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Is it Ok for Black Comedians to Bash Whites?

Is it OK for Blacks to Bash Whites for Comedy Purposes?

  • Yes

    Votes: 54 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 16 22.9%
  • Total voters
    70
Wake said:
Do you really think that evolution created this plethora of differences within the races, yet magically didn't touch one iota of intellect?

I haven't seen conclusive proof of either or. Ergo, that valid question will always remain.
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Right, but you have the premise. Usually, after the premise comes some sort of proof that allows you to lead to a conclusion. It's a non non sequitur.

"If African Americans have lower IQs that Asian Americans and Caucasians, then African Americans must also have less mental capacity to learn". That's your premise and your conclusion, and I am not sure that would hold up. And in terms of evolution, I am sure that are minute differences between races and cultures.
 
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spud_meister said:
But you said that different traits over an area don't make a race, and here you're saying it does, that genetic isolation makes breeds in dogs, but nor races in humans, make up your mind already. Or perhaps it's the level of genetic difference, so if I were to breed a Labrador with a Chihuahua, and then keep breeding the offspring which Chihuahuas, at what specific level of genetic similarity would it stop being a Labrador x Chihuahua and become a Chihuahua?
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When it starts to display the general characteristics of the Chihuahua breed as defined by some club. That is, whenever one of the clubs says it is a Chihuahua. There is no bright red line that separates this Lab/Chihuahua mix from a Chihuahua. Breeds are not classified based on science. The clubs create the categories based on the collective opinions of their members. It's highly subjective. This is why you have different clubs that disagree on the classifications.
 
whysoserious said:
Right, but you have the premise. Usually, after the premise comes some sort of proof that allows you to lead to a conclusion. It's a non non sequitur.

"If African Americans have lower IQs that Asian Americans and Caucasians, then African Americans must also have less mental capacity to learn". That's your premise and your conclusion, and I am not sure that would hold up.
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Tell me what you think the premise is.

There is no conclusive scientific proof. Why do you thinkI haven't taken a side? I hope both sides are ready for questioning.

My premise is that it hasn't been proven or disproven that evolution left all races' intellects equal. Like God and logic in which it's "probable" that God doesn't exist in their scheme of things, so too is it "probable" that your belief in evolution didn't realize to be politically correct.

African Americans may have less average intellect than other races like the Chinese. Did I say all? No. Perhaps looking at the technological advances of all races/civilizations from the beginning of written history can be looked upon as an indicator of sorts? The Aboriginees of Australia are still not that advanced; China was advanced thousands of years ago. Why are some racial civilizations not as advanced as others? Why did some racial civilizations like China develop so damnably quicker than others? Sure, there're many factors, but I think it'd be a bit assumptuous to think evolution couldn't of ever played a hand in intelligence. It certainly did with man vs animals and with different breeds of certain animals.
 
Wake said:
Can anyone provide empirical evidence that evolution left the overall intellect of all races absolutely equal? What can you say about the Chinese with their civilizational progress many thousands of years ago? And if race supposedly doesn't exist, how can you argue that evolution blessed everyone with absolutely equal intellect?
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It's you who needs to provide evidence that the mental capacity of races is unequal. The null hypothesis is that mental capacity is equal because there is not yet any reason to believe otherwise. If you intend to deviate from the null hypothesis, you need to provide the evidence.
 
theplaydrive said:
It's you who needs to provide evidence that the mental capacity of races is unequal. The null hypothesis is that mental capacity is equal because there is not yet any reason to believe otherwise. If you intend to deviate from the null hypothesis, you need to provide the evidence.
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Repeating yourself won't help you.

I haven't made either claim, ergo, the burden of proof isn't on me, but you.

You believe, from what I observe, that evolution didn't touch the IQ of races.

Apropos, you prove it.
 
Wake said:
Repeating yourself won't help you.

I haven't made either claim, ergo, the burden of proof isn't on me, but you.

You believe, from what I observe, that evolution didn't touch the IQ of races.

Apropos, you prove it.
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How am I repeating myself when I've never made this comment before?

Again, the burden of proof is not on me or anyone else who accepts the null hypothesis. Let me explain how the world works: We believe things until we have reason to believe otherwise. There is not yet any reason to believe that people of certain ancestry have lower mental capacities than those of other mental capacities. So show me evidence that I should even consider you question and you'll get an answer. In other words, you have yet to prove that your question is worth considering.
 
theplaydrive said:
How am I repeating myself when I've never made this comment before?

Again, the burden of proof is not on me or anyone else who accepts the null hypothesis. Let me explain how the world works: We believe things until we have reason to believe otherwise. There is not yet any reason to believe that people of certain ancestry have lower mental capacities than those of other mental capacities. So show me evidence that I should even consider you question and you'll get an answer. In other words, you have yet to prove that your question is worth considering.
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You said "you need to provide" and "null hypothesis" twice. I can't say I haven't been guilty of doing it in the past so I'll excuse it.

My world is that you don't believe things without absolute proof. You cannot prove that evolution didn't touch IQ, so you cling to the fallacy that the reverse must be true. If you believe a belief because there's no evidence to the contrary, then you've made a mistake.
 
whysoserious said:
Is that not kind of part of the problem? In reading Tipping Point and other books, it seems one of the greatest reasons for procrastination is a lack of understanding where to start on a problem and how to tackle it overall. Considering they were oppressed, many were uneducated and it takes a while for the education gap to close. Are we getting it yet?
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again...how many generations are we going to allow them to use that excuse? how many decades do we have to wait before they take responsibility for themselves?
 
Wake said:
You said "you need to provide" and "null hypothesis" twice. I can't say I haven't been guilty of doing it in the past so I'll excuse it.
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You'll "excuse it"? Who are you? LOL

My world is that you don't believe things without absolute proof.
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Absolute proof doesn't exist for anything, so your world doesn't exist and now I see the root of the problem. We live in alternate realities.
 
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OscarB63 said:
again...how many generations are we going to allow them to use that excuse? how many decades do we have to wait before they take responsibility for themselves?
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Well currently for African Americans it has been around... what? ... two generations? Maybe less before discrimination started to fade enough to make the game a bit more fair. How impatient are we going to be?
 
OscarB63 said:
again...how many generations are we going to allow them to use that excuse? how many decades do we have to wait before they take responsibility for themselves?
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How does acknowledging history and reality take away personal responsibility?
 
theplaydrive said:
Absolute proof doesn't exist for anything, so your world doesn't exist and now I see the root of the problem. We live in alternate realities.
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So you don't even consider the question?

Even if there was proof?

Odd. I thought the scientifically minded were to be open to proof from both sides of a question.
 
tessaesque said:
There is no absolute equal in anything, evolution or otherwise. That also means that within any specific ethnic classification there will be variants, deviations, and averages. And regionally, you'll see even more convolution.

That also means there is no absolute perfect test for intelligence. Evolutionary and cultural differences will skew the mean. As many posts as RiverDad has made about IQs for blacks being lower, he's never been able to acknowledge that there are just as many (if not more) studies which show beyond question that those IQ tests were an inaccurate measure of intelligence due to a failure to adjust for cultural variations.
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Okay, how about the notion of not "acting white"?

Race and intelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
theplaydrive said:
How does acknowledging history and reality take away personal responsibility?
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when it is allowed to be used as a crutch and an excuse to not do anything. my ancestors were oppressed and worse, I don't use that as an excuse to be a POS
 
Wake said:
So you don't even consider the question?

Even if there was proof?

Odd. I thought the scientifically minded were to be open to proof from both sides of a question.
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Where did I say that? I'm starting to get tired of people arguing against what they wish I said instead of what I said.

Also, have you accepted that absolute proof doesn't exist in our universe.
 
Yes. I think we all comedians should be wide open in creating funny stereotypes and trends and culture differences etc., Just be creative and funny.
 
theplaydrive said:
How does acknowledging history and reality take away personal responsibility?
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What you're calling reality is nothing more than an excuse. If anything, since then they have had reverse-racism to help them catch up, e.g., black scholarships. I'm not throwing any pity parties for anyone. I went from a single mother on welfare to upper-middle class before even going on to grad school...and don't try to feed me any BS that being white helped me.
 
theplaydrive said:
Where did I say that? I'm starting to get tired of people arguing against what they wish I said instead of what I said.

Also, have you accepted that absolute proof doesn't exist in our universe.
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So show me evidence that I should even consider you question and you'll get an answer. In other words, you have yet to prove that your question is worth considering.

Absolute proof doesn't exist for anything, which is absolutely ironic because here we have people arguing over beliefs that have not been absolutely proven.

I have another question.

Do you also think evolution didn't touch the physical capabilities of all races? That all races are, in general terms, equal in physical terms? Can you tell the class exactly what evolution did and didn't touch among all races so we can see what is indeed absolutely equal among races?
 
OscarB63 said:
when it is allowed to be used as a crutch and an excuse to not do anything. my ancestors were oppressed and worse, I don't use that as an excuse to be a POS
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I don't recall WSS or anyone else saying that black history and current discrimination excuses people from "doing anything". It's an explanation for why people don't do something. Each of us has an explanation behind all of our actions. Just as it would be absolutely ridiculous to not acknowledge that the success of many Asians is strongly influenced by their centuries old history of emphasizing the importance of education and respect for elders/family, it would be absolutely ridiculous to not acknowledge that the failure of many blacks in society is due their own history.
 
Mathematician said:
What you're calling reality is nothing more than an excuse. If anything, since then they have had reverse-racism to help them catch up, e.g., black scholarships. I'm not throwing any pity parties for anyone. I went from a single mother on welfare to upper-middle class before even going on to grad school...and don't try to feed me any BS that being white helped me.
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Interesting point. I'm black and I hate affirmative action. I worked damned hard, was homeschooled and kept away from the ghetto mentality by keeping my head in the books, and refused free benefits just because I was black. I think competence should be the primary factor in the academic world; race shouldn't be a factor on who gets accepted into Yale, etc.
 
Wake said:
So show me evidence that I should even consider you question and you'll get an answer. In other words, you have yet to prove that your question is worth considering.
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No, show me where I said this part of it. Show me where I said I wouldn't consider the question even if there was proof. And show me where I said that I wasn't open to proof from "both sides of the question." I'll wait.

Wake said:
So you don't even consider the question?

Even if there was proof?

Odd. I thought the scientifically minded were to be open to proof from both sides of a question.
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I have another question.
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I'll answer your questions when you show me where I said the above because I'm not wasting my time with someone who's going to distort every answer that I give.
 
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Mathematician said:
What you're calling reality is nothing more than an excuse. If anything, since then they have had reverse-racism to help them catch up, e.g., black scholarships. I'm not throwing any pity parties for anyone. I went from a single mother on welfare to upper-middle class before even going on to grad school...and don't try to feed me any BS that being white helped me.
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Anybody who uses the term "reverse racism" has no credibility in this discussion. Racism is racism.

Also, the fact that you don't think there are realities like say discrimination and unequal education systems don't impact the black population shows your ignorance on the issue. And before someone says that education is equal "everywhere". It's not. Here you go: http://www.edtrust.org/sites/edtrust.org/files/publications/files/FundingGap2005.pdf
 
Wake said:
Interesting point. I'm black and I hate affirmative action. I worked damned hard, was homeschooled and kept away from the ghetto mentality by keeping my head in the books, and refused free benefits just because I was black. I think competence should be the primary factor in the academic world; race shouldn't be a factor on who gets accepted into Yale, etc.
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Thank you for realizing that effort on one's own part is the most important factor in success and then actually taking action. Far too many want to make excuses for poor planning and/or lack of true effort.
 
theplaydrive said:
No, show me where I said this oart of it. Show me where I said I wouldn't consider the question even if there was proof. And show me where I said that I wasn't open to proof from "both sides of the question." I'll wait.




I'll answer your questions when you show me where I said the above because I'm not wasting my time with someone who's going to distort every answer that I give.
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Your own words: So show me evidence that I should even consider you question and you'll get an answer. In other words, you have yet to prove that your question is worth considering
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Let's not muddy the waters. You imply that my question isn't even worth considering. That's unwise.

Then I responded by asking that, if there was proof for either side of the question, if you would still consider it. I never said that if there was proof to either side of the question that you wouldn't consider it; that notion came from you.

If you're going to claim distortion, first realize that you distorted my post by claiming that I said you wouldn't consider either side of a question that had proof hanging from it.

 
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theplaydrive said:
I don't recall WSS or anyone else saying that black history and current discrimination excuses people from "doing anything". It's an explanation for why people don't do something. Each of us has an explanation behind all of our actions. Just as it would be absolutely ridiculous to not acknowledge that the success of many Asians is strongly influenced by their centuries old history of emphasizing the importance of education and respect for elders/family, it would be absolutely ridiculous to not acknowledge that the failure of many blacks in society is due their own history.
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bull ****ing ****. if you are a failure in today's society, you have no one to blame but yourself. what? because your great great grandfather was a slave, that makes you too lazy to apply for a scholarship from the united negro college fund? because your grandmother had to ride on the back of the bus, you can't be bothered to do your homework or pay attention in class?

spare me the excuses and pity party
 
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