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Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

Are gay people "abnormal"?

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Bodhisattva said:
So to answer his question, you didn't make a choice to let certain people bore you, but once you realized that they did bore you, you made a choice to ignore them, right?
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Close enough. Stephen King, for example, bores the shiznit outta me. Koontz on the other hand...
 
mac said:
Close enough. Stephen King, for example, bores the shiznit outta me. Koontz on the other hand...
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Well then, choice is not always a conscious decision, is it.
 
No.

But homophobes seem to suffer from an abnormal amount of self-loathing and fear...
 
mac said:
No, not always...but then I didn't say that it was....in fact I said the opposite.
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So you concede that you might be incorrect about gays choosing to be homosexual then?
 
Bodhisattva said:
So you concede that you might be incorrect about gays choosing to be homosexual then?
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No, but I'll concede that some factors affecting the choice are sub-conscious.
 
mac said:
No, but I'll concede that some factors affecting the choice are sub-conscious.
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Do you consider pedophilia and heterosexuality choices?
 
mac said:
As an orientation or an act?
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So are you saying that you choose who does and does not bore you like I choose who does and does not sexually arouse me?
 
mac said:
I didn't say that.
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Well do you think I have any more choice in who does and does not sexually arouse me than you have in who does and does not bore you?
 
mac said:
As an orientation or an act?
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Orientation. Do you think pedophiles choose to be attracted to children? Do you think heterosexuals choose to be attracted to those of the opposite sex?
 
theplaydrive said:
Orientation. Do you think pedophiles choose to be attracted to children? Do you think heterosexuals choose to be attracted to those of the opposite sex?
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Yes. No.


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theplaydrive said:
Orientation. Do you think pedophiles choose to be attracted to children? Do you think heterosexuals choose to be attracted to those of the opposite sex?
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That's actually a good question. I would add, do pedophiles understand they are victimizing children when they force themselves sexually on them?
 
mac said:
At this point, probably not.
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Okay then. Here is my argument. If you were to argue that I should never engage in sexual behavior with men because there are perfectly good women around, it would pretty similar to me arguing that you should never read Koontz because there is perfectly good Stephen King you could read.

In other words, I don't choose to be sexually aroused by men and you don't choose to be entertained by Koontz.

And yet you consider the behavior, to have sex or to read, to be completely choice?

Assuming that it were a sin to read Koontz and a virtue to read Stephen King, would you give up the former for the latter for the rest of your life?
 
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LuckyDan said:
That's actually a good question. I would add, do pedophiles understand they are victimizing children when they force themselves sexually on them?
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1. Most pedophiles do not engage in sexual behavior with children.
2. Of those that do, they typically rationalize their behavior in order to justify it, and may twist it so they believe they are helping or educating the child.
 
CriticalThought said:
1. Most pedophiles do not engage in sexual behavior with children.
2. Of those that do, they typically rationalize their behavior in order to justify it, and may twist it so they believe they are helping or educating the child.
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Then, with regard to #2, can we agree there are certain sexual desires that are harmful and should not be acted upon?
 
LuckyDan said:
That's actually a good question. I would add, do pedophiles understand they are victimizing children when they force themselves sexually on them?
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I think some do and some don't. I've read things where they claim both ways. I don't know enough about it though to know who's telling the truth. That's a good question though.
 
LuckyDan said:
Then, with regard to #2, can we agree there are certain sexual desires that are harmful and should not be acted upon?
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I think most people agree on that. I think sexual desires that are harmful are those that lead to taking advantage of people - like the desire to rape or molest.
 
LuckyDan said:
Then, with regard to #2, can we agree there are certain sexual desires that are harmful and should not be acted upon?
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Clearly there are sexual desires that should not be acted upon.

I hope you are not going to try to equate the harm caused by a pedophile molesting a child to whatever harm is caused by two consenting homosexual adults having sex.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Clearly there are sexual desires that should not be acted upon.

I hope you are not going to try to equate the harm caused by a pedophile molesting a child to whatever harm is caused by two consenting homosexual adults having sex.
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Thank you, and no, I do not equate consensual sex of any variety with the devastating and very sick practice of child molestation.

I was prompted to ask after reading the post to which I replied, which then went on to ask whether straits and gays choose who they are attracted to.

But it is nice to know that not everything is open to civil rights based on sexual preference here at DP.

EDIT: I just caught the bolded part. Are you suggesting there is some degree of harm in homosexual sex?
 
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LuckyDan said:
Thank you, and no, I do not equate consensual sex of any variety with the devastating and very sick practice of child molestation.

I was prompted to ask after reading the post to which I replied, which then went on to ask whether straits and gays choose who they are attracted to.

But it is nice to know that not everything is open to civil rights based on sexual preference here at DP.
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Harm principle at work here.
 
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