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Are YOU willing to give up YOUR Social Security?

Would you give up your Social Security?

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No, assuming that I wouldn't get back what I've put in. If I would, then I'd gladly give up social security and I'm over 40.
 
liblady said:
lol.....double dipping. nice. no wonder you would give up your ss.
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I don't think I get both......now that I think about it. I don't really know how it all works since I'm not even close to reitrement.
 
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Mellie said:
I don't think I get both......now that I think about it. I don't really know how it all works since I'm not even close to reitrement.
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color me surprised. do you PAY ss tax?
 
Henrin said:
Its a crap question based on if personal greed will come into account. I have no personal greed when it comes to my principles. I have never wanted social security nor do I desire it now and if I live to be hundred and have nothing to show for myself I will think the same.

Btw, I'm 28.
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seriously? i thought maybe 14.
 
liblady said:
i meant on your teacher's wages.
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I'm really not sure. I would assume since I don't get SS then I shouldn't pay into it.
 
Mellie said:
I'm really not sure. I would assume since I don't get SS then I shouldn't pay into it.
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holy cow. you are either lying or very ignorant. since you don't get ss, would you give up your teacher's pension? after all, taxpayers fund that as well.
 
Mellie said:
I'm really not sure. I would assume since I don't get SS then I shouldn't pay into it.
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We expect that you will get a monthly check when you retire. When you retire you will no longer contribute. Money is being witheld from you. Your employer is matching it. This assures you some security for ols=d age or if you are unable to work, Off hand it seems like pretty good deal but leave it to our politicians to mess it all up

Wait a minute. Are you a pulic worker not enrolled in the system? Is that what you're saying? Then we need your help anyway because you vote. "Vote for social security and a free America!!!"
 
liblady said:
holy cow. you are either lying or very ignorant. since you don't get ss, would you give up your teacher's pension? after all, taxpayers fund that as well.
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I'm pretty stupid about retirement questions, yes. It doesn't concern me right now so I haven't really asked.

Yes, I would be fine with the pensions for teachers in my state going away. I can save for my own retirement, thanks.
 
Mellie said:
I'm pretty stupid about retirement questions, yes. It doesn't concern me right now so I haven't really asked.

Yes, I would be fine with the pensions for teachers in my state going away. I can save for my own retirement, thanks.
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mellie, it isn't about retirement questions. don't you get a w2? paychecks? how can you argue economics here if you don't even know what comprises your paycheck? i'm actually stunned.
 
liblady said:
mellie, it isn't about retirement questions. don't you get a w2? paychecks? how can you argue economics here if you don't even know what comprises your paycheck? i'm actually stunned.
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Yes, lib, I obviously get those things. I just looked at my last paystub from school. I don't see any SS taken out. My other job...yes. What else would you like to know?
 
Mellie said:
Yes, lib, I obviously get those things. I just looked at my last paystub from school. I don't see any SS taken out. My other job...yes. What else would you like to know?
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nothing. i just cannot imagine you didn't know already.
 
cpwill said:
no, you didn't. you payed taxes. those taxes were immediately spent on everything from roads to pork projects to others benefits. SS is a tax - the FDR administration set it up that way when it put it into place and the Supreme Court has verified that on multiple occasions. so you 'put money into it' no more or less than you did, say, agricultural subsidies.
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So what? How much would you be willing to bet I will get most of it, if not more back? :lol:

cpwill said:
now - this isn't what you've been told. generations of politicians have kept themselves safely seated by telling us it was some kind of savings, or insurance, or retirement program. they even had the SSA send out nifty little yearly statements pretending to show people what 'they' had earned.

only problem was that those 'statements'' were built on the same model that bernie madoffs client account statements' were. and they were both lies.
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I gave up caring about this country years ago. When we have selected government officials suspending elected officials and debtors prisons all over again, they lost any kind of loyalty.

So the US can go to hell for all I care. So this information (as if I didn't know :roll: ) means nothing.

cpwill said:
that depends on how old you are, how much money you have, and how long you intend to live.
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Old enough, plenty and I don't intend to die at any point. :lol:

cpwill said:
actually its about to start being harder to be older.
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Not really. Well maybe if you stay in this country. My wife and I will be retiring to the Caribbean thank you.

cpwill said:
you intend to continue to draw benefits post mortem? are you a chicago voter?
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Why yes I do. I have super powers so I can do that. ;)

cpwill said:
if you are retired then you'd better hope like hell the Ryan plan passes come 2013. because otherwise you are looking at possibly getting thrown off of both SS and Medicare cold turkey in the not-nearly-as-distant-as-we'd-like future.
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Will, this is the same scare tactic Republicans have been using on Seniors for the last what? 30 years? They will not let social security fail. Come hell or high water. Now cuts may happen, and some reductions in other benefits, OK.

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but are you over 70?
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You can retire at 62 through 67 and any time later. What the heck does 70 have to do with it.
 
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EarlzP said:
I started working full time at 17 and "paying" into SS, did you catch the key word "paying" . SS benefits are not a gift from the government they were deducted from our pay checks every pay day, no one said you can chose whether or not you want to contribute. Many people have paid into SS for most of their life, paid to educate our children and now you have the gall to call us greedy because we want a return on our SS investment. I have a better idea why don't you and those who think like you increase the amount you pay in to insure that the SS program continues

Btw I am 64
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You already got your return. Your payments helped to support your parents' generation through retirement. If you wanted the SS program to continue at present levels, you and those that think like you should have increased the amount you payed in to offset the burden of the boomer generation.
 
I'm well under 40, and will probably never see any social security, as those currently over 40 will drain it to the extent that it will probably be dismantled in order to keep the country from completely going under. The net result is that the baby boomers will have managed to make the following generations pay for their excesses.
 
liblady said:
except you were never promised what you paid in.
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Last I checked no one was 'promised' anything. Social Security withholding isnt a choice or an option. Your money is withheld from you for a government program that is designed to pay you a certain return. I get annual statements that show me what I can expect to receive based on what i have payed in (again...bad terminology...I haven't 'paid'...the fed has taken from me without choice). So if you are positing about would we or should we you have to allow for some latitude regarding what people have been 'promised'.

I would be absolutely fine with the Fed giving me back MY money which they took without any say from me. I would gladly fore go any social security offerings and would gladly sign a contract that would make me and my family solely responsible for my long term care. Provided that they returned to me what they have taken for this program.
 
I find it amazing that people on this board can continuously call social security a pension when the AVERAGE payout is 1,177.00, thats average which means just as many GET LESS than get more, the max payment for SS that only the richest of us can qualify for is 2.366.00 which only the richest of american can qualify for.
I also find it incredible that so many of the richer americans on this forum cant even REALIZE that there are people that cannot survive without that little bit of SS and medicare..and I cant believe that there are so many miserable self centered rich americans that cant REALIZE that the working poor and lower middle class workes...Walmart type workers DO NOT make enough money to save for their retirements and health benefits and still by lifes necessities...and I cant believe that the richest of americans cant figure out that they WILL PAY eventually anyway and pay more. I dont like this new america and ive been here alot longer than most of you and I certainly do NOT like this new republican party...Im staying a republican only so I can vote against teaparty brats in the primaries
 
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liblady said:
holy cow. you are either lying or very ignorant. since you don't get ss, would you give up your teacher's pension? after all, taxpayers fund that as well.
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14...lying or ignorant...you are on a tear today arent you?

Heres the basic reality. Every person that has worked has been forced under the threat of prison to pay taxes. Those taxes were not collected just for the operation of the country and spent by a responsible governing body. Those taxes TAKEN without say by citizens of the country were obligated to certain programs for people 'own good' whether they like them or not. Now you would suggest that people that have a reasonable expectation to receive back those funds which have been taken from them are hypocrites because even though they oppose government social programs they wont give up any claim to THEIR OWN MONEY which was taken from them for said programs. Its kind of a silly position to take, Lib...
 
lpast said:
I find it amazing that people on this board can continuously call social security a pension when the AVERAGE payout is 1,177.00, thats average which means just as many GET LESS than get more, the max payment for SS that only the richest of us can qualify for is 2.366.00 which only the richest of american can qualify for.
I also find it incredible that so many of the richer americans on this forum cant even REALIZE that there are people that cannot survive without that little bit of SS and medicare..and I cant believe that there are so many miserable self centered rich americans that cant REALIZE that the working poor and lower middle class workes...Walmart type workers DO NOT make enough money to save for their retirements and health benefits and still by lifes necessities...and I cant believe that the richest of americans cant figure out that they WILL PAY eventually anyway and pay more. I dont like this new america and ive been here alot longer than most of you and I certainly do NOT like this new republican party...Im staying a republican only so I can vote against teaparty brats in the primaries
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Im not sure you have a very good grasp on peoples objections to programs like this or social spending in general. The basic reality is that unless things are done with social security the system will fail. Unless something is done with social spending the sytems will fail. We as a country are 14.5 trillion dollars in DEBT. Thats not a wealthy nation taking care of its poor...thats an irresponsible nation digging an early financial grave for their grandchildren...saddling THEM with debt they had no responsibility in incurring. You say Tea Party brats...OK...thats fine...those 'brats' believe the government should be fiscally responsible. Those 'brats' believe you cant just keep upping the debt ceiling as an answer to every problem. Honest to God...who is the 'brat'... people that insist on fiscal accountability or whiny ****s living their lives on feelings and other peoples dime?
 
VanceMack said:
14...lying or ignorant...you are on a tear today arent you?

Heres the basic reality. Every person that has worked has been forced under the threat of prison to pay taxes. Those taxes were not collected just for the operation of the country and spent by a responsible governing body. Those taxes TAKEN without say by citizens of the country were obligated to certain programs for people 'own good' whether they like them or not. Now you would suggest that people that have a reasonable expectation to receive back those funds which have been taken from them are hypocrites because even though they oppose government social programs they wont give up any claim to THEIR OWN MONEY which was taken from them for said programs. Its kind of a silly position to take, Lib...
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Vance I agree with alot of your post, but theres something your forgetting the middleclass paid taxs all their lives too and what they paid in taxs HURT THEM just as much as the wealthiests taxpayers who paid more its all relative.
We are in debt no doubt we need to cut spending no doubt we need to cut entitlements I agree..we DO NOT NEED TO eliminate most of the wealthiest americans tax burden and put it on the middle class....because the POOR cant pay.
You cant eliminate or change the numbers...the rich have gotten fabulously richer while paying taxs and the working class has stagnated...now the teaparty wants mOAR and mOAR ...enough of the whining please
 
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