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Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

Are gay people "abnormal"?

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LuckyDan said:
What are some examples of harm in homosexual sex?
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Pretty much the same as those in heterosexual sex. STDs, contusions and tears to tissue, etc. There are some differences. Gay men don't have to worry about unplanned pregnancies. Risk of STDs for both gays and straights can be reduced to virtually zero through the practice of monogamy.
 
CriticalThought said:
Pretty much the same as those in heterosexual sex. STDs, contusions and tears to tissue, etc. There are some differences. Gay men don't have to worry about unplanned pregnancies. Risk of STDs for both gays and straights can be reduced to virtually zero through the practice of monogamy.
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I was asking more in the context of psychological harm, considering our posts about pedophilia, but okay.
 
LuckyDan said:
I was asking more in the context of psychological harm, considering our posts about pedophilia, but okay.
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I think the only psychological harm that comes from either consensual heterosexual or homosexual sex is derived from people who feel guilty or ashamed because they judge themselves or allow others to judge them in accordance to outdated and irrational religious beliefs.
 
CriticalThought said:
It isn't for everybody, but it doesn't hurt. If it hurt then why would people do it?
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I will take your word for it, and pardon me while I back away from this part of the topic.
 
LuckyDan said:
I was asking more in the context of psychological harm, considering our posts about pedophilia, but okay.
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There is no evidence of psychological harm from either orientation or homosexual acts. Pedophilia is an entirely different topic from homosexuality.
 
StillBallin75 said:
i dunno, why do people have BDSM fetishes?
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Because sadists and masochists get pleasure from pain. People who don't get pleasure from pain have no incentive to engage in a practice that would cause it.
 
CriticalThought said:
I think the only psychological harm that comes from either consensual heterosexual or homosexual sex is derived from people who feel guilty or ashamed because they judge themselves or allow others to judge them in accordance to outdated and irrational religious beliefs.
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I think shame is instinctual. It can be overcome, but is still instinctual when first felt, not imposed from the outside.
 
CriticalThought said:
Because sadists and masochists get pleasure from pain. People who don't get pleasure from pain have no incentive to engage in a practice that would cause it.
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I'm a virgin, but I don't think I'd find buttsecks (on the receiving end) to be very pleasurable, even if it wasn't painful.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I'm a virgin, but I don't think I'd find buttsecks (on the receiving end) to be very pleasurable, even if it wasn't painful.
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Perhaps you wouldn't. Of course, there are a lot of heterosexual men who love it, hence why pegging exists. There are also lots of homosexual men who hate it. It really comes down to an individual's body and preferences.
 
mac said:
Ok, I'll give it a shot:

As I've grown and "matured" I've met..let's say...thousands of people that all have had distinct personalities, but many of which have overlapping qualities. I've come to learn that certain mannerisms and activities are indicitive of aspects of a persons personality. I've noticed that there are people who are very concerned with exhibiting intelligence (and that these people are generally not of anything more than average intelligence) and do so with use of "big" or obscure words. People that do this in writing, or are overly detailed and verbose, irritate and bore me.

I pick writers cusch as Steinbeck and Card because they are relatively concise and humble in their writing styles. This is a conscious decision on my part. There is no mystery to it.
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Almost. Explain in detail what it is about concise and humble writing styles that make you choose writers who exhibit such to read... and tell us the process that causes irritation and boredom in writers that do not exhibit those qualities.
 
theplaydrive said:
Right. So everybody chooses except for heterosexuals. The world revolves around mac and his experiences.
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Do you choose to breath? Do you choose to hold your breath?
 
mac said:
Do you choose to breath? Do you choose to hold your breath?
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Given the failure of attempts to reform pedophiles, I am not really sure its a choice (unfortunately).
 
CriticalThought said:
Okay then. Here is my argument. If you were to argue that I should never engage in sexual behavior with men because there are perfectly good women around, it would pretty similar to me arguing that you should never read Koontz because there is perfectly good Stephen King you could read.
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I can read both, I like the stories told by both, just not the way it's told by one becuase I have learned that some writing styles annoy me.

In other words, I don't choose to be sexually aroused by men and you don't choose to be entertained by Koontz.
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No...I choose to be entertained by Koontz vs King. I can be entertained by both (can't wait for your next analogy, btw)

And yet you consider the behavior, to have sex or to read, to be completely choice?
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The actual action? Absolutely by choice.

Assuming that it were a sin to read Koontz and a virtue to read Stephen King, would you give up the former for the latter for the rest of your life?
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Yes. I've given up quite a few things in my life for the greater good (or because of the rules).
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Almost. Explain in detail what it is about concise and humble writing styles that make you choose writers who exhibit such to read... and tell us the process that causes irritation and boredom in writers that do not exhibit those qualities.
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I beleive I allready did. The manner in which someone writes is indicitive of how they think. If they are "putting on airs" I choose to not read them. It's not that I can't read them, its not that I can't get something from the writing...I choose not to read them because I've learned that the way they write is reflective of attitudes I dislike. Attitudes, by the way, that have no direct impact on my life. It's a choice because I could live with, or without it.
 
megaprogman said:
Given the failure of attempts to reform pedophiles, I am not really sure its a choice (unfortunately).
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I think pedophilia is still considered a disorder (at least I hope it is). I don't know that the failure of treatment makes it any less a choice though, exfept perhaps if you consider addiction beyond choice. In my view, addiction is a result of choices made....and so is still a choice for this purpose.
 
mac said:
I think pedophilia is still considered a disorder (at least I hope it is). I don't know that the failure of treatment makes it any less a choice though, exfept perhaps if you consider addiction beyond choice. In my view, addiction is a result of choices made....and so is still a choice for this purpose.
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Given the way we think the brain works for compulsive behavior, the internal consequences are such that much of the choice is removed from us.
 
mac said:
Do you choose to breath? Do you choose to hold your breath?
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This has nothing to do with anything. You already know the answers. We're talking about sexuality.

According to you, heterosexuality is the only unchosen sexuality. The world revolves around you. It's nonsensical.
 
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