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Are Gay People "Abnormal"?

Are gay people "abnormal"?


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Sorry, but I think there is sufficient evidence that high religiosity is a thought disorder. There are delusions, such as beliefs in talking serpents and boats with two of every animal, that are accepted even when presented with evidence to the contrary. There are hallucinations, which the highly religous call "prayer" and they even often claim that they hear auditory responses from an invisible source. There is a level of harm to self or others that the highly religious possess as is evidenced by the fact that they may fly planes into buildings or starve themselves for their irrational beliefs. There is a disorder of thoughts as is evidenced by the circular logic that is often employed to defend their belief systems. I could go on and on.

Hehehehe! I rest my case.

Have a good night.
 
You are confusing two different things because you have already made up in your mind that no matter what I type, it will mean what you want it too.

Just because he is mimicking sound for a desired effect does not mean he is not counting etc. Hell we have horses that can count. This does not in any way mean they are communicating like humans can and do.

I mean really the bird is not holding a conversation. It is answering questions it has been asked many times before. I mean I have a parrot, they are very smart for an animal. They are still just an animal.

You do realize that humans learn language through mimicking the sounds of other humans, right? Those parrots are demonstrating the exact same language skill set of a human toddler. You can't hold a conversation with a toddler, but they are still human.
 
Hehehehe! I rest my case.

Have a good night.

You had a case? I'm still waiting to hear it. So far all you have done is made an unsubstantiated claim that humans are somehow completely different than animals, to which I have provided evidence demonstrating otherwise. You haven't even provided any evidence to support any claim you have made. I have made a case, which you have some problems with, but you have not presented any case of your own.
 
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You do realize that humans learn language through mimicking the sounds of other humans, right? Those parrots are demonstrating the exact same language skill set of a human toddler.

Except the human toddler will go far beyond mimicking the sounds and into complex language.

You can't hold a conversation with a toddler, but they are still human.

And this somehow makes animals humans as well? :lol:

Logic man, logic.
 
You had a case? I'm still waiting to hear it. So far all you have done is made an unsubstantiated claim that humans are somehow completely different than animals, to which I have provided evidence demonstrating otherwise. You haven't even provided any evidence to support any claim you have made.

Well get a few monkeys and dogs to type a responce, that would go a long way in proving your point. Better yet I can give you my phone number and you can have a parrot call me. :lamo

I don't need to provide evidence that animals are far less than human. It's common sense.

Ok really, you have a good night.
 
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Except the human toddler will go far beyond mimicking the sounds and into complex language.

Wow, this statement is so lacking in even a basis understanding of developmental psychology that I don't even know why I am bothering with you. Go. Go believe the world is flat and the center of the universe.

And this somehow makes animals humans as well? :lol:

No. The fact that you would argue that the ability to hold a conversation somehow makes someone human was absurd. Your weak assed attempt to distort what I say is noted, but you take pride in your lack of basic logical abilities, so whatever. There is no hope for you and I give up trying.
 
Sorry, but I think there is sufficient evidence that high religiosity is a thought disorder. There are delusions, such as beliefs in talking serpents and boats with two of every animal, that are accepted even when presented with evidence to the contrary. There are hallucinations, which the highly religous call "prayer" and they even often claim that they hear auditory responses from an invisible source. There is a level of harm to self or others that the highly religious possess as is evidenced by the fact that they may fly planes into buildings or starve themselves for their irrational beliefs. There is a disorder of thoughts as is evidenced by the circular logic that is often employed to defend their belief systems. I could go on and on.

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And... stating that folks who are religous suffer from thought disorders is both baiting and flaming. Do not do this again.
 
If I found a kitten, would you agree that all animals are far less than human? <---- That is how silly that argument is.

I'll ask you the same question. If I find a child who was born with mental retardation and he did not understand how to obey laws, appreciate art, or understand humor, would that mean he is not human?

I don't know what is funnier, that at first you argue that those are the traits that make us human or that later you equate them to a dog's bark. :roll:

I just want anyone who reads this thread to know exactly how weak and pathetic your logic is.
 
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And... stating that folks who are religous suffer from thought disorders is both baiting and flaming. Do not do this again.

Actually, I'm planning on starting a thread about it in the near future. However, as requested I will not discuss it again in this thread.
 
You do realize that humans learn language through mimicking the sounds of other humans, right? Those parrots are demonstrating the exact same language skill set of a human toddler. You can't hold a conversation with a toddler, but they are still human.

Your main problem with this argument is that the initial mode of learning communication is not what we are limited to, as a species. The parrot is simply mimicking sounds, it may learn to do it in context of certain situations, but is not conscious of anything other than this sound happens at this time so that's when i will do it. Not so with humans, or understanding grows well beyond this stage.
 
Let's start here.

This implies that you believe that no other species possess human level language capabilities.

No other species does have the ability of complex lanquage that humans do.

We go back further...

This implies that you believe the very ability to communicate is unique to humans.

No it doesn't. This implies that the level of our ability defines us. It in no way implies that all other species have no ability at all.
 
I'll ask you the same question. If I find a child who was born with mental retardation and he did not understand how to obey laws, appreciate art, or understand humor, would that mean he is not human?

I don't know what is funnier, that at first you argue that those are the traits that make us human or that later you equate them to a dog's bark. :roll:

I just want anyone who reads this thread to know exactly how weak and pathetic your logic is.
Maybe when non-human animals start manufacturing guns and shooting back, folks will take your arguments more seriously. :roll:

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Maybe when non-human animals start manufacturing guns and shooting back, folks will take your arguments more seriously. :roll:

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He is going to have a parrot call me later today to discuss the ramifications of DDT on birds eggs. The ape was supposed to email me about the rainforest's ecology, but it is only if he gets off Facebook with his BFF.

Besides most animals are firmly against the 2nd amendment. I know, I have conversations with them all the time.
 
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Your main problem with this argument is that the initial mode of learning communication is not what we are limited to, as a species. The parrot is simply mimicking sounds, it may learn to do it in context of certain situations, but is not conscious of anything other than this sound happens at this time so that's when i will do it. Not so with humans, or understanding grows well beyond this stage.

Not until we are about 5 or 6. The fact is you and Blackdog are comparing adult humans to animals. These parrots possess communication abilities equivalent to those of a toddler aged human. I don't know why you guys are refusing to admit that is the case.
 
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Besides most animals are firmly against the 2nd amendment. I know, I have conversations with them all the time.

So what kind of conversation can you have with a 3 year-old? I bet pretty much the equivalent that you could have with Alex the parrot. Keep playing your butt hurt games because I proved you wrong. You only embarrass yourself.
 
He is going to have a parrot call me later today to discuss the ramifications of DDT on birds eggs. The ape was supposed to email me about the rainforest's ecology, but it is only if he gets off Facebook with his BFF.

Besides most animals are firmly against the 2nd amendment. I know, I have conversations with them all the time.

Most of the animals I talk to are against the 3rd Amendment.
 
Not until we are about 5 or 6. The fact is you and Blackdog are comparing adult humans to animals. These parrots possess communication abilities equivalent to those of a toddler aged human. I don't know why you guys are refusing to admit that is the case.

Because it is irrelevant. How many meaningful or deep conversations have you had with a toddler? I mean really until a toddler can contemplate the meaning of life etc, you have no real argument outside of an irrelevant fallacy argument. Humans as they mature go past the "mimicking sound" stage of development. Humans actually understand the nature of what they are saying and more importantly, why. Animals just continue mimicking sound. End of story.
 
So what kind of conversation can you have with a 3 year-old? I bet pretty much the equivalent that you could have with Alex the parrot. Keep playing your butt hurt games because I proved you wrong. You only embarrass yourself.

None. Thank you for making my point.

You are the one calling names and making ridicules irrelevant claims and I am butt hurt? :lamo
 
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Because it is irrelevant. How many meaningful or deep conversations have you had with a toddler? I mean really until a toddler can contemplate the meaning of life etc, you have no real argument outside of an irrelevant fallacy argument. Humans as they mature go past the "mimicking sound" stage of development.

Wow! You figured it out! I only had to repeat it umpteen times! Yes, animals can possess human level capabilities of communication. They don't possess the same capabilities as adult humans, but they do possess capabilities equivalent to that of young humans.

Humans actually understand the nature of what they are saying and more importantly, why. Animals just continue mimicking sound. End of story.

The end of the Alex video proves this statement wrong. End of story.
 
None. Thank you for making my point.

You are the one calling names and making ridicules irrelevant claims and I am butt hurt? :lamo

You always do the game of making faulty logical comparisons when you are feeling butt hurt. It's a regular pattern for you.
 
Wow! You figured it out! I only had to repeat it umpteen times! Yes, animals can possess human level capabilities of communication. They don't possess the same capabilities as adult humans, but they do possess capabilities equivalent to that of young humans.

They do not posses the same communications skills as a human, not even close. You are trying to compare a child to an animal to make them more human. That is fail.

And no I did not "figure it out." I knew from the beginning what your illogical fallacy argument was. It is still the same silly argument. I did reply with the correct answer showing how stupid your comparison is.

The end of the Alex video proves this statement wrong. End of story.

No it does not. It shows a parrot can mimic human sound when taught by humans.

PS still waiting for an animal, any animal to call me or email me. Oh they can't? I wonder why?
 
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They do not posses the same communications skills as a human, not even close. You are trying to compare a child to an animal to make them more human. That is fail.

The fact is that they do.

No it does not. It shows a parrot can mimic human sound when taught by humans.

How so? A parrot can look at a novel collection of objects, distinguish what is a block and what is green and only count the things in that collection which possess those qualities. That means that the parrot understood what "green" meant and what "block" meant. Then he counted them correctly indicating he knows what "two" means and has an understanding of counting. Younger human children, such as two year-olds, would not posses that ability to understand words. You are being willfully ignorant as usual even when presented with evidence that you can't contradict.

Or maybe you just don't possess the ability to understand why that is significant.

PS still waiting for an animal, any animal to call me or email me. Oh they can't? I wonder why?

Because they possess the equivalent communication abilities of human toddlers not human adults. We have already covered this. Now you are just being felicitous because you are butt hurt.
 
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Not until we are about 5 or 6. The fact is you and Blackdog are comparing adult humans to animals. These parrots possess communication abilities equivalent to those of a toddler aged human. I don't know why you guys are refusing to admit that is the case.

No, what I am doing is comparing humans to animals. We don't stop at that stage of communicative development, the parrot does. We continue to develop so that our ability to communicate far exceeds any other animals. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
 
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