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Should people in jail have to pay for their incarceration if they have the means?

Should people in jail have to pay for their incarceration if they have the means?


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Why should taxpayers have to pay for O.J. Simpson's incarceration? Martha Stewart's? Your own when you're thrown in jail for drunk driving? I say that if one has personal assets to cover their own incarceration costs, that should be part of the punishment. If they don't have the assets, no harm. But why should taxpayers pay to incarcerate someone who's broken the law?

Should people in jail have to pay for their incarceration if they have the means?
 
No. We pay because we are responsible for our own safety. We can't demand a service without paying for it.
 
Why should taxpayers have to pay for O.J. Simpson's incarceration? Martha Stewart's? Your own when you're thrown in jail for drunk driving? I say that if one has personal assets to cover their own incarceration costs, that should be part of the punishment. If they don't have the assets, no harm. But why should taxpayers pay to incarcerate someone who's broken the law?

Should people in jail have to pay for their incarceration if they have the means?

It seems wrong in ways I cannot explain. :shrug:
 
No, however I have no problems with inmates having to work for no pay that would go towards the state to help pay for their incarceration.
 
THe answer no immediately came to mind. Should we imprison his teachers who failed to learn him an occupation?
 
Definately not

It makes the potential abuse far to great

Lets say the local government is alittle short on tax revenues for the year, so they set up a quota for a number of arrests and convictions to confiscate the property of people and make them pay inflated rates for their incarceration. The number of false arrests and convictions would sky rocket while the local government gains revenue without raisig taxes
 
No, because it adds an additional punishment to the sentence, one which is automatic if its law, to criminals for no other reason than they have wealth. But another individual who committed the same crime will get off relatively easier, thats not fairness under the law.
 
No, however I have no problems with inmates having to work for no pay that would go towards the state to help pay for their incarceration.

This would work out way better than having people pay for their incarceration IMO.
 
Society needs to bear the cost of putting people in prison. It provides an important check against overly strict laws. If you complain about spending too much money on prisons, that is a sign that you are sending too many people away.
 
Hmm. Well, I definitely think that they should NOT have to pay for the guards and the upkeep of the prison itself, since those are things that society (not the convict) wants. But I'm a little more torn on whether or not they should have to pay for their own room and board. After all, they'd have those expenses anyway, even if they weren't in prison.

Although in theory I can't see anything wrong with making them pay for their room/board, in practice I agree that there is a potential for abuse, so perhaps it would be best if we just didn't go down that road at all.
 
It would be an interesting experiment to try but I feel that the end result would be that said prisoner would be in Debtor's Prison thus creating the motivation to steal in order to paid said debts thus creating a vicious cycle.
 
No, however I have no problems with inmates having to work for no pay that would go towards the state to help pay for their incarceration.

They don't do this already? There's so much I don't know.
 
This question already has an answer. I went to jail for two days for fighting. Because I said I had a job I had to pay for my time in there. Not only that any money you have with you when you go to jail they take from you and keep. however if a crackhead goes to jail with no job or money they get a free ride.
 
First, they should have to support their families.
Second, they should pay reparations and damages to the victims of their crimes.
Third, they can pay for some accommodations of their incarceration.
 
No. We pay because we are responsible for our own safety. We can't demand a service without paying for it.

We can't demand a service without paying. Okay.

Don't inmates demand that they be kept safe from those who want to kill them?
Don't inmates demand they be fed 3 meals a day?
Don't inmates demand they be given clean clothes?
Don't inmates demand they be given health care? (Heart transplant anyone?)
Don't inmates demand they be driven around from the courthouse to the jail to the prison vs. walking it?
Don't inmates demand access to a phone?
Don't inmates demand cable TV & Movies?

So tell me, why should we pay for their demands when they don't pay for our demands?

How about this:

We pay for their demands because it keeps us safe. They in turn pay for our demands because it keeps us happy.

**F*ck them, they commit a crime and are convicted, seize their assets and sell 'em off. Use the money to support the prison systems and if there is any left over give it to the taxpayers as a bonus to their refund. Profit sharing anyone?
 
We can't demand a service without paying. Okay.

Don't inmates demand that they be kept safe from those who want to kill them?
Don't inmates demand they be fed 3 meals a day?
Don't inmates demand they be given clean clothes?
Don't inmates demand they be given health care? (Heart transplant anyone?)
Don't inmates demand they be driven around from the courthouse to the jail to the prison vs. walking it?
Don't inmates demand access to a phone?
Don't inmates demand cable TV & Movies?

So tell me, why should we pay for their demands when they don't pay for our demands?

How about this:

We pay for their demands because it keeps us safe. They in turn pay for our demands because it keeps us happy.
1. Inmates usually pay for a lot of their extras by working in prison.
2. We pay for their basic needs, which is pretty much everything you listed, because we're the ones who want a system that keeps us safe. And no, they don't demand the stuff you're listing. They don't demand to to be driven around from the courthouse, they don't demand access to a phone, they don't demand to be fed. These are basic, practical needs that ensure our justice system is more civilized as most Americans want it to be.

**F*ck them, they commit a crime and are convicted, seize their assets and sell 'em off. Use the money to support the prison systems and if there is any left over give it to the taxpayers as a bonus to their refund. Profit sharing anyone?
I don't want people like you in my country.
 
We can't demand a service without paying. Okay.

Don't inmates demand that they be kept safe from those who want to kill them?
Don't inmates demand they be fed 3 meals a day?
Don't inmates demand they be given clean clothes?
Don't inmates demand they be given health care? (Heart transplant anyone?)
Don't inmates demand they be driven around from the courthouse to the jail to the prison vs. walking it?
Don't inmates demand access to a phone?
Don't inmates demand cable TV & Movies?

So tell me, why should we pay for their demands when they don't pay for our demands?

How about this:

We pay for their demands because it keeps us safe. They in turn pay for our demands because it keeps us happy.

**F*ck them, they commit a crime and are convicted, seize their assets and sell 'em off. Use the money to support the prison systems and if there is any left over give it to the taxpayers as a bonus to their refund. Profit sharing anyone?

Dude, we don't do stuff like that no matter the crime. We have to have some degree of compssion or we are not human.
 
We can't demand a service without paying. Okay.

Don't inmates demand that they be kept safe from those who want to kill them?
Don't inmates demand they be fed 3 meals a day?
Don't inmates demand they be given clean clothes?
Don't inmates demand they be given health care? (Heart transplant anyone?)
Don't inmates demand they be driven around from the courthouse to the jail to the prison vs. walking it?
Don't inmates demand access to a phone?
Don't inmates demand cable TV & Movies?

So tell me, why should we pay for their demands when they don't pay for our demands?

How about this:

We pay for their demands because it keeps us safe. They in turn pay for our demands because it keeps us happy.

**F*ck them, they commit a crime and are convicted, seize their assets and sell 'em off. Use the money to support the prison systems and if there is any left over give it to the taxpayers as a bonus to their refund. Profit sharing anyone?

And when they get out with nothing to their name you think they aren't going to commit crime to just survive?
 
They should be fined upon sentencing. The fines should additionally be based on their wealth. We don’t fine enough. Paying for incarceration has the potential for abuse, e.g. a better bed if you pay more.
 
To a large extent, many already do. The take prison jobs and sometimes have to buy their own food, toiletries, other necessities etc.
 
So tell me, why should we pay for their demands when they don't pay for our demands?

You're the one that wants them locked up in the first place, why should they pay for it?
How about this:

We pay for their demands because it keeps us safe. They in turn pay for our demands because it keeps us happy.

**F*ck them, they commit a crime and are convicted, seize their assets and sell 'em off. Use the money to support the prison systems and if there is any left over give it to the taxpayers as a bonus to their refund. Profit sharing anyone?

So peoples families should suffer for something they had no involvement in? People should come out of prison with no recourse but crime to support themselves?
 
why don't we just kill them? problem solved.
 
Why should taxpayers have to pay for O.J. Simpson's incarceration? Martha Stewart's? Your own when you're thrown in jail for drunk driving? I say that if one has personal assets to cover their own incarceration costs, that should be part of the punishment. If they don't have the assets, no harm. But why should taxpayers pay to incarcerate someone who's broken the law?

Should people in jail have to pay for their incarceration if they have the means?

That's done in some places actually and I think it's terrible. We pay taxes to run these things, they don't need to steal more money from people they throw into jail. I think it's a bit ridiculous to charge people rent for being in prison.
 
That's done in some places actually and I think it's terrible. We pay taxes to run these things, they don't need to steal more money from people they throw into jail. I think it's a bit ridiculous to charge people rent for being in prison.

I'm baffled here. How is it stealing if we are simply charging them the cost of their incarceration while they are there? Please, explain this to me, perhaps at a level my 5 year old can understand because at 40 I don't get it. What I do get is this:

1. I purchased a home in 2004
2. I took out a loan from a bank to purchase that home.
3. I must make my loan payments each month or the bank will foreclose on the home and eventually sell it to someone else.
4. When the roof leaks I must fix it or pay someone to fix it.
5. When the furnace goes out it's on me.
6. I must pay the utility companies if I want utilities in my home.
7. I must purchase appliances and furniture if I want those things in my home.
8. I must purchase food if I want to cook in my home or go out to eat or hunt and plant a garden or somehow come up with food.

So, now your saying, if I go out and hold a gun up to some guys head and take his money, rape his wife, kill his dog, burn his house, drink his liquor and diddle his cat that I won't have to pay for those things for as long as the judge thinks I should be in jail and that I should receive all those things and expect them as being obligatory simply because I have committed however any crimes it took to get my own self locked up?

Let's review a lesson all of my children know:

1. Every action has an equal & opposite reaction. Yes, physics applies to raising my children.
2. If you commit a wrongful act then you will punish yourself. It is not me grounding them, it is not me placing them in the corner, it is not me smacking their behinds, it is them. I am only the tool that is delivering the punishment.
3. This is called accepting personal responsibility for your actions.

Now, if my kids are grounded does that get them out of their chores or pulling their "fair weight" around the house? Nope, they still gotta do it.

So, why then when someone commits a wrongful act against the general public do we reward them with tons of free stuff and no obligation whatsoever to pay for anything? This is your argument.

I had a guy back in 2002 break into our home (my oldest daughter was 8 months old at the time) while we were home. These guys basically committed a home invasion in all senses of the crime. When we did our research and discovered they owned 2 homes, 1 paid in full and the other over 1/2 way to paid off we went after their arses. Why? Because they deserved it.

The judge sentenced them to prison for burglary and home invasion. We followed up with a nice little civil suit and cleaned them out of the houses. Do I care that the one guy was married and his wife was homeless when we got done with them? Nope, because he should of thought about that when he broke into my house without caring about my family. In the end, I am not the one who made her homeless, he is, through his own actions. I was simply the tool used to carry out the final steps necessary to make it happen.

If people don't want to be resonsible for the cost of incarcerating their spouses then get a divorce.

Personally, I think this idea should go further. We should also make them pay when they get out, if they can't afford it then they have to get a job and make payments with interest until it is paid off.

When you commit a crime I am not making a contract with you that gives you the right to have everything for free. I am not agreeing to loan you the money to live a life that is free of having to pay bills. These guys can work in prison, make it a requirement. Seize their pay until the entire bill is paid off.
 
I'm baffled here. How is it stealing if we are simply charging them the cost of their incarceration while they are there? Please, explain this to me, perhaps at a level my 5 year old can understand because at 40 I don't get it. What I do get is this:

1. I purchased a home in 2004
2. I took out a loan from a bank to purchase that home.
3. I must make my loan payments each month or the bank will foreclose on the home and eventually sell it to someone else.
4. When the roof leaks I must fix it or pay someone to fix it.
5. When the furnace goes out it's on me.
6. I must pay the utility companies if I want utilities in my home.
7. I must purchase appliances and furniture if I want those things in my home.
8. I must purchase food if I want to cook in my home or go out to eat or hunt and plant a garden or somehow come up with food.

So, now your saying, if I go out and hold a gun up to some guys head and take his money, rape his wife, kill his dog, burn his house, drink his liquor and diddle his cat that I won't have to pay for those things for as long as the judge thinks I should be in jail and that I should receive all those things and expect them as being obligatory simply because I have committed however any crimes it took to get my own self locked up?

Let's review a lesson all of my children know:

1. Every action has an equal & opposite reaction. Yes, physics applies to raising my children.
2. If you commit a wrongful act then you will punish yourself. It is not me grounding them, it is not me placing them in the corner, it is not me smacking their behinds, it is them. I am only the tool that is delivering the punishment.
3. This is called accepting personal responsibility for your actions.

Now, if my kids are grounded does that get them out of their chores or pulling their "fair weight" around the house? Nope, they still gotta do it.

So, why then when someone commits a wrongful act against the general public do we reward them with tons of free stuff and no obligation whatsoever to pay for anything? This is your argument.

I had a guy back in 2002 break into our home (my oldest daughter was 8 months old at the time) while we were home. These guys basically committed a home invasion in all senses of the crime. When we did our research and discovered they owned 2 homes, 1 paid in full and the other over 1/2 way to paid off we went after their arses. Why? Because they deserved it.

The judge sentenced them to prison for burglary and home invasion. We followed up with a nice little civil suit and cleaned them out of the houses. Do I care that the one guy was married and his wife was homeless when we got done with them? Nope, because he should of thought about that when he broke into my house without caring about my family. In the end, I am not the one who made her homeless, he is, through his own actions. I was simply the tool used to carry out the final steps necessary to make it happen.

If people don't want to be resonsible for the cost of incarcerating their spouses then get a divorce.

Personally, I think this idea should go further. We should also make them pay when they get out, if they can't afford it then they have to get a job and make payments with interest until it is paid off.

When you commit a crime I am not making a contract with you that gives you the right to have everything for free. I am not agreeing to loan you the money to live a life that is free of having to pay bills. These guys can work in prison, make it a requirement. Seize their pay until the entire bill is paid off.

I don't agree with charging criminals for their stay, against their will. Sounds to much like debtors prison. Lets say a guy is jailed for back child support in this economy, and lacking a job. Should he be charged to stay? And when he can't pay, then what? He stays in prison until he can pay? And why should the rich criminals pay, and not the poor ones?

Sorry if this gets off topic.........

However I give you thumbs up for taking their property, like they were going to do to you.: applaud: rock: agree: thumbs: That should be a law for any crime against a person, maybe handled by victim-witness, and these bums might think twice. Either that, or they would smoke you so you couldn't collect. What do you think about the retaliation possibilities from other gang members or these two when they get out?

IF YOU WOULD, start a thread in the "Off-Topic Discussion" on your experience. Thank you.
 
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