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Herman Cain for president?

Would you vote for Herman Cain for president?

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Alfons said:
Why not, Cain is a true conservative, I like the guy.
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Cain is the onlytrue conservative with his hat in the ring right now...whoops.. I forgot Bachmann, she is one too. I still prefer Cain over her any day. He can turn this economy around in short order. He knows how to run a business and even said that "yes" government can be run like a business contrary to what people say. He also knows who creates jobs and it's not the government. He'll be the best thing that ever happened to small business and the economy.
 
I had planned to watch the GOP FoxNews debate only because I wanted to see how the attendees reacted. Unfortunately, I had a few other things going and forgot to atleast record it.

SheWolf said:
Well, he doesn't seem to be leading in any polls...
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I mentioned in another thread concerning 2012 GOP presidential hopefuls that the nominee is suppose to be selected by FoxNews viewers. As such, the viewers determined that Cain won this first GOP debate.
According to a Fox News Channel focus group of 29 South Carolina voters gathered by Republican pollster Frank Luntz, the runaway winner of the debate was Mr. Cain.
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But notice the headline from the article...

"Pawlenty raps Obama in GOP debate"

Moreover, not even FoxNews gave credit to Cain's debate performance. Yet, by the viewer's choice they viewed Cain as the debate winner!

It's very obvious what's happening here in the early goings of narrowing down the 2012 GOP presidential front-runner: FoxNews is "maneuvering" the candidate of its choice as the front-runner, and so far that candidate is Pawlenty. Granted, this is only the first round of GOP debates, but unless he does something really stupid or either Mitch Daniels or Gov. Christi decides to run, I think Pawlenty will be "pushed out front" to be the 2012 GOP nominee.

Barbbtx said:
He's being ignored in the media and most polls don't even include him. He beats them all in tea party polls.
Here's his bio.

Herman Cain - Presidential Exploratory Committee
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Barbbtx,

We agree. See my comments above.

Hatuey said:
You know for all the bitching I hear Conservatives do about the Liberal elite and our hollywood friends, they sure do like to jerk off right-wing celebrities a lot. Think about. Sarah Palin, Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Denis Miller. The list goes on and on. It's the like the right wing doesn't have an intellectual leader to save it's life.
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In my studies on the rise of the Conservative movement, quite a few things have become clear to me concerning this political movement. However, the one common theme within conservatism that has been a constant for nearly 100 years is that minorities have never been "encouraged" to be front-and-center within the party heiarchy. They've been "allowed" in, but they've always been pushed out on the margins mostly for the sole purpose of canvasing minority votes, i.e., Blacks, Hispanics, women, as needed. I'll say what most Conservatives won't: If you're Black, female, Catholic or a Jew, you'll never get the GOP nomination for the party. Put another way, if you're anything other than a White Male Protestant, your chances of getting the GOP nomination is about 1 billion to one. This isn't racism; it's fact based on the history of the Conservative movement. Simply put, the conservative movement as a whole doesn't believe in "pluralism". Don't believe me? Read the book, "White Protestant Nation". It's a real eye-opener!
 
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Red Crow said:
Thank God he is not a community organizer!!!!:lamo
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Doesn't matter; he's Black. Therefore, the odds are very much against him getting the GOP nomination. Put another way: Herman Cain could be the most conservative man since Ronald Reagan and he'd never get picked to lead the GOP. It just ain't happening.
 
Objective Voice said:
Doesn't matter; he's Black. Therefore, the odds are very much against him getting the GOP nomination. Put another way: Herman Cain could be the most conservative man since Ronald Reagan and he'd never get picked to lead the GOP. It just ain't happening.
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Well.. let's see if your crystal ball is correct.

It's too early to tell yet (IMHO), I am going to wait for June to come around.
 
Red Crow said:
Thank God he is not a community organizer!!!!:lamo
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True, but I think community organizing (on our part) may be in order to get him elected. :) The media sure isn't going to be any help. No way is he going to be the RNC choice either. He's got his work cut out for him but if he's the nominee, Obama's done for.
 
Barbbtx said:
True, but I think community organizing (on our part) may be in order to get him elected. :) The media sure isn't going to be any help. No way is he going to be the RNC choice either. He's got his work cut out for him but if he's the nominee, Obama's done for.
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Here's the post I was referring to earlier concerning the FoxNews 2012 GOP selection process. From the thread, "http://www.debatepolitics.com/bias-media/98472-and-so-begins.html#post1059466123"...

Objective Voice said:
Rather insightful, Demon. Here's something else for you folks on the Right...

YOUR presidential nominee is suppose to be selected by YOU, the FoxNews viewers! That's right!!

According to the authors of the book, "Revolt!", the next Republican presidential nominee is suppose to come through the "viewer selections" process, not the GOP caucuses, not primary voting and not necessarily the debates. YOU are suppose to select that candidate by virtue of staying tuned to FoxNews, listening to the potential candidates, being informed by their position of various matters from energy to foreign and domestic policy to all the other issues those on the Right care deeply about - low taxes, deficit spending, anti-abortion rights, reduced spending for the "nanny-state"...

YOU are suppose to pick YOUR GOP candidate for the Presidency. As such, poll numbers are suppose to help you decide who the most worthy candidate is. Well, The Donald is leading ALL GOP candidates in the polls (or atleast he was until recently), but look at what FoxNews commentators and even Conservative talking heads are doing to him? Most are downplaying Trump, denouncing his viability as a credible presidential candidate. It's no wonder the Right is having such a hard time narrowing down who their GOP pick is. The pool of candidates, though vast, are either too far-right (Palin, Buchmann), are old retreads from days gone by (Gingrich/Huckabee), sound more like who's already in office (Romney) or come across as far-out wack-jobs (Trump, who again is or was leading in GOP polls, Bachmann). The truly viable candidates - Daniels, Christie - either are still mulling over if they'll run or have decided to drop out. But regardless, neither seem very favorable to potential Republican voters. So, YOUR base seems to be in quite a difficult positioin: too many potential candidates and of those who rank high none come across as being very electable.

But YOU have to choose somebody. Who will it be? Stay tuned to FoxNews; I'm sure they'll tell you who to decide on in the coming days ahead.
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I believe it's chapter 4 that outlines the potential GOP presidential candidates. Herman Cain's name isn't among the potential nominees. Just food for thought...

Pick your 2012 candidate wisely, Republicans. Otherwise, you may well leave the best man sitting in the margins...again.
 
Objective Voice said:
Doesn't matter; he's Black. Therefore, the odds are very much against him getting the GOP nomination. Put another way: Herman Cain could be the most conservative man since Ronald Reagan and he'd never get picked to lead the GOP. It just ain't happening.
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You libs got it all wrong. It's blacks who don't embrace the GOP, not the other way around. If the establishment republicans don't vote for him, it won't be because of his skin color. It will be because he is too conservative for them.
 
Objective Voice said:
Here's the post I was referring to earlier concerning the FoxNews 2012 GOP selection process. From the thread, "http://www.debatepolitics.com/bias-media/98472-and-so-begins.html#post1059466123"...



I believe it's chapter 4 that outlines the potential GOP presidential candidates. Herman Cain's name isn't among the potential nominees. Just food for thought...

Pick your 2012 candidate wisely, Republicans. Otherwise, you may well leave the best man sitting in the margins...again.
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I said somewhere here that Fox seemed to be pushing Pawlenty/ Santorum last night. They have given Cain plenty of air time, on Cavuto etc, but they also try to insinuate that he doesn't really have a chance because he doesn't have political experience like Romney for example. Irritates the hec out of me. I felt like Mccain was picked for us in the media. I don't want it to happen again.
 
Barbbtx said:
You libs got it all wrong. It's blacks who don't embrace the GOP, not the other way around. If the establishment republicans don't vote for him, it won't be because of his skin color. It will be because he is too conservative for them.
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I guess from a political philisophical standpoint, there is a difference between being a "Republican" and being a "Conservative". It took until the Reagan presidency for southern Conservative-Democrats to finally be "merged" into the Republican party and there were still some philisophical differences between the GOP and those who were deeply rooted in conservatism some of which still linger 'til this day. While it is true that Blacks did leave the Republican party in droves in the late-50's/early 60's, they did so because they understood that "pluralism" would never truly be fully embraced within the conservative/Republican party. So, from that perspective, no. Blacks as a whole won't rush to become members of the GOP because the history of the party bares out too much "isolationism" except when there is a need to pull minorities in for their vote.

There, too, you might be correct as well in that Republicans may not vote for him either because Cain is very conservative. But that is the dilemma the Right faces concerning him. Do they seek someone from the hard-Right who can push back against Pres. Obama and carry their conservative banner or do that take a chance once again on a Moderate-Republican who may very well lose to him - again?

Pick your candidate wisely...
 
Barbbtx said:
True, but I think community organizing (on our part) may be in order to get him elected. :) The media sure isn't going to be any help. No way is he going to be the RNC choice either. He's got his work cut out for him but if he's the nominee, Obama's done for.
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I'm going to try to say this politely. I'm hearing things from Cain that I like. However, Every time you take a shot at Obama or his party, I feel less inclined to loosen up on my vote grip.
 
Barbbtx said:
I said somewhere here that Fox seemed to be pushing Pawlenty/ Santorum last night. They have given Cain plenty of air time, on Cavuto etc, but they also try to insinuate that he doesn't really have a chance because he doesn't have political experience like Romney for example. Irritates the hec out of me. I felt like Mccain was picked for us in the media. I don't want it to happen again.
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Be ready...if things pan out as I believe they will, get ready to be pissed off again, girlfriend. (Not being sarcastic; just being honest.)
 
Your Star said:
Nope, I've heard him on the radio quite a bit, and I disagree with him on about everything.
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Well of course you would, because he doesn't believe in your socialist welfare state system.
 
BDBoop said:
I'm going to try to say this politely. I'm hearing things from Cain that I like. However, Every time you take a shot at Obama or his party, I feel less inclined to loosen up on my vote grip.
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Because I said if Cain is nominated Obama's done for, is taking a shot?

Ok.... If Cain is the nominee, he will take the presidency from Obama. Is that better?

Glad I didn't say he was Obama's worst nightmare. :)

Cain says he's not big on political correctness, just getting things correct.
 
American said:
Well of course you would, because he doesn't believe in your socialist welfare state system.
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If I was a liberal, listening to a Herman Cain speech, I'd want to wrap my head in duct tape. I can't believe they would agree with him on anything.
 
Barbbtx said:
Because I said if Cain is nominated Obama's done for, is taking a shot?

Ok.... If Cain is the nominee, he will take the presidency from Obama. Is that better?

Glad I didn't say he was Obama's worst nightmare. :)

Cain says he's not big on political correctness, just getting things correct.
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Yeah. It was just a crazy little thought I had that I could maybe give the man a chance, possibly even a vote. What was I thinking? ;)
 
Barbbtx said:
If I was a liberal, listening to a Herman Cain speech, I'd want to wrap my head in duct tape. I can't believe they would agree with him on anything.
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He didn't say anything new, but I liked his approach to Foreign policy. He admitted he would make a decision or even formulate an opinion, without being informed. That says a lot about the man.
 
if he was the republican nominee, absolutely. he remains a far better option to the current Boy King. but in the primary? absolutely not - we've seen what happens when we put people with no governing experience in the White House.
 
cpwill said:
if he was the republican nominee, absolutely. he remains a far better option to the current Boy King. but in the primary? absolutely not - we've seen what happens when we put people with no governing experience in the White House.
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Aside from your grievances with his social platform, what has Obama done wrong?
 
xpiher said:
Aside from your grievances with his social platform, what has Obama done wrong?
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you mean only in the sphere of foreign policy? or are we going to include disastrous economic policies and and a refusal to deal honestly or seriously with the debt crises?
 
xpiher said:
He didn't say anything new, but I liked his approach to Foreign policy. He admitted he would make a decision or even formulate an opinion, without being informed. That says a lot about the man.
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Thank you. Some people found his answer about Afganistan as a poor answer.
They thought he was uninformed about it. (Media was playing that up) What he was saying was he was not privy as a private citizen to all the intel and would not give a specific answer.
 
Barbbtx said:
If I was a liberal, listening to a Herman Cain speech, I'd want to wrap my head in duct tape. I can't believe they would agree with him on anything.
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I wouldn't wrap my head in duct tape, I'd just point out the flaws in his logic.
 
xpiher said:
Aside from your grievances with his social platform, what has Obama done wrong?
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He claimed he would meet with our enemies without preconditions.
He said he would raise Cap Gains even though it would bring in less revenue.
He has lambasted business.
He has played favor with unions/GM.
He's played the race card.
He lost two historic elections; Kennedy and the Midterms and shoved through Obamakare with bribes and parliamentary tricks even though ObiKare was a focus of both elections.
He tells us to buckle down and put some skin in the game and he has a party every three days in the WH, he and his family jaunts all over the globe.
He pisses in the faces of our allies.
He castigates members of the SCOTUS in a STOU speech.
After the Ft. Hood killings he seemed aloof.
The Gulf Oil Spill was bad management, and his administration lied before the court in order to shut down rigs.
He will meet with the Lib press in a closed door session for 2-hours and jet to shows here and there but McChrystal comes from Afghanistan and he gets 25-min.
His spending is beyond the pale.

That's just the very small tip.

I could write for the entire afternoon.

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