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Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

Is it OK for Blacks to Bash Whites for Comedy Purposes?

  • Yes

    Votes: 54 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 16 22.9%
  • Total voters
    70
whysoserious said:
, it takes generations for society to rectify the situation.
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1. especially when those who were oppressed do nothing to help themselves, except sit back and wait for society to fix them.
 
OscarB63 said:
1. especially when those who were oppressed do nothing to help themselves, except sit back and wait for society to fix them.
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Is that not kind of part of the problem? In reading Tipping Point and other books, it seems one of the greatest reasons for procrastination is a lack of understanding where to start on a problem and how to tackle it overall. Considering they were oppressed, many were uneducated and it takes a while for the education gap to close. Are we getting it yet?
 
whysoserious said:
Is that not kind of part of the problem? In reading Tipping Point and other books, it seems one of the greatest reasons for procrastination is a lack of understanding where to start on a problem and how to tackle it overall. Considering they were oppressed, many were uneducated and it takes a while for the education gap to close. Are we getting it yet?
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In addition, populations with a history of emphasis on education and success pass that down from generation to generation. Black Americans do not have that history in the United States. It doesn't take a few Civil Rights Acts and 40 years to establish that tradition.
 
Yes, but it's also just as "ok" for white comedians to bash blacks because we have the First Amendment. I personally find racism offensive, though.
 
If it doesn't offend somebody, it isn't as funny.
 
Sure, as long as whites can bash blacks for comedy...
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Interesting.... Have whites been subject to lynchings by blacks in the US?
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Normally I don't respond to dubious posts but in your case I'll make an exception. Crossing the line, to me, is anything that goes from being funny to being offensive. Your false parallel makes you seem suspicious at best. If you thought before you posted, you'd know that there are many racist slurs that affect every race and group and cross the line. Trying to say that lynching of blacks is the standard of what crosses the line for all races is an amateur move. There are a great deal other things that cross the line and to deny it would be the mark of a fool.Interesting?
 
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theplaydrive said:
In addition, populations with a history of emphasis on education and success pass that down from generation to generation. Black Americans do not have that history in the United States. It doesn't take a few Civil Rights Acts and 40 years to establish that tradition.
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If not African Americans because of practices imposed upon blacks 150 years ago, then where in the world do people of African descent have that tradition?
 
Wake said:
Normally I don't respond to dubious posts but in your case I'll make an exception. Crossing the line, to me, is anything that goes from being funny to being offensive. Your false parallel makes you seem suspicious at best. If you thought before you posted, you'd know that there are many racist slurs that affect every race and group and cross the line. Trying to say that lynching of blacks is the standard of what crosses the line for all races is an amateur move. There are a great deal other things that cross the line and to deny it would be the mark of a fool.Interesting?
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Actually, his point goes hand in hand with what you just said. You think that crossing the line is going from funny to offensive. "Offensive" varies from person to person. Moreover, in the United States, the line of being offensive is probably easier to cross for a white comedian than a black comedian because of the history of racism in this country (which Mr. Invisible was pointing to).
 
RiverDad said:
If not African Americans because of practices imposed upon blacks 150 years ago, then where in the world do people of African descent have that tradition?
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What's the point you're trying to make? Is this another one of your attempts to say that blacks are inherently less intelligent than whites 'cause that's getting old?
 
theplaydrive said:
What's the point you're trying to make?
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I'm asking you to defend your thesis statement - "Black Americans do not have that history in the United States. It doesn't take a few Civil Rights Acts and 40 years to establish that tradition."

That's testable. If it is American society which is the cause of African Americans not having "that history" in the United States, then you should have no problem in showing us other black nations where there is a rich history of their citizens having "that history."

Do I really need to spell this out for you? You're asserting a cause and effect relationship. The cause, you assert, is that American society has robbed the black community in the US of this cultural feature. This being the case, when we look at other cultures then we remove the cause you assert is instrumental in creating the effect. By removing the cause, US culture, you should find ample evidence of black cultures all around the world which have rich traditions of valuing education and scholarship.
 
Hatuey said:
Most jews today weren't in concentration camps either. I dare you to make jokes about the holocaust. ;)
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Just in case no one else said this joke.

Whats the difference between a Jew and a Pizza? Pizza doesn't scream when you put it in the oven.
 
theplaydrive said:
What's the point you're trying to make? Is this another one of your attempts to say that blacks are inherently less intelligent than whites 'cause that's getting old?
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Do you really think evolution left the overall intelligence of all races equally the same? Did evolution leave all variations of canine with equal intelligence? I thought rationalists followed science. IF science supports the notion that the overall intelligence of all races is NOT equal, then people should not pretend that we are all equal. People who believe in science should follow truth---not fantasy.
 
RiverDad said:
I'm asking you to defend your thesis statement - "Black Americans do not have that history in the United States. It doesn't take a few Civil Rights Acts and 40 years to establish that tradition."

That's testable. If it is American society which is the cause of African Americans not having "that history" in the United States, then you should have no problem in showing us other black nations where there is a rich history of their citizens having "that history."

Do I really need to spell this out for you? You're asserting a cause and effect relationship. The cause, you assert, is that American society has robbed the black community in the US of this cultural feature. This being the case, when we look at other cultures then we remove the cause you assert is instrumental in creating the effect. By removing the cause, US culture, you should find ample evidence of black cultures all around the world which have rich traditions of valuing education and scholarship.
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Your indulging in a fallacy here, it's not an either-or situation.

And of course, your implication here that the level of scholarly success among blacks is dependent upon their race is a bit stupid too.
 
Jamesrage, as advice from one who appreciates your presence, I'd say you should delete that joke.
 
Wake said:
People who believe in science should follow truth---not fantasy.
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And science says overwhelmingly that intelligence does NOT vary among "races" - which don't even exist as distinct groups according to "science". So if you believe that intelligence varies with race, then you've just put yourself in the fantasy category.
 
spud_meister said:
Your indulging in a fallacy here, it's not an either-or situation.
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I'm not engaging in any fallacy, I'm simply asking theplaydrive to provide evidence for his cause-effect hypothesis.

And of course, your implication here that the level of scholarly success among blacks is dependent upon their race is a bit stupid too.
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My implication? That's theplaydrive's position.
 
theplaydrive said:
And science says overwhelmingly that intelligence does NOT vary among "races" - which don't even exist as distinct groups according to "science". So if you believe that intelligence varies with race, then you've just put yourself in the fantasy category.
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Both of those claims are disproven. You're the one who is talking fantasy.
 
RiverDad said:
I'm asking you to defend your thesis statement - "Black Americans do not have that history in the United States. It doesn't take a few Civil Rights Acts and 40 years to establish that tradition."

That's testable. If it is American society which is the cause of African Americans not having "that history" in the United States, then you should have no problem in showing us other black nations where there is a rich history of their citizens having "that history."

Do I really need to spell this out for you? You're asserting a cause and effect relationship. The cause, you assert, is that American society has robbed the black community in the US of this cultural feature. This being the case, when we look at other cultures then we remove the cause you assert is instrumental in creating the effect. By removing the cause, US culture, you should find ample evidence of black cultures all around the world which have rich traditions of valuing education and scholarship.
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Eh, the test is that historical emphasis on education in other cultures resulted in higher levels of education. You want me to test my argument about black Americans against other people of African descent as if "race" is a legitimate potential cause of the disparity. It's not - so if you're concerned with trying to prove or disprove that something is inherently lacking in blacks, you're going to have to do it for yourself because in most of the educated world, innate differences among "races" are not considered valid explanations for education disparities.
 
RiverDad said:
Both of those claims are disproven. You're the one who is talking fantasy.
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Actually, they're not. You just think they are because you live in an alternate reality.
 
TDZ said:
We see it on TV and in the movies everyday. A black comedian or a black sitcom or a black movie. They move directly into bashing on whites, calling them honkies, crackers and other derogatory terms. Often times they'll have whites appear to be ignorant about the world around them and so on.

They're are even stations, BET, that tailor a large segment of their broadcasts are directed right at this type of comedy.

So, should this be allowed or is this another type of racism? Should whites be allowed to launch all white networks, such as WET, that target their jokes towards blacks?

Keep in mind, blacks use the term "cracker" and "honkie" (recently heard Kid Rock use Honkie) all the time, when's the last time you heard a modern movie where a white used the "N" word?
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Yes any comedian should be allowed to say what ever jokes they want regardless if they are extremely offensive and or racist in nature. And if a group of white people wanted to form WET network then they should be able to. I am against racism and I do not believe in racial stereotypes but at the same time since I have a messed up sense of humor I will laugh at jokes that are racist or border on racism,jokes that are disgusting, and jokes that are ****ed up and I could care less if someone wants a to form a white,black,Hispanic or what ever entertainment network. However if someone is going to scream racist,bigot or what ever the hell else better make sure they are not doing those things themselves or condoning that type of stuff from people who happen to have the same color of skin they have like the race parasites like Al Sharton and Jesse Jackson.
 
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@spud:If you need help, I'm here. Though it is rather simple.Some say evolution magically gave all races equal overall intelligence. I haven't reached a conclusion, so I question that. One can reason that science can be distorted for political gain and if you deny the possibility of that you've essentially beheaded yourself in terms of credibility.I look at both claims.Prove it, damn it.
 
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theplaydrive said:
Actually, they're not. You just think they are because you live in an alternate reality.
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You can have the last word on this topic because I don't want to derail this thread. I've provided evidence which falsified both of your claims in other threads. To your first false claim, the racial IQ gap is not disputed by any scientist who deals with this issue, the only dispute that remains in centered on causality. To your second false claim, computer programs can sort people into racial groups simply be examining the information in the genetic structure of an individual.

Now go ahead and howl at the moon in response and then let's return tot he topic of the thread.
 
RiverDad said:
To your first false claim, the racial IQ gap is not disputed by any scientist who deals with this issue, the only dispute that remains in centered on causality.
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I'm not disputing the existence of an IQ gap. I'm disputing the idea that the cause of the gap can be linked to innate differences between races.

To your second false claim, computer programs can sort people into racial groups simply be examining the information in the genetic structure of an individual.
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No ****, but races aren't biologically distinct categories.

Does Race Exist?: Scientific American

The full article is somewhere else online, but it supports my point and yours (which I never disagreed with).
 
To your first false claim, the racial IQ gap is not disputed by any scientist who deals with this issue, the only dispute that remains in centered on causality.
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The racial IQ gap does not exist because race does not exist in any meaningful scientific form.
 
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