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Do you agree with Obama that we wouldn't be a great country without social programs?

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theplaydrive said:
She was born in 1964 - meaning adulthood around 1984. What amazing things happened in the United States between 1984 and 2008?
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The fall of the Soviet Union, engineered by Ronald Reagan.

The impeachment of a perjurious president.

September 11, 2001, and the American's people's response to that atrocity, as opposed to the liberal president Bush's overall response.

To name just a few good things the United States and it's people accomplished that made any real American proud to be American.

Some things no American should be proud of, the election of Bill Clinton, the re-election of Bill Clinton, the failure of the Senate to convict the impeachment of Bill Clinton, the kidnapping of Noriega, the PATRIOT Act, the formation of the DHS and the TSA, the Brady Bill, Bush I's tax hike, every year's deficit spending on unconstitutional programs, the failure of New Orleans and Louisiana to handle Katrina, the Americans With Disabilities Act, the massacre of the Branch Davidians and the subsequent cover up, the Ruby Ridge incident, the Oklahoma City terrorist act, to name a few of the darker chapters of recent US history.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Depends on the individual. And I do think that some of the programs need to be altered to provide more encouragement for independence. That does not change that their mere existence demonstrates the greatness, civilly, and compassion that is the US.
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The existence of social programs demonstrates our greatness? Our social programs are decidedly less drastic than most of Europe and Canada...and yet we are the preeminent nation.
 
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mac said:
The existence of social programs demonstrates our greatness? Our social programs are decidedly less drastic than most of Europe and Canada...and yet we are the preeminent nation.
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As far as the individual goes....a few may be reached and pushed on to better things, but by and large, social welfare creates dependence and perpetuates poverty.
 
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As I see it, one cannot measure the success or the standard of living of any nation without looking at ALL of its people - the advantaged and the disadvantaged...
By their actions of the last several generations, the conservatives seem not to give a hoot about the disadvantaged....they are, in fact, the political party for the wealthy....
I think that the success of the consevatives is based on man's desire to be "wealthy", the liberals should see this.
Obama will go down in history as one of the great presidents, after all is said and done.
 
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mac said:
As far as the individual goes....a few may be reached and pushed on to better things, but by and large, social welfare creates dependence and perpetuates poverty.
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Disagree...
Hatred and intolerance cause and permeate poverty....And social welfare cannot overcome this.....only a first class education system and time and overcome man's ills.
 
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Mayor Snorkum said:
The fall of the Soviet Union, engineered by Ronald Reagan.

The impeachment of a perjurious president.

September 11, 2001, and the American's people's response to that atrocity, as opposed to the liberal president Bush's overall response.

To name just a few good things the United States and it's people accomplished that made any real American proud to be American.

Some things no American should be proud of, the election of Bill Clinton, the re-election of Bill Clinton, the failure of the Senate to convict the impeachment of Bill Clinton, the kidnapping of Noriega, the PATRIOT Act, the formation of the DHS and the TSA, the Brady Bill, Bush I's tax hike, every year's deficit spending on unconstitutional programs, the failure of New Orleans and Louisiana to handle Katrina, the Americans With Disabilities Act, the massacre of the Branch Davidians and the subsequent cover up, the Ruby Ridge incident, the Oklahoma City terrorist act, to name a few of the darker chapters of recent US history.
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Disagree 99%..
 
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earthworm said:
As I see it, one cannot measure the success or the standard of living of any nation without looking at ALL of its people - the advantaged and the disadvantaged...
By their actions of the last several generations, the conservatives seem not to give a hoot about the disadvantaged....they are, in fact, the political party for the wealthy....
I think that the success of the consevatives is based on man's desire to be "wealthy", the liberals should see this.
Obama will go down in history as one of the great presidents, after all is said and done.
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No, Mayor Snorkum doesn't give a crap about losers who blame their poverty on being "disadvantaged". The Mayor is the descendent of two abject alcoholics who managed to earn enough money be just barely too rich for welfare and not interested in doing anything else. People who want to improve their lives get off their dead asses and do what they need to do. The rest enjoy their time in the hammock.

Obama will go down in history between Jimmy Carter and FDR, ie, the third worst president ever, because he's doing everything he can to increase the dependency that his party must perpetuate if they're to buy votes with other people's money.

The president that tips the hammock out will be one of the great presidents. Obama ain't The One.
 
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earthworm said:
Disagree...
Hatred and intolerance cause and permeate poverty....And social welfare cannot overcome this.....only a first class education system and time and overcome man's ills.
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I agree, poverty was perpetuated long before social welfare - it's not the problem. I think I would switch hatred and intolerance with indifference and intolerance. But yeah, an education system that adequately addresses the unique learning barriers that poor students bring with them would be the best way to tackle poverty.
 
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Mellie said:
“‘There but for the grace of God go I,’ we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities,” Obama said. “We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further – we would not be a great country without those commitments.”[/I]

Do you agree that we wouldn't be a great country without SS, Medicare and Medicaid?
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Absolutely. It is our humanity as a nation which is our real measure. However, the specific forms of those programs could change without changing the intent, depending on what is possible given our current economics. The ideal should never change though, unless we get a point where we are post scarcity.
 
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Mellie said:
“‘There but for the grace of God go I,’ we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities,” Obama said. “We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further – we would not be a great country without those commitments.”[/I]

Do you agree that we wouldn't be a great country without SS, Medicare and Medicaid?
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I really had to think about this question Mellie and I have to say No having social security and medicare singularly does not make us a great country nor would not having them make us not to be a great country.
Having said that the anger on both sides of the Social Security Medicare issue have merits. I can fully understand under the circumstances the country has been BROUGHT to has made the younger generation the Walkers, Ryans, Rand Pauls etc go on the attack that they are. If you look at the other sides point of view, Social Security would be more than solvent with just the FORCED payroll deductions of the mass's if the Govt didnt STEAL our Money that they forced us to pay for decades.
Social Security is alot easier to fix than Medicare, they need to take great care what they do with medicare because no matter what...the country will pay for old people that get sick and cant pay themselves or afford health care.
Im retired and I live in the land of the retiree florida everyone I talk too feels the same way...Its not that they are against reforms, they are against this quite apparent attack on SS and medicare by the teaparty youngsters while giving billions to the rich. That is the teapartys biggest problem with their image.
If they RAILED on cutting foreign aid and railed on Illegal Immigration along with Changes to SS and medicare it would serve them much better...but all were hearing is Attack SS and medicare and Public workers make them pay through the nose and lower their benefits and give mOAR TAX CUTS TO THE RICH who are paying alot less taxs already than they have in other periods of our history...and that is whats pissing older people off....WHO VOTE...
The teaparty needs to change their format...and balance the pain and go after what everyone knows is costing us billions along with SS and medicare.
 
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No, America was a great country before they were introduced, his statement is ignorant of history.
 
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If they make a Country great, why is the PM of England denouncing such programs that are more extensive then there American Counterparts. I would have to say these programs do not makes us great. What makes us a Great Country is are freedoms and limited government. Obama is in election mode try to appeal to his voting blocks.
 
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Another thing.

The fundamental problem with the question in the OP is that the idea of greatness entirely depends on the person being asked.
 
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megaprogman said:
Another thing.

The fundamental problem with the question in the OP is that the idea of greatness entirely depends on the person being asked.
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Exactly, so if you measure greatness by solely whether a country has enacted social programs, then he's right, but to measure it by any other standard, then he's wrong, as the country woukd have continued to be great without those programs.
 
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Bruce said:
No, American was a great country before they were introduced, his statement is ignorant of history.
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His statement didn't make any judgments about American before they were introduced.
 
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theplaydrive said:
His statement didn't make any judgments about American before they were introduced.
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:lol: No idea what you're talking about...:mrgreen:
 
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earthworm said:
Disagree...
Hatred and intolerance cause and permeate poverty
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Interesting choices of words there. Could you explain more? I believe lack of motivation to get out there and fend for yourself is a major reason why poverty is still a problem in this country. People have learned that you don't really have to work because the government is right there for you to be your nanny. No, I'm not talking about people who cannot work.

earthworm said:
only a first class education system and time and overcome man's ills.
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We could have the best education system in the world, but that's not going to take my child's drunk parent and make her care. That's not going to turn off TVs and video games around the world and force kids to play outside. That's not going to stop the reading disabilities handed down from maternal alcohol or drug use.

People need to change, not government systems.
 
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earthworm said:
Hatred and intolerance cause and permeate poverty
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no, poverty is the natural state of man. hatred and intolerance have nothing to do with it.
 
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theplaydrive said:
His statement didn't make any judgments about American before they were introduced.
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actually they do. if you are "not" great without something, then you were "not great" before you had it.
 
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Mellie said:
Interesting choices of words there. Could you explain more? I believe lack of motivation to get out there and fend for yourself is a major reason why poverty is still a problem in this country. People have learned that you don't really have to work because the government is right there for you to be your nanny. No, I'm not talking about people who cannot work.

We could have the best education system in the world, but that's not going to take my child's drunk parent and make her care. That's not going to turn off TVs and video games around the world and force kids to play outside. That's not going to stop the reading disabilities handed down from maternal alcohol or drug use.

People need to change, not government systems.
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So then what would you suggest to end the poverty problem in this country? On the one hand you say government maintains the problem and on the other you imply that personal problems like drug use and video games are part of the problem. What's your solution?
 
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cpwill said:
actually they do. if you are "not" great without something, then you were "not great" before you had it.
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that simple logical concept appears beyond most liberals understanding.
 
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cpwill said:
actually they do. if you are "not" great without something, then you were "not great" before you had it.
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Actually, we've already been over this.

He says "we", meaning current Americans/the current United States, would not be great without these programs. He doesn't even mention past Americans.
 
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earthworm said:
Disagree...
Hatred and intolerance cause and permeate poverty....And social welfare cannot overcome this.....only a first class education system and time and overcome man's ills.
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No, lack of ambition is caused by social welfare. It is lack of ambition that perpetuates poverty.
 
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