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Should be "pro-choice" be renamed to "anti-life"?

Should be "pro-choice" renamed to "anti-life"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 9.4%
  • No

    Votes: 28 87.5%
  • I dunno

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Total voters
    32
It is no less inaccurate because of the varied beliefs behind the abortion issue.

No matter which of the labels I use, both mine and yours, neither are adequate to explain my position behind it.

I disagree, but even if that is true, I will use the label that I believe best describes my position, not the one that someone else chooses that does NOT best describe my position. Pro-choice best decribes where I stand, currently. Pro-abortion does not.
 
But what if you think abortion should be a legal privilege and not a legal right?
It's more of a utilitarian aspect but still valid.

It amounts to the same thing in practice.

Also, seeing abortion "rights" adds another emotional aspect behind the termonology because many believe that the "right" to abortion was falsely found.

I don't think the term "rights" adds an emotional impact. The debate largely centers on whether the interpretation of a right to privacy and that allowing abortion is a valid interpretation.
 
I disagree, but even if that is true, I will use the label that I believe best describes my position, not the one that someone else chooses that does NOT best describe my position. Pro-choice best decribes where I stand, currently. Pro-abortion does not.

That's fine, I'm just trying to be difficult anyway. :mrgreen:
 
In full disclosure, debating for me is a sport and I like to give Redress hell. :)

What HG said is accurate and we are having a good natured debate. We would still go out for a beer later if we where neighbors.
 
The opponents of abortion are "pro-life", but to call pro-abortion movement as "pro-choice" is not true and misleading because abortion is a murder, the womans have the right to know that in reality the supporters of abortions are "anti-life",but not fine, nice, fluffy-bunny and politically correct "pro-choice". Do you agree with, please vote.
I believe women have certain reproductive rights defined by Roe v. Wade. I am not pro-abortion. I would describe myself as pro (advocate for) life, I could never recommend that a pregnant seek an abortion. I also believe those people who call themselves pro-life are not pro-life at all, they are pro birth. They would rather see a woman dying a horrible death at her own hands or the hands of a whack job abortionist. Also, I don't believe these people give a crap about the baby's life after it is born.
 
It amounts to the same thing in practice.

Possibly.

I don't think the term "rights" adds an emotional impact. The debate largely centers on whether the interpretation of a right to privacy and that allowing abortion is a valid interpretation.

Bleh the whole discussion always devolves to emotion anyway.
From FFs said this to supreme court says that, to "your morals are bankrupt" stuff.
 
What HG said is accurate and we are having a good natured debate. We would still go out for a beer later if we where neighbors.

Funny. I feel the same way about you. :2razz:

Which may or may not be odd because I feel most similar to you 2, than any other in the same political ideology as I.

<3 :mrgreen:
 
Possibly.



Bleh the whole discussion always devolves to emotion anyway.
From FFs said this to supreme court says that, to "your morals are bankrupt" stuff.

I had a skipper in the navy, bright guy, and his comment one day on the topic that is largely true: "it all boils down to at what point does it go from being a mass of cells that are part of a woman, to being a person with rights. Carried to an extreme, I have a sock under my rack that is full of millions of dead babies."
 
Which may or may not be odd because I feel most similar to you 2, than any other in the same political ideology as I.

<3 :mrgreen:

Your 2? You are lumping me in with CC? You know, this means war.
 
I had a skipper in the navy, bright guy, and his comment one day on the topic that is largely true: "it all boils down to at what point does it go from being a mass of cells that are part of a woman, to being a person with rights. Carried to an extreme, I have a sock under my rack that is full of millions of dead babies."

:shock: EEEEWwwww
 
It makes more sense to me to be pro-choice if you don't believe there are any moral implications to the act. If you do believe it to be immoral, then how can you support others having a right to do it? Do you also believe people have the right to abuse their children even if it's something you yourself would never do?

Some would say that mere spanking a child for misbehaving is abuse but i myself do not. Should those same people be fighting to make it illegal for me to spank my child? While we are at it, let's just make contraception illegal....and how bout sex before marriage....and it goes on and on and on...
 
The opponents of abortion are "pro-life", but to call pro-abortion movement as "pro-choice" is not true and misleading because abortion is a murder, the womans have the right to know that in reality the supporters of abortions are "anti-life",but not fine, nice, fluffy-bunny and politically correct "pro-choice". Do you agree with, please vote.
God, I don't even support arbortion to any significant degree, but this is just ridiculous. The pro-choice stance has nothing to do with a desire to end lives. The desire to kill babies is not what drives one to be pro-choice. It's about the choice.

To me that is very different from calling someone who is pro-life "anti-abortion." It would be more like calling them anti-women or anti-freedom. But of course, most rationale pro-lifers aren't anti-choice, they simply believe choices are made when couples choose to have sex.
 
So in the previous example of "forcing a mother to give birth in a case where it kills her?" If the mother dies, is the baby a murderer. Should we put the baby in jail for murdering her own mother? I wont even go into the difference between a fetus becomes a baby and my opinion on when one becomes the other, but I don't think the government should decide what a woman can do to her own body.

The baby is a human being immediately after conception, no one mother is allow to decide whether it will be killed or not.
 
I disagree completely, I consider myself pro-life personally, and pro-choice with regards to the legal aspect of it. Morally I don't agree with abortion, but I don't think it should be illegal either.

Sorry, but IMHO a murder must be always illegal, in all cases!
 
Except it's not murder, but I suspect that you do not know the definition of murder, anyhow.

A murder is killing of a human, a baby is a human after its first minutes after conception.
 
The opponents of abortion are "pro-life", but to call pro-abortion movement as "pro-choice" is not true and misleading because abortion is a murder, the womans have the right to know that in reality the supporters of abortions are "anti-life",but not fine, nice, fluffy-bunny and politically correct "pro-choice". Do you agree with, please vote.

No, it doesn't need to be renamed. The terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are aimed only at the abortion topic; not in general.
 
Incorrect.

A conceived zygote is human. It's human cells, human DNA, and human embryologic development. It belongs to the human species. If not, what species are we before we are born? Do we evolve into humans in the womb? Human gametes fuse to make a human zygote.
 
Incorrect.

Correct.

Proof:

Faye Wattleton, the longest reigning president of the largest abortion provider in the world – Planned Parenthood – argued as far back as 1997 that everyone already knows that abortion kills. She proclaims the following in an interview with Ms. Magazine:

I think we have deluded ourselves into believing that people don't know that abortion is killing. So any pretense that abortion is not killing is a signal of our ambivalence, a signal that we cannot say yes, it kills a fetus.1

Naomi Wolf, a prominent feminist author and abortion supporter, makes a similar concession when she writes:

Clinging to a rhetoric about abortion in which there is no life and no death, we entangle our beliefs in a series of self-delusions, fibs and evasions. And we risk becoming precisely what our critics charge us with being: callous, selfish and casually destructive men and women who share a cheapened view of human life...we need to contextualize the fight to defend abortion rights within a moral framework that admits that the death of a fetus is a real death.2

David Boonin, in his book, A Defense of Abortion, makes this startling admission:

In the top drawer of my desk, I keep [a picture of my son]. This picture was taken on September 7, 1993, 24 weeks before he was born. The sonogram image is murky, but it reveals clear enough a small head tilted back slightly, and an arm raised up and bent, with the hand pointing back toward the face and the thumb extended out toward the mouth. There is no doubt in my mind that this picture, too, shows [my son] at a very early stage in his physical development. And there is no question that the position I defend in this book entails that it would have been morally permissible to end his life at this point.3


The Case Against Abortion: Medical Testimony
 
A conceived zygote is human. It's human cells, human DNA, and human embryologic development. It belongs to the human species. If not, what species are we before we are born? Do we evolve into humans in the womb? Human gametes fuse to make a human zygote.

human, yes. a person, no.
 
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