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Herman Cain for president?

Would you vote for Herman Cain for president?

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Catawba said:
As I have shown you before, Snopes research has already determined that under the national sales tax plan called "fair" tax that those making under $200,000 will pay more in taxes and those making over $200,000 will pay less in taxes.

In addition:


MONEY finds flaw in 'FairTax' bestseller

"according to the MONEY report, the book fails to make clear that, in order for pre-tax prices to fall so sharply, companies would also have to cut wages they pay.

"Sure, you'd get to 'keep 100 percent of your paycheck,' as Boortz and Linder repeatedly write, but it would be a smaller paycheck," MONEY senior editor Pat Regnier writes. "That's kind of a big thing to leave out."
Money Magazine uncovers flaw in Fair Tax Book - Sep. 7, 2005
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How does the FairTax affect wages and prices?

Americans who produce goods and earn wages must pay significant tax and compliance costs under the current federal income tax. These taxes and costs both reduce after-tax wages and profits and are then passed on to the consumers of those goods and services in the form of price increases. When the FairTax removes income, capital gains, payroll, and estate and gift taxes, the pre-FairTax prices of these goods and services will fall. The removal of these hidden taxes may also allow wages to rise. Exactly how much prices will fall and wages will rise depends on market forces. For example, in a profession with many jobs and too few to fill them, wages will likely increase more than in fields where there are too many employees and not enough jobs.
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I'd rather vote for Herman Munster. He was dumb, but honest, and that's more than I can say about politicians.

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But Cain isn't a politician, which I think is precisely the point.
 
Dittohead not! said:
True, but if he runs for president, then he will be. So, how can we elect a non politician?
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My assumption is that the missing word is "Career". Apparently, career politicians got us into this mess, so why not look outside the normal pool of applicants?
 
Dittohead not! said:
He's right about coal, natural gas, and our dependence on foreign oil being a security issue. I'm not sure where he stands on other issues.

So, what would he do about it were he to be elected president?

What experience does he have?
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What experience did Obama have?
 
Barbbtx said:
Romney backed out.
the ones who didn't are Ron Paul, Santorum, Pawlenty, I think that's it.
I think the others are making a big mistake for not showing up for the first debate. We shall see.
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quite simply, barb, i think the reason your candidate will ultimately lose the primaries is because he's black. now, i know not all republicans are racist, but racists don't vote dem, and your party is not exactly diverse.
 
liblady said:
quite simply, barb, i think the reason your candidate will ultimately lose the primaries is because he's black. now, i know not all republicans are racist, but racists don't vote dem, and your party is not exactly diverse.
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He isn't going to lose the primary because he is black...
 
liblady said:
quite simply, barb, i think the reason your candidate will ultimately lose the primaries is because he's black. now, i know not all republicans are racist, but racists don't vote dem, and your party is not exactly diverse.
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I think you're wrong.
That's something I think is in his favor. His lack of experience in politics will go against him.
He's also got the Muslim thing. That will turn a lot of people off.
The being a chair on the Fed has the Ron Paul supporters on a rampage. They won't vote for him because of that. They're smearing him all over the place calling him a bankster and such.
Not sure what the liberals will find wrong with him, but I'm sure it won't be pretty. They sure don't want a black man running against Obama.
Lack of money
Lack of media attention
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It looks like he's going to be the first one to make his run official on the 21st. Maybe that will get him some coverage.
 
Newt Gingrich beat him to it.
 
Barbbtx said:
I think you're wrong.
That's something I think is in his favor. His lack of experience in politics will go against him.
He's also got the Muslim thing. That will turn a lot of people off.
The being a chair on the Fed has the Ron Paul supporters on a rampage. They won't vote for him because of that. They're smearing him all over the place calling him a bankster and such.
Not sure what the liberals will find wrong with him, but I'm sure it won't be pretty. They sure don't want a black man running against Obama.
Lack of money
Lack of media attention
However,
It looks like he's going to be the first one to make his run official on the 21st. Maybe that will get him some coverage.
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liberals don't want a black man running against obama? why in the world would you think that?

we certainly disagree.

1) ron paul supporters are irrelevant.
2) what "muslim" thing?
3) money comes to front running candidates, and he certainly ought to have plenty of his own to begin.
4) media attention comes to front runners.

republicans do not want a black man as their candidate, because then too many of them would just stay home on election day. you excepted.
 
liblady said:
quite simply, barb, i think the reason your candidate will ultimately lose the primaries is because he's black. now, i know not all republicans are racist, but racists don't vote dem, and your party is not exactly diverse.
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Wow... another Liberal thinks the racists actually have a voice/vote that is meaningful in politics. Racism is not a factor anymore, there is a very minute population that would actually do that... maybe 2% of the GOP.
I agree with barb, i think liberals are scared of Herman Cain running because they could never pull the race card, like the one your tossing above, anymore.
 
celticwar17 said:
Wow... another Liberal thinks the racists actually have a voice/vote that is meaningful in politics. Racism is not a factor anymore, there is a very minute population that would actually do that... maybe 2% of the GOP.
I agree with barb, i think liberals are scared of Herman Cain running because they could never pull the race card, like the one your tossing above, anymore.
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do you know what "playing the race card" means? i did no such thing, and i think you are naive to believe racism plays no part in politics. when you see republican party officials e-mailing racists cartoons, saying racist things, and in general showing their asses, you have racism in politics. i would really, really like to know how you got that 2%.

what i post is my opinion, you are free to agree or disagree, but ttrust me when i say i am a liberal, and i am not scared of herman cain. in fact, i am not SCARED of any candidate, and would welcome one who i thought would a good president. the republicans didn't do that last go round, and imo, haven't done it since bush 1. he was an okay guy.
 
liblady said:
quite simply, barb, i think the reason your candidate will ultimately lose the primaries is because he's black. now, i know not all republicans are racist, but racists don't vote dem, and your party is not exactly diverse.
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Hmmm...there are other reasons why I think he won't win, but this is not one of them.
 
liblady said:
do you know what "playing the race card" means? i did no such thing, and i think you are naive to believe racism plays no part in politics. when you see republican party officials e-mailing racists cartoons, saying racist things, and in general showing their asses, you have racism in politics. i would really, really like to know how you got that 2%.

what i post is my opinion, you are free to agree or disagree, but ttrust me when i say i am a liberal, and i am not scared of herman cain. in fact, i am not SCARED of any candidate, and would welcome one who i thought would a good president. the republicans didn't do that last go round, and imo, haven't done it since bush 1. he was an okay guy.
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You did play the race card... you said Herman Cain won't win cause he's black.
How is that different then saying republicans don't like Obama cause he's black... you are using it in the reverse order. It's all using race as an excuse other then the actual issues and motivations at heart.

I didnt claim i got the 2% from anywhere, it was just my opinion. I think racism is a vast minority in ANY political party. You just mention one random instance of an email who i never even heard of what party official woman did it, who gives a crap? Cartoons are cartoons, and presidents have a history of being made fun in them...and i think she apologized anyway. Even if she was racist, THATS ONE PERSON that managed to hide her internal hatred all the way up until that point, not even close to being a representative of the majority of people.
Racism has not near the influence in politics you want to portray, the only instances Where i see this in a LARGE amount is with the African american community, loyally voting democrat based on thats what their "race" is supposed to do.
 
celticwar17 said:
You did play the race card... you said Herman Cain won't win cause he's black.
How is that different then saying republicans don't like Obama cause he's black... you are using it in the reverse order. It's all using race as an excuse other then the actual issues and motivations at heart.

I didnt claim i got the 2% from anywhere, it was just my opinion. I think racism is a vast minority in ANY political party. You just mention one random instance of an email who i never even heard of what party official woman did it, who gives a crap? Cartoons are cartoons, and presidents have a history of being made fun in them...and i think she apologized anyway. Even if she was racist, THATS ONE PERSON that managed to hide her internal hatred all the way up until that point, not even close to being a representative of the majority of people.
Racism has not near the influence in politics you want to portray, the only instances Where i see this in a LARGE amount is with the African american community, loyally voting democrat based on thats what their "race" is supposed to do.
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i don't claim republicans don't like obama becasue he's black, i claim SOME republicans don't like obama becasue he's black. case in point....at my daughter's wedding, it was passed around the table that bin laden had been killed and obama was expected to speak shortly. my daughter's father-in-law said: "obama's gonna say i killed my brother!" i had to PINCH my husband to keep him quiet and not yell at the racist old guy, a staunch republican.

as for you defending the racist e-mails, that tells me you're fine with racism, really. and it's not been just one person, but i think you know that.

btw, how many black people do you hang with?
 
liblady said:
i don't claim republicans don't like obama becasue he's black, i claim SOME republicans don't like obama becasue he's black. case in point....at my daughter's wedding, it was passed around the table that bin laden had been killed and obama was expected to speak shortly. my daughter's father-in-law said: "obama's gonna say i killed my brother!" i had to PINCH my husband to keep him quiet and not yell at the racist old guy, a staunch republican.

as for you defending the racist e-mails, that tells me you're fine with racism, really. and it's not been just one person, but i think you know that.

btw, how many black people do you hang with?
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wait. was your daughter's father-in-law trying to tell a joke? I don't get it.
 
StillBallin75 said:
wait. was your daughter's father-in-law trying to tell a joke? I don't get it.
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neither did i...but earlier in the day he mentioned that in south georgia they had a different name for the obamas.........
 
liblady said:
do you know what "playing the race card" means? i did no such thing, and i think you are naive to believe racism plays no part in politics. when you see republican party officials e-mailing racists cartoons, saying racist things, and in general showing their asses, you have racism in politics. i would really, really like to know how you got that 2%.

what i post is my opinion, you are free to agree or disagree, but ttrust me when i say i am a liberal, and i am not scared of herman cain. in fact, i am not SCARED of any candidate, and would welcome one who i thought would a good president. the republicans didn't do that last go round, and imo, haven't done it since bush 1. he was an okay guy.
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That's where I am, too. I am inordinately curious to see who they will bring to the table. If it's somebody I can research and wind up having some respect for, then cool.
 
I think it's a very small minority in the Republican Party that is overtly racist. What's a bigger problem is voters who are subtle, or covert racists. They'll tell you that they'll vote for a black man, and then do the opposite. Think Bradley Effect. I'm not saying Hermain Cain will necessarily face such a problem, but the potential is there.

To me, Cain likely won't win the nomination because he is a relative unknown at this point, and because he's not a professional/career politician he doesn't have access to the resources or the support networks that other conadidates might have, not because race will be a huge factor.
 
liblady said:
i don't claim republicans don't like obama becasue he's black, i claim SOME republicans don't like obama becasue he's black. case in point....at my daughter's wedding, it was passed around the table that bin laden had been killed and obama was expected to speak shortly. my daughter's father-in-law said: "obama's gonna say i killed my brother!" i had to PINCH my husband to keep him quiet and not yell at the racist old guy, a staunch republican.

as for you defending the racist e-mails, that tells me you're fine with racism, really. and it's not been just one person, but i think you know that.

btw, how many black people do you hang with?
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My best friend is black
 
StillBallin75 said:
To me, Cain likely won't win the nomination because he is a relative unknown at this point
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But! So was Obama. So who's to say Cain can't pull the same grassroots move Obama did?
 
BDBoop said:
But! So was Obama. So who's to say Cain can't pull the same grassroots move Obama did?
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I guess that remains to be seen. I don't know if it's just me but I knew a lot more about Obama than most other people did about this time four years ago. But you have a point; just because he is an unknown doesn't mean he won't be successful. However another major difference is that he's not a professional politician, while Obama was. That goes to what I was saying about access to resources and a support network. Plus, in 2012 Obama will have the so-called "incumbent advantage" at his disposal.
 
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liblady said:
i don't claim republicans don't like obama becasue he's black, i claim SOME republicans don't like obama becasue he's black. case in point....at my daughter's wedding, it was passed around the table that bin laden had been killed and obama was expected to speak shortly. my daughter's father-in-law said: "obama's gonna say i killed my brother!" i had to PINCH my husband to keep him quiet and not yell at the racist old guy, a staunch republican.

as for you defending the racist e-mails, that tells me you're fine with racism, really. and it's not been just one person, but i think you know that.

btw, how many black people do you hang with?
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And i was just giving a random example... not one that you necessarily believe in. You played the race card for his sake saying "Cain wont win cause he is black". I dont care about your personal experiences with random conservatives... your observations are just plain wrong and over exaggerated.

And yes my 1st roomate in college was "black" and he became my best friend. I have also had the opportunity of going to his neighborhood/house and hang out with his friends back home... quite an interesting experience. I've had "black" friends all my life. I also know he was voting for Obama the year of the elections and every-time we talked about he had NO IDEA about anything Obama was about... he just knew he was black and democrat and thats all he needed to know.
 
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