there people on the right acting idiotically at this? Absolutely, there's a poll going on up in the "polls" section right now that highlights such idiocy regarding this issue...but I do not think its as wide spread as Disney and now yourself make it out to be that Republicans are not giving Credit to Obama.
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It’s not how liberals felt about Clinton. That was not my point. It’s how they felt about Bush. They were scorched after the 2000 election. They felt, and rightly so it was proved, that stopping the recount in Florida kept Gore from winning the state and that the Supreme Court acted improperly to install Bush as president. It’s still a sore subject to this day, but on 9/11, and the aftermath, it didn’t matter. We were attacked as a nation. We stood as a nation, regardless of how we felt about the election of 2000.

The same point can be made in reverse over this issue. Conservatives are still fuming over Obama winning the election of 2008. Since the day after his election, they haven’t given him an inch and they won’t now.
Reread your first paragraph I quoted above. Read that description of the devastation of 9/11. The mastermind/financier of that is dead, brought to justice and conservatives cannot set aside 2008. The Gallup daily poll gave the president a 6% bump over the last 3 days for a total rate of 52%. That’s representative of the voters who elected him. Even if I GWB’s rating went straight to 86% in the first week. So though you say most conservative media and posters give him credit, it doesn’t show in the polls.

Maybe the bump will increase next week? But for now, again, I stand by my post.
 
Badmutha said:
Depends on the President's military experience.........
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I assume you have some sort of proof to back this up? What recent president has actually taken a larger role in planning and executing military actions than approving (or not) plans that others have made for him to see.
 
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