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Balanced Budget Ammendment

Do you support a balanced budget ammendment to the Constitution?

  • Yes, we should live within our means.

    Votes: 13 56.5%
  • No, it handcuffs the government.

    Votes: 9 39.1%
  • I don't care about it; I have no opinion.

    Votes: 1 4.3%

  • Total voters
    23

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Do you think that the federal government should be required by the Constitution to maintain a balanced budget?

The reason I am asking this is, we are digging ourselves into an enourmous hole and President Obama's budget would raise the deficit to 21 trillion by 2021.
 
Do you think that the federal government should be required by the Constitution to maintain a balanced budget?

The reason I am asking this is, we are digging ourselves into an enourmous hole and President Obama's budget would raise the deficit to 21 trillion by 2021.

It hampers us in the future. For example, if we ever want to fight another war for any reason, the inability to go into debt would hurt us.
 
It hampers us in the future. For example, if we ever want to fight another war for any reason, the inability to go into debt would hurt us.

What if there was an exemption for wars(declared)?
 
Do you think that the federal government should be required by the Constitution to maintain a balanced budget?

The reason I am asking this is, we are digging ourselves into an enourmous hole and President Obama's budget would raise the deficit to 21 trillion by 2021.
if the people and the courts actually respected the tenth amendment we wouldn't need a balanced Budget amendment to balance the budget
 
What if there was an exemption for wars(declared)?

That would require a big change in how the government operates. We haven't actually declared war since WWII, but that hasn't stopped Presidents of either party from doing what they wanted to militarily.

The other thing is national emergencies. You know that politicians are going to walk right up to the line and legally balance the budget, but what happens when a big hurricane wipes out half of a major city (i.e. Katrina), and there's no money left to spend?

You've also got non-discretionary spending, so much of which is tied up now in servicing the debt and paying for things the government has already committed to.
 
Do you think that the federal government should be required by the Constitution to maintain a balanced budget?

Kind of like the requirement for Congress to pass a budget?.....that was disregarded in 2010

Pass all the amendments you want.....The Constitution will continue to serve as TP in all Democrat restrooms.....

The reason I am asking this is, we are digging ourselves into an enourmous hole and President Obama's budget would raise the deficit to 21 trillion by 2021.

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It hampers us in the future. For example, if we ever want to fight another war for any reason, the inability to go into debt would hurt us.

We should stop invading countries then and cut military spending along with social spending.
 
What if there was an exemption for wars(declared)?

Then I think politicians would declare wars to justify reckless spending and bigger debts, and attempt to attribute all spending to the war or wars, which is be a bigger problem than the problem we already have.... It's just a bad idea all around
 
Then I think politicians would declare wars to justify reckless spending and bigger debts, and attempt to attribute all spending to the war or wars, which is be a bigger problem than the problem we already have.... It's just a bad idea all around

We declare war every few years anyway.
 
Everyone should learn to live within their means. We have become a society of "I want it now!" Why should we be surprised by the governments spending habits. Too many people bankroll their futures for the whim of the moment. Everyone should make their own balanced budeget amendment,especially the government.
 
Then I think politicians would declare wars to justify reckless spending and bigger debts, and attempt to attribute all spending to the war or wars, which is be a bigger problem than the problem we already have.... It's just a bad idea all around

I actually don't think this is a problem, when time comes and there is a big war then congress can meet and create a temporary amendment that let them override the spending limit. US hasn't been in a proper war since second world war anyway.
 
I actually don't think this is a problem, when time comes and there is a big war then congress can meet and create a temporary amendment that let them override the spending limit. US hasn't been in a proper war since second world war anyway.

Please. Don't let the politicians pool the wool over your eyes. Korea wasn't a war? Vietnam wasn't a war? Iraq and Afghanistan aren't wars? I know, the US never declared war, but to say they aren't wars is just a lie.
 
Do you think that the federal government should be required by the Constitution to maintain a balanced budget?

The reason I am asking this is, we are digging ourselves into an enourmous hole and President Obama's budget would raise the deficit to 21 trillion by 2021.

No, we should not maintain a balanced budget.

Most people cannot live on a balanced budget - that is without debt. People use debt to get student loans, to get mortgages, to get capital to start up businesses. They use debt to eventually create a profit.

Same thing happens in regards to the government. The government borrows money and uses that money for certain programs. Those programs can then help create a profit.

This is especially the case with things like transportation infrastructure. I believe that for every $1 we spend on transportation infrastructure, we get $1.60 back, for a profit of $0.60 per dollar spent.

Also, government debt is good for creditors since our government is so traditionally stable.

So no - a balanced budget amendment would be a very bad idea. Maybe an amendment that would limit how much debt we could borrow would be a good idea. But there are also other things that could be done too.

For instance, a war tax amendment. If our armed forces are deployed in combat for over 90 days anywhere then the federal government institutes a mandatory sales tax on all goods and services to pay for it.

Another would be a national internet sales tax. All goods and services paid for over the internet should be taxed at 5%. 1% goes to the buyer's local government, 1% goes to the buyer's state government, 1% goes to the vendor's local government, 1% goes to the vendor's state government, and 1% goes to the federal government. This also has the added benefit of allowing stores to compete better with internet vendors.

There's many other options we could do to increase tax revenues to pay off the government debt and government deficit.
 
Government debt removes capital from the market that could be used by private companies to build the things that consumers actually demand. Government debt is a bad thing.
 
It does have its downsides, but don't you think it outweights the horrors of the huge debt we keep piling up?
 
It does have its downsides, but don't you think it outweights the horrors of the huge debt we keep piling up?

The problem is that it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Yes, we would fix the discretionary spending problem that we have, but there's other and better ways to do that. You can't just pass another amendment or repeal it if a war or national emergency comes up. Amending the Constitution is a deliberately onerous process, because the framers of the Constitution recognized that changing it for political whims is a bad idea. Look at Prohibition. Eventually it was repealed, but it took time.

This is like someone saying "I have a problem controlling my sexual urges. Therefore, the solution is to cut off my penis." Yes, it does solve that problem, but you might want your penis later in life when you've learned to control yourself and would like to have a family.
 
I actually don't think this is a problem, when time comes and there is a big war then congress can meet and create a temporary amendment that let them override the spending limit. US hasn't been in a proper war since second world war anyway.

I think they'd just declare war to spend more... or even a no fly zone. Using war as as a trigger for spending is a bad idea.
 
Do you think that the federal government should be required by the Constitution to maintain a balanced budget?

Not necessary. US budget IS balanced every year. The Treasury Department makes up the difference. Good thing too. All Government debts have to be paid when due. The proof is there is never a carry over deficit the following year.

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All governments are in debt, most are in worse shape than us. Even if we raise the National Debt to 20 trillion, we'll still be the best risk.

ricksfolly

I don't care what other countries are doing. I showed that it was bad because it means less capital for private businesses that provide the services that people want. Governments do not do that nearly as well as private companies do.
 
I think they'd just declare war to spend more... or even a no fly zone. Using war as as a trigger for spending is a bad idea.

I didn't state that there was going to be a trigger to let them spend more. I just said that if a big war comes up, then they can just amend the constitution. They will probably do that anyway, we don't have to tell them.

phattonez: I wrote proper war. I don't really see them (Vietnam, Korea, etc.) as proper wars, since US never got attacked on it's own soil and could withdraw any moment without consequences.
 
i like a spending cap better than a BBA - which inevitably will be as easy to get around as the "Paygo" rule was. require 2/3rds support of congress every year to raise spending by more than the rate of inflation plus population growth, for example.
 
**** happens. Therefore annual balanced budget is a bad idea.

Now, a 10 year focus on balanced budget is not a bad idea.

but we've seen how that works too.

"the budget is balanced. we spend alot of money on goodies right up until i run for reelection, after which we significantly cut spending and raies taxes..... so it's balanced". except the second part never happens.

given that politicians have 2, 4, and 6 year timelines that they actually care about, and given that the House is both the generator of budgets and has the shortest timeline ; perhaps a two-year balanced budget would work, which ties the second session to the decisions of the first.
 
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