Who will you blame in 2012?

If the economy does not significantly improve by 2012, who will you blame? And why?

Nobody.

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The same people I blamed 5 years ago - everybody.

Nobody is innocent, especially this time around. Obama is more responsible than Bush, but there's plenty of blame to go around - especially at the corporate level.

I have an idea....why don't we look forward for a change?

I will blame any elected assclown that takes a position that any cuts will kill children/women/old people; we cant cut the military; we cant cut social spending; we cant cut medicare; we cant raise taxes. Anyone that maintains yhe same tired positions that have dug us into a 14.5 trillion dollar hole.

VanceMack said:

I will blame any elected assclown that takes a position that any cuts will kill children/women/old people; we cant cut the military; we cant cut social spending; we cant cut medicare; we cant raise taxes. Anyone that maintains yhe same tired positions that have dug us into a 14.5 trillion dollar hole.

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yeah...what he said.

If the deficit doesn't improve, I'll blame them both.

If the economy doesn't improve, I guess I'd blame Wall Street.

I wouldn't blame Bush or Obama. I would blame the congress and senate. I could be wrong but I do not think presidents can just write laws on their own. They can veto a bill they don't like.

Whovian said:

If the economy does not significantly improve by 2012, who will you blame? And why?

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Middle East instability, American wealth disparity, European debt crises, and Chinese inflation would be the most likely culprits. No single person is to blame for them.

If you max out on your credit card and can't afford to pay back the debt, who do you blame? The idiot who sells the merchandise or the idiot who buys the merchandise? Obama holds America's Visa Card and his had 3 years to pay back the debt as he promised he would. Instead he decided to walk into Dockers and buy the god damn shop.

His fault!

Fact is all the lefty socialists globally are in denial about the economic crises. Something in the air these days that are driving them irrational and stupid.

kaya'08 said:

If you max out on your credit card and can't afford to pay back the debt, who do you blame? The idiot who sells the merchandise or the idiot who buys the merchandise? Obama holds America's Visa Card and his had 3 years to pay back the debt as he promised he would. Instead he decided to walk into Dockers and buy the god damn shop.

His fault!

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Except the national debt has absolutely nothing to do with the current economic problems that the US is facing; there was a bit of a financial crisis in September 2008, if you'll recall. Although I have to give the Republicans credit for ingraining the "Obama's-debt-caused-the-recession" meme in people's minds. It's usually more difficult than that to so firmly drive the public narrative toward something so blatantly false.

Kandahar said:

Except the national debt has absolutely nothing to do with the current economic problems that the US is facing; there was a bit of a financial crisis in September 2008, if you'll recall.

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Rings a bell roll

Just because unemployment and low growth isn't being caused by the tremendous national debt, that doesn't mean the problem should not be addressed. There is still a HUGE deficit and over reliance on the federal government that is harming the US as an investment hub and consequently it's causing troubles internationally. Obama had an election manifesto and he forgot to tick this one off.

Although I have to give the Republicans credit for ingraining the "Obama's-debt-caused-the-recession" meme in people's minds. It's usually more difficult than that to so firmly drive the public narrative toward something so blatantly false.

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Yet the Republicans are the only ones who want to do something about it.

I would blame every politician, because they all own footprints in this path we're heading.

kaya'08 said:

Rings a bell roll

Just because unemployment and low growth isn't being caused by the tremendous national debt, that doesn't mean the problem should not be addressed.

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Correct. But it DOES mean that saying that the recession is "Obama's fault" because he maxed out our credit cards is ridiculous, because A) he didn't, and B) that isn't even the economic problem we're currently facing.

kaya'08 said:

There is still a HUGE deficit and over reliance on the federal government that is harming the US as an investment hub and consequently it's causing troubles internationally.

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Deficit spending is exactly what we should be doing during a recession; and the bigger the recession, the bigger the deficits should be. This is absolutely the correct path to stimulate aggregate demand and get the economy moving again. In the medium-term, yes, the deficits will need to be dealt with and the US does need to address its structural deficit (rather than the deficit caused by the recession). But that's a completely separate issue that has little relevance to the current recession.

kaya'08 said:

Obama had an election manifesto and he forgot to tick this one off.

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Yeah, we kinda had a financial crisis a few months before he got elected. :roll:

kaya'08 said:

Yet the Republicans are the only ones who want to do something about it.

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Oh bull****. The Republicans have no plan for dealing with rising health care costs except shift them from the government to individuals. The Democrats are actually interested in slowing health care inflation by copying policies that have been successful in other countries that have adopted them. And they don't just have a plan, they have an actual law in the Affordable Care Act. Health care is the biggest component of the structural deficit. One party has absolutely no plan, and one party has a reasonably good law.

Let's move to taxes. Democrats have shown willingness to compromise on the issue, and have called for some spending cuts as well as higher taxes. Republicans, however, have flatly declared that raising taxes on the wealthy is off the table as a method to balance the budget.

Democrats have a much more sensible plan to deal with structural deficits, and in any case structural deficits aren't the cause of the current crisis (which is the subject of this thread). But good job repeating talking points from Glenn Beck. :roll:

bush has slept with more corporations than obama, including his own.

Gipper said:

The same people I blamed 5 years ago - everybody.

Nobody is innocent, especially this time around. Obama is more responsible than Bush, but there's plenty of blame to go around - especially at the corporate level.

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mac said:

I have an idea....why don't we look forward for a change?

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Excellent post. This is the problem with all of these threads. People are quick to blame, slow to look for solutions. It's much easier to blame. If you blame the other guy, you get to wash your hands of the situation, sit around and bitch how everything is his fault... instead of actually doing something about it.

To me this is a nobrainer...after 4 yrs of Obama and theres no improvement he most definitely OWNS the bad economy

mac said:

I have an idea....why don't we look forward for a change?

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CaptainCourtesy said:

Excellent post. This is the problem with all of these threads. People are quick to blame, slow to look for solutions. It's much easier to blame. If you blame the other guy, you get to wash your hands of the situation, sit around and bitch how everything is his fault... instead of actually doing something about it.

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Last time I suggested that figuring out how to solve the problem was more important than blaming someone, I got lambasted for 'trying to ignore what brought us to this point' and told that 'you can't find a solution unless you know who caused the problem'... blha blah blah.

See if you can guess if the people who told me that were liberals or conservatives.

lpast said:

To me this is a nobrainer...after 4 yrs of Obama and theres no improvement he most definitely OWNS the bad economy

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It's kindof the biggest economic deal since the great depression, or so we've been told. Quite a slump inherited rom the previous presidency I never expected us to recover from in a single term from how it was refered to in media.

CaptainCourtesy said:

Excellent post. This is the problem with all of these threads. People are quick to blame, slow to look for solutions. It's much easier to blame. If you blame the other guy, you get to wash your hands of the situation, sit around and bitch how everything is his fault... instead of actually doing something about it.

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Instead of blaming select parties, I would blame all politicians because in their contention our nation's future slips away.

The politicians seem to be the only ones able to pass movements to save our nation; there is not much we civillians can do.

CaptainCourtesy said:

Excellent post. This is the problem with all of these threads. People are quick to blame, slow to look for solutions. It's much easier to blame. If you blame the other guy, you get to wash your hands of the situation, sit around and bitch how everything is his fault... instead of actually doing something about it.

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Part of fixing a problem is figuring out the cause of that problem. So wouldn't part of the solution be figuring out who is to blame and not electing them again?

SE102 said:

It's kindof the biggest economic deal since the great depression, or so we've been told. Quite a slump inherited rom the previous presidency I never expected us to recover from in a single term from how it was refered to in media.

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Your right I didnt expect us to be fully recovered either in Obama's 4 yrs...but I did not expect him to put us 6trillion more in debt and have the unemployment only double...its only fair to have expected an improvement not a totally worsening for 4 yrs.
Obama' spending has put the middle class in the position it is with the far right spoiled teaparty brats...the middleclass is truly caught right in the middle between the two extremes and they NEED TO FIGHT back against both of them

Whovian said:

Last time I suggested that figuring out how to solve the problem was more important than blaming someone, I got lambasted for 'trying to ignore what brought us to this point' and told that 'you can't find a solution unless you know who caused the problem'... blha blah blah.

See if you can guess if the people who told me that were liberals or conservatives.

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Depends on your political lean. If you were a conservative, liberals would say that; if you were a liberal, conservatives would say that. This is the problem.

I put neither. Personally, I think you'd have to be some what ignorant to blame Obama for the current state of the economy. It would also show extreme partisanship, since he fulfilled every conservative economist's wet dream:

1) He continued tax cuts for the rich
2) He bailed out the big banks that were too big to fail
3) He gave even more money to stimulate business through TARP (let's see that trickle down economics?)

If you take issue with TARP for budgetary issues that's an entirely different argument. Otherwise, what the hell else could you blame him for?