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Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

Are gay people "abnormal"?

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StillBallin75 said:
To be fair, the parrot isn't actually communicating, it's reciting by rote.

But I agree with you that the ability to communicate is not unique to humans.
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Did you actually watch the video? If not, then I suggest you watch it to the end. That is not reciting by rote.
 
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Blackdog said:
Because they don't. They do however communicate and in some cases quite well. This however does not make them intelligent as even bee's can communicate.



Considering we can blow the planet and all it's abundant life to nothingness, I beg to differ, lol. Nature ain't got nothing on man insofar as destructive power goes.



Very true.
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I agree that humans are very destructive, but the earth can recover from nearly anything. As far as destructive power goes, volcanoes and other major natural catastrophes are still light years beyond our control.
 
Blackdog said:
Had nothing to do with my point. That is a moronic comparison.
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The fact is you are wrong. Some animals do possess abstract reasoning ability, communication, and morality. Simply because you are a theologian, you have chosen to ignore the evidence that threatens your precious world view that humans are somehow the only creatures that posses these things.
 
CriticalThought said:
Mac, meet Alex.

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Almost every species can communicate simple things among other members of it's species and even cross species at time, I'm not trying to say they don't. The difference is that no other species, even the other apes, can communicate as complexly as humans. Whales and dolphins are a possible exception, but this hasn't really been shown conclusively.
 
mac said:
See, I feel the same way about you....if you weren't such a lib....I think we could get a regularly scheduled beer. :)
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I don't drink... so that would be a problem. :2razz:
 
mac said:
Almost every species can communicate simple things among other members of it's species and even cross species at time, I'm not trying to say they don't. The difference is that no other species, even the other apes, can communicate as complexly as humans. Whales and dolphins are a possible exception, but this hasn't really been shown conclusively.
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Interesting. You are moving the goal posts just like Blackdog tried to do. First you argue that they don't possess the ability at all, then you argue that they don't possess the abiltiy to the level that humans possess it. The fact is that African Grey Parrots have been scientfically proven to have the communication ability of a human toddler. That means they do possess human level language. Admittedly they don't possess the communicational abilities of an adult human, but they can possess the the communicational abilities of humans.
 
CriticalThought said:
Interesting. You are moving the goal posts just like Blackdog tried to do. First you argue that they don't possess the ability at all, then you argue that they don't possess the abiltiy to the level that humans possess it. The fact is that African Grey Parrots have been scientfically proven to have the communication ability of a human toddler. That means they do possess human level language. Admittedly they don't possess the communicational abilities of an adult human, but they can possess the the communicational abilities of humans.
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I never said they don't posses the ability all.....please quote me if I did.
 
CriticalThought said:
Animals demonstrate morality.

Animals can tell right from wrong - Telegraph
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So let me get this straight..

Because animals do things to preserve and protect the species, they must have hard wired morality? We already have a name for it, it's called "instinct." No wonder it is controversial and only a hypothesis.

They actually waisted time and money on this study?

Sorry no cigar.

CriticalThought said:
Incorrect. In fact, New Caledonian crows through scientific experiments have been proven to possess causal reasoning.
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Again not the same as humans. They are trying to prescribe human actions to animals. I also never said they could not out of hand reason, I said like humans. This is not even close.

CriticalThought said:
Given that your argument was that humans are different than animals and not that adult humans are different than animals, your argument seems to be slipping.
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Nothing slipping. You are trying desperately to prove something that is wrong and illogical and goes against scientific knowledge.

CriticalThought said:
Many of these things differ within human cultures. For example, not every culture perceives time as linear, not every culture has the same conception of stealing, and not every culture appreciates art. The fact that you argue that these are the defining characteristics of humanity when not all humans even share these traits, tends to show more of your ethnocentrism than your understanding of what makes humans different than animals.
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That is irrelevant, the fact is any human being of normal intelligence can understand the concepts and animals can't, period.

CriticalThought said:
Baboons trained on computers show they are capable of abstract reasoning - Science, News - The Independent

Do you like being wrong? I absolutely love proving theologians like you wrong. It gives me plenty of reason to get up in the morning.
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Wait, wait...

What does religion have to do with this? Making assumptions again? It has nothing to do with my religions and you are just making yourself look bigoted.

Your evidence is laughable at best. You have yet to show me an animal that can...

Obey a law, any law because it is wrong.
Can appreciate art.
Can understand humor, not fun, humor.

You can't.
 
mac said:
I never said they don't posses the ability all.....please quote me if I did.
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Let's start here.

mac said:
The difference is that no other species, even the other apes, can communicate as complexly as humans.
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This implies that you believe that no other species possess human level language capabilities.

We go back further...

mac said:
You're both wrong. It's our ability to communicate that makes a special.
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This implies that you believe the very ability to communicate is unique to humans.
 
CriticalThought said:
The fact is you are wrong. Some animals do possess abstract reasoning ability, communication, and morality. Simply because you are a theologian, you have chosen to ignore the evidence that threatens your precious world view that humans are somehow the only creatures that posses these things.
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Come up with a reasonable argument and stop making excuses because I am a Christian.

Humans by the way are the only ones that have it to any real degree when compared to animals. Just like I said.
 
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Blackdog said:
Obey a law, any law because it is wrong.
Can appreciate art.
Can understand humor, not fun, humor.

You can't.
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Pathetic. Classic Blackdog, can't disprove the evidence so he simply has to dismiss it outright in order to preserve his narrow world view. :roll:

So you believe that what makes me and you human are our abilities to obey laws, appreciate art, and understand humor? So if I find a child who was born with mental retardation and he does not understand how to obey laws, appreciate art, or understand humor, he is not human? If you or I sustain a brain injury that inhibits our abilities to obey laws, appreciate art, or understand humor, then we are no longer human?

God, your logic is so weak it is sad and painful to watch. You try to generate a list of what makes us human and prove how little you understand humanity in the process.
 
Blackdog said:
Because they don't.
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African Grey Parrots do. I even provided a handy dandy video to demonstrate such. Do you enjoy being willfully ignorant and ignoring even what you can see with your own eyes?
 
CriticalThought said:
African Grey Parrots do. I even provided a handy dandy video to demonstrate such. Do you enjoy being willfully ignorant and ignoring even what you can see with your own eyes?
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No they don't. They are mimicking sounds for a desired effect. Huge difference.
 
Blackdog said:
Come up with a reasonable argument and stop making excuses because I am a Christian.
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I've decided high religiousity is a mental illness. No matter what evidence or reasoning I provide to someone who is highly religous, their mental illness will take over and deny them the cognitive ability to accept or objectively percieve it.
 
CriticalThought said:
Pathetic. Classic Blackdog, can't disprove the evidence so he simply has to dismiss it outright in order to preserve his narrow world view. :roll:
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I dismissed it because it is poor evidence. Has nothing to do with my "world view" etc. Don't make excuses for a lame argument.

CriticalThought said:
So you believe that what makes me and you human are our abilities to obey laws, appreciate art, and understand humor?
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Yes. That is a small part of it.

CriticalThought said:
So if I find a child who was born with mental retardation and he does not understand how to obey laws, appreciate art, or understand humor, he is not human?
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If I found a kitten, would you agree that all animals are far less than human? <---- That is how silly that argument is.

CriticalThought said:
If you or I sustain a brain injury that inhibits our abilities to obey laws, appreciate art, or understand humor, then we are no longer human?
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If a dog gets a brain injury and can no longer bark, he is no longer a dog? I mean we can do this stupidity all night.

CriticalThought said:
God, your logic is so weak it is sad and painful to watch. You try to generate a list of what makes us human and prove how little you understand humanity in the process.
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No your logic as I have shown yet again is just ridicules.
 
CriticalThought said:
Watch the video or shut up because you are just making more of a fool of yourself by the second.
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I did and it is mimicking sounds for a desired effect, nothing more. You want to see or read more into it than there is.

You can also stop with the personal attacks at any time.
 
CriticalThought said:
I've decided high religiousity is a mental illness. No matter what evidence or reasoning I provide to someone who is highly religous, their mental illness will take over and deny them the cognitive ability to accept or objectively percieve it.
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Really? This is a pretty absurd preconceived notion, CT. I consider myself highly religious and do not see that I have any issues with objectivity. It's not being highly religious that's the issue. It's the ability of SEPARATING one's religousness from other things.
 
Blackdog said:
I did and it is mimicking sounds for a desired effect, nothing more. You want to see or read more into it than there is.

You can also stop with the personal attacks at any time.
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So let me get this right. The fact that it can count, distinguish sizes, distinguish composition, discrimiante between shapes, etc. is all just "mimiking sounds" to you? That is so pathetic.
 
CriticalThought said:
So let me get this right. The fact that it can count, distinguish sizes, distinguish composition, discrimiante between shapes, etc. is all just "mimiking sounds" to you? That is so pathetic.
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You are confusing two different things because you have already made up in your mind that no matter what I type, it will mean what you want it too.

Just because he is mimicking sound for a desired effect does not mean he is not counting etc. Hell we have horses that can count. This does not in any way mean they are communicating like humans can and do.

I mean really the bird is not holding a conversation. It is answering questions it has been asked many times before. I mean I have a parrot, they are very smart for an animal. They are still just an animal.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Really? This is a pretty absurd preconceived notion, CT. I consider myself highly religious and do not see that I have any issues with objectivity. It's not being highly religious that's the issue. It's the ability of SEPARATING one's religousness from other things.
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Sorry, but I think there is sufficient evidence that high religiosity is a thought disorder. There are delusions, such as beliefs in talking serpents and boats with two of every animal, that are accepted even when presented with evidence to the contrary. There are hallucinations, which the highly religous call "prayer" and they even often claim that they hear auditory responses from an invisible source. There is a level of harm to self or others that the highly religious possess as is evidenced by the fact that they may fly planes into buildings or starve themselves for their irrational beliefs. There is a disorder of thoughts as is evidenced by the circular logic that is often employed to defend their belief systems. I could go on and on.
 
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