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Should Registered Offenders Be Allowed to live with minors?

Should This become law in Ohio?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • No

    Votes: 15 75.0%

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Should the following become law in Ohio?

Currently, under ORC 2950 a Sexual Offender is required to register and that individual under Ohio Law can NOT live within a specified distance of a school or daycare facility, however, this is where the law falls short. It is common knowledge (you can look this up if you like) that sexual offenders are the 2nd highest group likely to reoffend (only drug offenders are higher) and that the vast majority of sexual crimes take place inside the residence of the offender. Unfortunately the law does nothing to deal with this 2nd fact. This is why we are asking all the Ohio Republican Senators to ban together and introduce a bill into the Ohio Senate that puts real teeth into ORC 2950 via a major revision. We are requesting:

1. Keep the school/daycare but increase the distance to 5,250 feet. That is one circular mile and will ensure anyone who wants a sexual offender/predator free neighborhood that very thing by their simply moving to within a reasonable distance of a school. This will help many parents and children sleep at night. (We are open to compromise on this, but the distance needs to increase, this will create RSO free neighborhoods.)

2. Include in ORC 2950 a ban on Registered Sex Offenders on living with any minors. A minor being defined under this law as any person who has not yet achieved the age of eighteen (18) years of age. This law needs to allow NO exceptions to familial status. It does NOT matter if they are the children of the RSO (Registered Sex Offender), nieces, nephews, cousins, siblings or the children of relatives or the children of a friend, significant other (boyfriend/girlfriend) and so on. (Please consider all possible scenarios that could exist when writing it, including a woman who is an RSO and becomes impregnated once that child is born.)

3. In the event that an RSO lives with or attempts to live with, (attempt being defined as applying for residency by filling out a rental application, purchase agreement, requesting verbally or in writing via handwritten, typed and/or electronic communications, to move into a residence that has children and lives with being defined any building that has any minors {this will include apartment buildings and duplexes, multi-family dwellings where the RSO rents one unit but children are residing in the same building in a different apartment}) (Can we include a hotel/motel/inn as a place of residence in this regardless of the length of the stay or perhaps give those individuals the right to ban RSO's from their property if they so choose to and if they violate charge them the same as if they attempted to reside with minors? I don't know, that's up to you guys.) (It is the responsibility of the RSO to advise the individual they are seeking housing with/from in writing that they are an RSO and what that they can NOT reside at that location if a minor is resides there) that this person be found guilty of a felony in the first (1) degree under this state statute and that the presiding judge be forced to sentence the RSO to the following:

A. Five (5) years mandatory minimum up to a maximum of life in a state prison institution.
B. No possibility of parole before Five (5) years of the sentence is served and or 67% of the sentence is served if presiding judge sentences the RSO to a term longer than Five (5) years. (If an RSO is sentenced to 100 months then the RSO must serve a minimum of 67 months before parole eligibility however an RSO sentenced to 6 years will have to serve a minimum of 1,825 days even though 67% of 6 years is only 1,576 due to the 5 year minimum no matter what before they can be considered for parole.)
1) Any RSO who violates this statute can not apply for or appear before any parole board prior to their serving their minimum sentence. Any RSO that violates this statute must first serve either 5 years or 67% of their sentence, whichever is greater, prior to appearing before a parole board to be considered for release.
C. That any RSO who violates this order be automatically determined to be a Sexual Predator with maximum monitoring upon release.
D. That any RSO who violates this law and is paroled or released from prison after serving their sentence be subject to life on parole with maximum supervision.
E. That any RSO who violates this law be ordered upon release from prison to wear while on parole an electronic monitoring device at all times that will display to local law enforcement at all times their location and the RSO's history of locations.


4. In the event that an RSO is found guilty of this statute and they are sentenced to prison and released and they violate this statute a second time the following penalty shall be enforced:

A. The RSO who violates this law shall be found guilty as a Repeat Sexual Predator and subject to Life in a state prison insitution with NO chance of parole whatsoever. This is a mandatory sentence and shall not be eligible for a reduction for any reason whatsoever.

5. In the event that an RSO is charged with violating this statute the Prosecuting Attorney does NOT have the power to plead the case down to a lesser charge. The case MUST be enforced under this statute and prosecuted as this statute outlines. (YES, WE ARE ASKING THAT NO PLEAD DEALS BE ALLOWED UNDER THIS STATUTE, THESE ARE OUR KIDS AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM.)

6. That any RSO who violates this statute while awaiting be trial be subject to a minimum mandatory cash bail/bond requirement. (**Personally, we'd like to see this number as a few million dollars however realize that might be considered extreme/unreasonable so we leave that to the Senators to decide what is a reasonable minimum bail/bond.) Any RSO who is charged under this statute is NOT eligible to be released on their Own Recognizance regardless of their connections to the community and so on.

7. That any individual who has been convicted and labeled as an RSO, regardless of when their conviction was, be advised of this statute and the guidelines of this statute concerning their housing and that they are subject to this statute. (Otherwise, grandfather all of them into this, we know you guys can do this.)

8. That any RSO from another state upon registering in Ohio shall be given a copy of this statute and advised that they are subject to it at all times while in the state of Ohio.

9. That any RSO who violates this statute and then flees to another state or country be subject to immediate extradition to Ohio to stand trial for said violation.

10. That any RSO who violates this statute and is awaiting trial and is freed upon placement of bail/bond and fails to appear for any hearing/trial date set forth by the court shall at that time have their bail/bond immediately revoked, a warrant issued for their immediate arrest and the complete forfeiture of the bail/bond to the presiding court and be ineligible bail/bond to be placed again, instead they shall be held for remand until such time as their is a final disposition on said violation.

11. That any RSO who violates this statute and any other statutes and is charged with said violations and stands trial for said violations and is found to be guilty of this said statute and any other statute must serve their sentences consecutively and is not under any circumstances or conditions eligible for said sentences to be served concurrently. All sentences imposed by the courts for violation of this statute shall be served prior to sentence commencing for any other statute violations.


So, should Ohio and other states pass legislation like the above to protect kids from predators or not?
 
tl;dr

"Registered sex offender" is a very broad term, so yes, they should be allowed to live with minors unless they've done something that actually poses a threat to the child's safety.
 
tl;dr

"Registered sex offender" is a very broad term, so yes, they should be allowed to live with minors unless they've done something that actually poses a threat to the child's safety.

You're absolutely right.

I think we should legally differentiate between someone who is a "sex offender" and someone who is a "sexual predator."

A sex offender is someone who violates any kind sex law. This can be anything from public urination to a teen girl who sends pics of her boobies to her boyfriend. So it really is overly broad.

Sexual predators, on the other hand, are those who are rapists and child molesters. These are people that society needs to be protected from.

So I'm all for this kind of law being passed for sexual predators but I don't think it should apply to every sex offender.
 
I think this law as formulated would make it nearly impossible for a sexual predator to function in society. Which is fine, but why *****foot around? If we want to punish them for X number of years, then just keep them in jail, even if that is for life. I think what this law would do is create a class of people who were forced to live in concentrated, very small areas or outside of cities, but still concentrated along certain boundaries. This would seriously impair prospects for employment or keeping employment. This would likely result in other criminal behavior, which would return a high number of them to jail repeatedly anyway. Hell, the desperation alone might drive them to want to return to prison, and we certainly know what their crime of choice would likeky be. Why drive them to desperation, and then put them back in jail, rather than just keep them there in the first place?

To my mind, creating a class of desperate people who roam semi free in our society is not a great option.
 
If society has deemed them safe enough to be released from prison then they should be allowed to live with a minor.If they can not be trusted with their full rights then they should not be released from prison in the first place.
 
Unless they are a pedophile, then they shouldn't be allowed. But if it's some 18 year old who banged his teenage girlfriend who isn't 18 yet, then there is no reason for them to not be allowed to live with a minor.
 
Should the following become law in Ohio?

Currently, under ORC 2950 a Sexual Offender is required to register and that individual under Ohio Law can NOT live within a specified distance of a school or daycare facility, however, this is where the law falls short. It is common knowledge (you can look this up if you like) that sexual offenders are the 2nd highest group likely to reoffend (only drug offenders are higher) and that the vast majority of sexual crimes take place inside the residence of the offender. Unfortunately the law does nothing to deal with this 2nd fact. This is why we are asking all the Ohio Republican Senators to ban together and introduce a bill into the Ohio Senate that puts real teeth into ORC 2950 via a major revision. We are requesting:

1. Keep the school/daycare but increase the distance to 5,250 feet. That is one circular mile and will ensure anyone who wants a sexual offender/predator free neighborhood that very thing by their simply moving to within a reasonable distance of a school. This will help many parents and children sleep at night. (We are open to compromise on this, but the distance needs to increase, this will create RSO free neighborhoods.)

2. Include in ORC 2950 a ban on Registered Sex Offenders on living with any minors. A minor being defined under this law as any person who has not yet achieved the age of eighteen (18) years of age. This law needs to allow NO exceptions to familial status. It does NOT matter if they are the children of the RSO (Registered Sex Offender), nieces, nephews, cousins, siblings or the children of relatives or the children of a friend, significant other (boyfriend/girlfriend) and so on. (Please consider all possible scenarios that could exist when writing it, including a woman who is an RSO and becomes impregnated once that child is born.)

3. In the event that an RSO lives with or attempts to live with, (attempt being defined as applying for residency by filling out a rental application, purchase agreement, requesting verbally or in writing via handwritten, typed and/or electronic communications, to move into a residence that has children and lives with being defined any building that has any minors {this will include apartment buildings and duplexes, multi-family dwellings where the RSO rents one unit but children are residing in the same building in a different apartment}) (Can we include a hotel/motel/inn as a place of residence in this regardless of the length of the stay or perhaps give those individuals the right to ban RSO's from their property if they so choose to and if they violate charge them the same as if they attempted to reside with minors? I don't know, that's up to you guys.) (It is the responsibility of the RSO to advise the individual they are seeking housing with/from in writing that they are an RSO and what that they can NOT reside at that location if a minor is resides there) that this person be found guilty of a felony in the first (1) degree under this state statute and that the presiding judge be forced to sentence the RSO to the following:

A. Five (5) years mandatory minimum up to a maximum of life in a state prison institution.
B. No possibility of parole before Five (5) years of the sentence is served and or 67% of the sentence is served if presiding judge sentences the RSO to a term longer than Five (5) years. (If an RSO is sentenced to 100 months then the RSO must serve a minimum of 67 months before parole eligibility however an RSO sentenced to 6 years will have to serve a minimum of 1,825 days even though 67% of 6 years is only 1,576 due to the 5 year minimum no matter what before they can be considered for parole.)
1) Any RSO who violates this statute can not apply for or appear before any parole board prior to their serving their minimum sentence. Any RSO that violates this statute must first serve either 5 years or 67% of their sentence, whichever is greater, prior to appearing before a parole board to be considered for release.
C. That any RSO who violates this order be automatically determined to be a Sexual Predator with maximum monitoring upon release.
D. That any RSO who violates this law and is paroled or released from prison after serving their sentence be subject to life on parole with maximum supervision.
E. That any RSO who violates this law be ordered upon release from prison to wear while on parole an electronic monitoring device at all times that will display to local law enforcement at all times their location and the RSO's history of locations.


4. In the event that an RSO is found guilty of this statute and they are sentenced to prison and released and they violate this statute a second time the following penalty shall be enforced:

A. The RSO who violates this law shall be found guilty as a Repeat Sexual Predator and subject to Life in a state prison insitution with NO chance of parole whatsoever. This is a mandatory sentence and shall not be eligible for a reduction for any reason whatsoever.

5. In the event that an RSO is charged with violating this statute the Prosecuting Attorney does NOT have the power to plead the case down to a lesser charge. The case MUST be enforced under this statute and prosecuted as this statute outlines. (YES, WE ARE ASKING THAT NO PLEAD DEALS BE ALLOWED UNDER THIS STATUTE, THESE ARE OUR KIDS AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM.)

6. That any RSO who violates this statute while awaiting be trial be subject to a minimum mandatory cash bail/bond requirement. (**Personally, we'd like to see this number as a few million dollars however realize that might be considered extreme/unreasonable so we leave that to the Senators to decide what is a reasonable minimum bail/bond.) Any RSO who is charged under this statute is NOT eligible to be released on their Own Recognizance regardless of their connections to the community and so on.

7. That any individual who has been convicted and labeled as an RSO, regardless of when their conviction was, be advised of this statute and the guidelines of this statute concerning their housing and that they are subject to this statute. (Otherwise, grandfather all of them into this, we know you guys can do this.)

8. That any RSO from another state upon registering in Ohio shall be given a copy of this statute and advised that they are subject to it at all times while in the state of Ohio.

9. That any RSO who violates this statute and then flees to another state or country be subject to immediate extradition to Ohio to stand trial for said violation.

10. That any RSO who violates this statute and is awaiting trial and is freed upon placement of bail/bond and fails to appear for any hearing/trial date set forth by the court shall at that time have their bail/bond immediately revoked, a warrant issued for their immediate arrest and the complete forfeiture of the bail/bond to the presiding court and be ineligible bail/bond to be placed again, instead they shall be held for remand until such time as their is a final disposition on said violation.

11. That any RSO who violates this statute and any other statutes and is charged with said violations and stands trial for said violations and is found to be guilty of this said statute and any other statute must serve their sentences consecutively and is not under any circumstances or conditions eligible for said sentences to be served concurrently. All sentences imposed by the courts for violation of this statute shall be served prior to sentence commencing for any other statute violations.


So, should Ohio and other states pass legislation like the above to protect kids from predators or not?

I was going to reply to individual paragraphs and changed my mind. A sex offender is an all-encompassing term. If you're talking about pedophiles, I'm pretty much with ya'. But not all sex offenders are pedophiles!!! A sex offender might be a 21-year-old having consensual sex with a 17-year-old. Until the law differentiates between pedophiles and sex offenders, I am very uncomfortable with the restrictions you're recommending. We might as well shoot them.
 
I was going to reply to individual paragraphs and changed my mind. A sex offender is an all-encompassing term. If you're talking about pedophiles, I'm pretty much with ya'. But not all sex offenders are pedophiles!!! A sex offender might be a 21-year-old having consensual sex with a 17-year-old. Until the law differentiates between pedophiles and sex offenders, I am very uncomfortable with the restrictions you're recommending. We might as well shoot them.

To use the above as an example, in Ohio, the age of consent is 16 so a 21 year old having consensual sex with a 17 year old would not be convicted of a sex crime, though contributing to the delinquency of a minor might be a potential charge they could face.

Unless they are a pedophile, then they shouldn't be allowed. But if it's some 18 year old who banged his teenage girlfriend who isn't 18 yet, then there is no reason for them to not be allowed to live with a minor.

And this example would be dependent upon the age of the girlfriend. If she's 16 or 17 then no issues beyond potential contributing to the delinquency again, however if she's 13 then there is a huge isse as she's below the age of consent in Ohio. While a 13 year can consent to sex, an 18 year old in most people's views has no rights to be having sex with someone so young.

Moving forward, in some of the other claims individuals are using the example of public urination as being linked to a sex offender. I can find no example of someone urinating in public and then being labeled by a judge upon conviction as an RSO (Registered Sex Offender) without any other charges being included in the case. Keep in mind that in Ohio we have 3 labels of sexual offendrs:

1. Registered Sexually Oriented Offender
2. Habitual Sexually Oriented Offender
3. Sexual Predator

To be labeled as any of the 3, one must commit a sexually oriented crime against another (public urination is rarely a crime against another, more of a victimless crime in most scenarios) and be found guilty of that crime. To give an example of a case that is borderline in some minds in Ohio:

John Charles Veasey III At the age of 31 he hooked up with a 15 year old girl and they had consensual sex for 2 1/2 months, he took her (she was willing) to Florida for 19 days and was finally apprehended. He was charged with sex with a minor, contributing to the delinquency of a minor and taking a minor across state lines. Part of his sentence was to register as a sexually oriented offender for 10 years.

Keep in mind that Ohio already has different levels of registration for sex offenders and that a minor labeled as a sex offender is normally given a clean slate at either 18 or 21 with the blessing of the sentencing judge when it comes to sex labelling in Ohio.
 
This has the potential to be one of those feel good laws that can backfire badly. Like the rest, I'm all for these kind of restrictions on pedophiles. However, what is the point of restricting the living of someone who is, say, a granny serial rapist. Can't live near a school or children. Yeah real safety restriction there. Again that comes from the broad categories that all get lumped under RSO.

And while Ohio may not currently have any laws that would include public urination as a sexual offense (usually placed under Indecent Exposure, I believe) has the law been examined to ensure that other such offenses that aren't really sexual crimes won't get covered under this.

I'm also against the hotel part, as it does make things unnecessarily hard on someone actually trying to get their life together and needing to travel. maybe a requirement to register with management, but then also with management to a) not reveal the status and b) maintain a watch on the person if children are in the building.
 
Where should they live, then? Where can you live, in any city, that is more than a mile away from any of the places from which they are prohibited?

If we're not going to allow them to live, it's cleaner to kill them.
 
Assuming that, by "registered sex offender", you're talking about pedophiles, then no, they should not be allowed to live with minors. If you're using the term in a broader context, then it depends.
 
It should be up to the parent of the minor as to whether or not they spend time with a sex offender - oh, and the minor themselves, of course.
 
statutory rape offenders have to register as sex offenders, right? so say 18 yr old lives with his parents, sleeps with his 15 yr old girlfriend, and her parents file charges. he gets probation, but has to register. does he then have to move out of his home because he has younger siblings? what if he gets married in 3 years, can he not have children?
 
It's ridiculous to try to think hat you can prevent your kids from ever being near such people.

Registered offenders of which are pedophiles (not all are registered pedophile offenders as has been mentioned) - but they, at some point, WEREN'T known to be a threat. Someone out there is *not* a registered sex offender but *does* want to molest a child and satisfy those urges.

You are only a registered offender after you have been caught, put on trial, and in many states it's your choie if you're going to sign onto the list or not. . . they are not a 100% fool proof barrier against said individuals.

The only thing that really helps is having people who are vigilent and protective - without going over the top.
 
I don't like it. I already think that our "registered offenders" laws go too far as is. Also, I disagree with any form of minimum sentencing; that's one of the reasons we pay judges, they decide what is appropriate on a case by case basis. They'll have well more information than we can ever have. Also, these things have gotten so far out of control that there have been sex offenders essentially forced to live under an overpass or in the woods because they cannot move into another place. The recidivism rate for sex offenders is not much higher than other crimes, and I think we've gone so far down the "won't somebody please think of the children" route that we've lost sight of proper law enforcement and punishment.
 
The cited code would have two notable effects.

The number of men consenting to register with the police will drop dramatically.

The public's ability to know where dangerous offenders live will disappear.

Note, the offenders who are supposed to register aren't going to move 80 miles out of town. Some of those are going to be the pedophiles who actually need to be tracked and monitored. So, the net effect of the bill, in the first instance, is going to be the evaporation of the RSO list.

Where's the money going to come from to enforce this?

Ohio will discover that the above law will apply only to new offenders, anyway.

There's the clause that outlaws "verbal" attempts to move in with parents of minor children. How is this adjudicated and how is a conviction obtained?

This is yet one more example of public politicians playing on artificially generated public hysteria to condemn a broad segment of a population when any particular crime sparking the indignation is typically committed by new offenders who were never on any list in the first place. Question: Since Ohio is failing economically, shouldn't the state legislature be focused on getting rid of the union stranglehood on their state budget and fixing their budget problems instead of defining new classes of bogus crime that will require expanded government spending to prosecute and expanded govenment funding to hold in prison when convicted?

The word "pedophile" has an extremely narrow definition, and the class of pedophiles is a small subset of the class of "child molesters", which is, again, a small subset of "sexual offenders". In some states a man engaged in consensual hide the salami with a prostitute can be convicted of a sex crime and required to register as an RSO.

If it's "pedophiles" those people are afraid of, shouldn't they study the issue? Laws like the above are written by people who are so afraid a lion will eat their child, so they ban house cats, too.

One should note that a man convicted of murder can be paroled and live in the house next to a school, and no one but his parole officer will ever know.
 
One should note that a man convicted of murder can be paroled and live in the house next to a school, and no one but his parole officer will ever know.

Which is why I want registration lists for those found guilty of murder, of manslaughter, of assault, of battery, of domestic violence, of fraud, of burglary, and of embezzlement. After all, I think those convicted of such actions should be known by the public as well so the public can take steps to protect themselves against such people as well. I don't know why sex offenses are so special when a child is just as much in danger from someone who commits domestic violence as they are in danger from a child molester.
 
Which is why I want registration lists for those found guilty of murder, of manslaughter, of assault, of battery, of domestic violence, of fraud, of burglary, and of embezzlement. After all, I think those convicted of such actions should be known by the public as well so the public can take steps to protect themselves against such people as well. I don't know why sex offenses are so special when a child is just as much in danger from someone who commits domestic violence as they are in danger from a child molester.

Absolutel - very good point!

I'm more perturbed by those offenders - because they do pose a highe risk of re-committing those same crimes in part because they're not known for it.
 
I think this law as formulated would make it nearly impossible for a sexual predator to function in society. Which is fine, but why *****foot around? If we want to punish them for X number of years, then just keep them in jail, even if that is for life. I think what this law would do is create a class of people who were forced to live in concentrated, very small areas or outside of cities, but still concentrated along certain boundaries. This would seriously impair prospects for employment or keeping employment. This would likely result in other criminal behavior, which would return a high number of them to jail repeatedly anyway. Hell, the desperation alone might drive them to want to return to prison, and we certainly know what their crime of choice would likeky be. Why drive them to desperation, and then put them back in jail, rather than just keep them there in the first place?

To my mind, creating a class of desperate people who roam semi free in our society is not a great option.

There's already been cases of sex offenders living under bridges because these laws prevent them from living anywhere in the town that they live in. But these laws will always get support, because it's about s-e-x.

At some point, you have to treat them like any other criminal. If someone is convicted of killing a child, there are no such laws that prevent them from living near a school. Aren't murderers a risk to kill again? The sad fact is that living in a society requires that we trust people to some extent. If you decide that you can't trust sex offenders, then just make the sentence for child molestation life without parole.
 
If they serve a sentence handed down by a judge, then they've already done their time. There aren't many other crimes that a person can commit where they are denied full freedom after getting out of jail like a sex offender registry does.

Why are rapists not on these registries, and just pedophiles? Are rapists not sex offenders? Why don't we have a murderer registry, or a registry for people who have committed breaking and entering into homes? Actually, I'd want to know if I live in the vicinity of someone who might break into my home!

Hell, why don't we just make everyone's rap sheet available to the public so that neighbours are notified when ANYONE with a criminal record moves into the area? We want to know where the "bad guys" are, right?

Can we not see how ridiculous the sex offender registry is? It shouldn't be anybody's business but the police's as to whether or not you have a record, as it is their job to monitor community crime.
 
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sexual offenders are the 2nd highest group likely to reoffend (only drug offenders are higher)

False.

Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).

Sexual offenders are not even in the top six for highest recidivism.

In fact, recidivism for sexual offenders is below 10% which would put it as one of the least likely groups to re offend.
 
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This is another example of a politician trying to earn points by appearing to be tough on crime, particularly the disgusting crime of molesting children. The overly broad term "registered offender" can include a guy who took a leak where he shouldn't have, or a teen who sent explicit photos, a whole lot of things. If it were to apply only to sexual predators who prey on minors, then it would have some merit.

Then there is the mile radius from schools. Take a map of any town in America, draw mile diameter circles around all of he schools, and there won't be much left outside of those circles.

The law is poorly thought out, probably won't pass, but will provide ammunition during the next election to fool people into thinking that the author is doing something about child sexual predators.

So, it will probably serve its purpose.
 
Is there anything society could do to make me straight? Is there anything you could do with me other than keep me in prison if you didn't want me having gay sex?

I believe they were born this way because god can be weird. But they just can't ever be in a situation where they could possibly ruin some young person's life.
 
I have time for some more

We should put our efforts towards separating child molesters from the general population. We just leave it at that.

We cannot accept you into our society and we are not willing to kill you. So you must live on this island until the day you die. Make the best of it. May God forgive you for your sin.
 
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