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Would you switch health care system?

Would you switch?

  • I live in America and want only government helth care

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • I live in America and want government health care with private option

    Votes: 8 47.1%
  • I live in America and support today's system

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • I don't live in America and want only government helth care

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • I don't live in America and want government health care with private option

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • I don't live in America and want the American health care system

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Total voters
    17

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From this topic http://www.debatepolitics.com/educa...pies-everywhere-especially-uc-berkeley-8.html "Dittohead not!" mentioned that no non-americans want to switch health care system with the US. I wan to see if that is true.

Also, post why you do or don't want to switch.



Edit: Only government health care - means that private health care is illegal. And everyone get the same health care. Canada is an example of this system.

Government health care with private option - Means everyone can get government health care, but if you want to you can get private health care. And people getting private health insurance is encouraged. Australia is an example of this.
 
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Other: I live in America and want a deregulated medical system.

The other options are merely gimmicks and/or fallacies of a single cause.

Well, the question is what system would you prefer. Would you prefer the Canadian system, Australian system or the American system with all the imperfections that they have. If there was a country with a more libeterian system than the American system I would have listed it. So if you could choose between something similar to today's system or the other ones, which ones would you pick.
 
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Well, the question is what system would you prefer. Would you prefer the Canadian system, Australian system or the American system with all the imperfections that they have. So if you could choose between something similar to today's system or the other ones, which ones would you pick.

None of the above.

I don't want regulated medical care as we, or any other nation, have it now.

People often make the fallacy that because we don't have UHC, or some form there of, that is why we have so many problems.
When I have exhaustively put forth multiple reasons that can skew our results.

The intellectually lazy way is to say UHC/Single payer is the answer.

Edit: The closest nation that I could agree with would be the Singapore system.
 
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I prefer the american system, I dont know much about the australian system and what I can tell you about the canadian system is we have clinics set up here in florida that cater to canadians and I was told the ones that can afford it come here for health care.
My wife has many facebook friends from england and she tells me none of them are happy with their health care either. Keep in mind they are all in their 50s and 60s. Younger people will have a much different assessment of health care systems basically becuase they dont need it like the older people. If I were answering this question at 30 my answer would have been I dont know enough about ours or any other health care system to give an honest answer.
 
American system, FAR more regulated than it is now.
 
From this topic http://www.debatepolitics.com/educa...pies-everywhere-especially-uc-berkeley-8.html "Dittohead not!" mentioned that no non-americans want to switch health care system with the US. I wan to see if that is true.

Also, post why you do or don't want to switch.



Edit: Only government health care - means that private health care is illegal. And everyone get the same health care. Canada is an example of this system.

Government health care with private option - Means everyone can get government health care, but if you want to you can get private health care. And people getting private health insurance is encouraged. Australia is an example of this.

I'd like to ban all health insurance except for catastrophic coverage and have people deal directly with their provider. That option was not available in the poll, so I went with government HC with private option.
 
Regulated in what way ?

First and foremost take all treatment decisions out of the hand of insurance companies and solely in the hands of providers.
 
first and foremost take all treatment decisions out of the hand of insurance companies and solely in the hands of providers.

agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Actually, re-reading the list, I would choose government health care with a private option. Probably the choice that most fits the plan that I have developed. Same regulations for both the government and private organizations.
 
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I dont want govt run insurance I believe the health care greatly diminishs in quality with the govt running it.
Forty years ago most every full time job provided health insurance for their employees but like everything else today employers whine they cant afford anything all the while giving multimillion dollar paydays to CEOs whether they fail or not. One of the biggest reasons I dont want govt health care, call me callous but I dont believe an illegal immigrant breaking our laws and invading our country should get the same quality of AMERICAN health care as my kids and grandkids.
 
I dont want govt run insurance I believe the health care greatly diminishs in quality with the govt running it.
Forty years ago most every full time job provided health insurance for their employees but like everything else today employers whine they cant afford anything all the while giving multimillion dollar paydays to CEOs whether they fail or not. One of the biggest reasons I dont want govt health care, call me callous but I dont believe an illegal immigrant breaking our laws and invading our country should get the same quality of AMERICAN health care as my kids and grandkids.

See, I think government health care should be an option for everyone, though not dictated towards anyone. And I agree with you; illegal immigrants should NEVER be allowed government health care under any circumstances.
 
See, I think government health care should be an option for everyone, though not dictated towards anyone. And I agree with you; illegal immigrants should NEVER be allowed government health care under any circumstances.

I dont see any way a hybrid govt/private plan could work....how would it be funded
 
I dont see any way a hybrid govt/private plan could work....how would it be funded

A couple of ways. Firstly, from funds from folks dropping their private insurance. This would be in the form of an "opt out" taxation. Secondly, funds from Medicare/Medicaid which, in my plan, would be replaced by the overall government plan. Thirdly, since a bit of cost comes from government assistance for those who do not have insurance and need some sort of treatment (something that would no longer be allowed), this money could then be added to the overall health care fund.
 
I sort of support government health care with a private option. I believe everyone should get catastrophic coverage from the government, and if you want better coverage in addition to that, you get it from a private source.
 
A couple of ways. Firstly, from funds from folks dropping their private insurance. This would be in the form of an "opt out" taxation. Secondly, funds from Medicare/Medicaid which, in my plan, would be replaced by the overall government plan. Thirdly, since a bit of cost comes from government assistance for those who do not have insurance and need some sort of treatment (something that would no longer be allowed), this money could then be added to the overall health care fund.

Babyboomers would try to assinate anyone who messed with their medicare...lol you should see how some of my fellow old goats bristle at the mere mention of their medicare
 
Babyboomers would try to assinate anyone who messed with their medicare...lol you should see how some of my fellow old goats bristle at the mere mention of their medicare

Yeah... I can see that, but, I believe that the plan that I have would replace Medicare, adequately.
 
Yeah... I can see that, but, I believe that the plan that I have would replace Medicare, adequately.

To be honest captain I have strong feelings about people without health care...I feel for them, any human being who has excellent coverage knows how good it is to be able to go to a dr whenever you dont feel good OR more importantly bring your kids when they are sick. Anyone that runs around saying everyone should pay for their own healthcare is a callous unrealistic individual in my opinion...you cannot pay for your own health insurance on small business pay or walmart or kmart pay either.
The health care issue is so convoluted and divided ideologically I doubt there will be any resolution in the rest of the time I have here on earth. Clearly something has to be done.
 
To be honest captain I have strong feelings about people without health care...I feel for them, any human being who has excellent coverage knows how good it is to be able to go to a dr whenever you dont feel good OR more importantly bring your kids when they are sick. Anyone that runs around saying everyone should pay for their own healthcare is a callous unrealistic individual in my opinion...you cannot pay for your own health insurance on small business pay or walmart or kmart pay either.
The health care issue is so convoluted and divided ideologically I doubt there will be any resolution in the rest of the time I have here on earth. Clearly something has to be done.

I agree with you... to a point. I work as a provider in the health care industry and deal with this issue every day. Far too often, people cannot get the health care they need either because of inadequate coverage or because private insurance companies deny them the usage of the coverage that they have. However, I also think that an individual has a responsibility to, at the very least, make choices to assist with their health care. If a government option is available, and one CHOOSES to opt out of it, if they then get ill and have a problem paying, I have no sympathy for them. They had an option to have assistance and refused.
 
I agree with you... to a point. I work as a provider in the health care industry and deal with this issue every day. Far too often, people cannot get the health care they need either because of inadequate coverage or because private insurance companies deny them the usage of the coverage that they have. However, I also think that an individual has a responsibility to, at the very least, make choices to assist with their health care. If a government option is available, and one CHOOSES to opt out of it, if they then get ill and have a problem paying, I have no sympathy for them. They had an option to have assistance and refused.

I am so fortunate and so has my family been all my working life ive had excellent health coverage, Ive never experienced the problems ive read others have had with health insurers refusing treatment etc. The biggest issue ive had to deal with and its been just lately has been my insurer balking at paying for some of the "NEWEST drugs on the market that have been prescribed.
 
This topic annoys me to such a great deal.
Let's get an understanding of what insurance is supposed to be first.

"In law and economics, insurance is a form of risk management primarily used to hedge against the risk of a contingent, uncertain loss."

Insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does anyone buy homeowners insurance because they expect their house to burn down once a year?
Does anyone expect the homeowners insurance company to pay for paint, insulation, new siding, any other thing related to maintaining a home?

No.

Go back to the definition of insurance and read it very very carefully.

You cannot insure against something that is going to happen and it be cheap.
Regular medications, annual physicals, regular visits for colds and the flu, pregnancy among all the other things, cannot be insured against.

So what happens, insurance goes up to crazy heights.

Add in all the federal and state mandates on insurance and what people are allowed to pay out of pocket and the price keeps going up and up.

The government (both state and federal) created this problem and now so many of us look to them to solve it. :roll:
 
This topic annoys me to such a great deal.
Let's get an understanding of what insurance is supposed to be first.

"In law and economics, insurance is a form of risk management primarily used to hedge against the risk of a contingent, uncertain loss."

Insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does anyone buy homeowners insurance because they expect their house to burn down once a year?
Does anyone expect the homeowners insurance company to pay for paint, insulation, new siding, any other thing related to maintaining a home?

No.

Go back to the definition of insurance and read it very very carefully.

You cannot insure against something that is going to happen and it be cheap.
Regular medications, annual physicals, regular visits for colds and the flu, pregnancy among all the other things, cannot be insured against.

So what happens, insurance goes up to crazy heights.

Add in all the federal and state mandates on insurance and what people are allowed to pay out of pocket and the price keeps going up and up.

The government (both state and federal) created this problem and now so many of us look to them to solve it. :roll:

Ok..then maybe health insurance shouldnt be a for profit business, since your dealing with lives and quality of life, the cost would drop like a rock
 
Ok..then maybe health insurance shouldnt be a for profit business, since your dealing with lives and quality of life, the cost would drop like a rock

A lot of the insurance market was non profit before WW2 and then the moronic wage freezes that companies were put under gave birth to what we have now.
That is were the modern form of employer provided insurance came from.

All the not for profits, fee for service and hospital plans got dumped in favor of the employer based model.

Before all this nonsense, medical care was affordable out of pocket for regular everyday things.
The profit end of it is really minor compared to the problems with the doctors guild, insurance lobby and many other groups.
 
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