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Would you switch health care system?

Would you switch?

  • I live in America and want only government helth care

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • I live in America and want government health care with private option

    Votes: 8 47.1%

  • I live in America and support today's system

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • I don't live in America and want only government helth care

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • I don't live in America and want government health care with private option

    Votes: 3 17.6%

  • I don't live in America and want the American health care system

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Total voters
    17
Harry Guerrilla said:
A lot of the insurance market was non profit before WW2 and then the moronic wage freezes that companies were put under gave birth to what we have now.
That is were the modern form of employer provided insurance came from.

All the not for profits, fee for service and hospital plans got dumped in favor of the employer based model.

Before all this nonsense, medical care was affordable out of pocket for regular everyday things.
The profit end of it is really minor compared to the problems with the doctors guild, insurance lobby and many other groups.
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Harry back then WW2 and shortly after you didnt have the tests or medicine you have today and lets face it the average worker made 16 bucks a week and rent was 20bucks or less and you could go on a date for nickle or a dime....the costs went up for everything.
There are still not for profit hospitals there is one right in my county. I disagree that the profit end is minor...its actually huge.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Other: I live in America and want a deregulated medical system.

The other options are merely gimmicks and/or fallacies of a single cause.
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bingo. where's the "i live in America and would like to get rid of Obamacare and move away from an employer-provided-insurance" option?
 
lpast said:
Ok..then maybe health insurance shouldnt be a for profit business, since your dealing with lives and quality of life, the cost would drop like a rock
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yeah. why, can you imagine the horror if health insurance only cost as much as auto or life insurance?
 
cpwill said:
bingo. where's the "i live in America and would like to get rid of Obamacare and move away from an employer-provided-insurance" option?
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This is one of the most difficult topics to discuss because of the pure ignorance, political string pulling and bias within medical care.

I've spent at least a 100 hours or more researching this in detail, to come to my conclusions.
But people love their silver bullet solutions, even when they put no real thought into it.
 
A major start toward slashing costs is looking at the manufacturing pharmaceutical companies and how they're gaulging prices to hospitals. If you look at other countries similar is not the exact same medicine is drastically cheaper in some fields.

Also I think that malpractice needs to be changed. Humans aren't perfect and they're going to make mistakes over their careers, everyone does. If you're willing to go to the particular hospital and doctor then hopefully you have at least invested some time and thought into why you picked him (his field of expertise and experience) you shouldn't be able to sue for millions if something goes wrong.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
This is one of the most difficult topics to discuss because of the pure ignorance, political string pulling and bias within medical care.

I've spent at least a 100 hours or more researching this in detail, to come to my conclusions.
But people love their silver bullet solutions, even when they put no real thought into it.
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The US Government Is Evil. It oppresses people around the globe via the IMF and International Bank. It abuses people of color and encourages sexist anti-woman policies here at home. It sends our young men into imperialistic wars where it uses their blood to fuel it's war machine which is designed to murder foriegn children in return for dirty foriegn oil; which it prefers to get because it can't pollute here in the US as much as it would like. It may or may not have been responsible for the mass-murder of Americans on 9/11, but either way it has leaped on that attack and used the emotions from it to keep American citizens in the dark and bloodthirsty to feed it's sick, twisted, evil military industrial halliburton complex that feeds off the suffering of innocents.


:) that's why we want it in charge of our healthcare.
 
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cpwill said:
bingo. where's the "i live in America and would like to get rid of Obamacare and move away from an employer-provided-insurance" option?
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I regret not adding a fourth option, but it was too late when I created the poll. So my poll is somwhat skewed to the left. What I should have done is to provide a fourth opton, which is a private option with no government handouts or regulations. If you want today's system, but want to move away from employers-based system, then in essence you want today's system with some modifications.

Secondly there are countries where they have a more liberalised health care system than the US. (Some poor countries and old USA)

However, I believe Americans would be quite happy with Australia's system. Did you guys know that 43% of Australians are on private health insurance. Among Americans it is 69% who is on private health insurance. If you earn above a certain income in the Australia, then you have to pay more in tax if you choose to use governmental health care. Secondly, private health care offers more and better services. This prevents liberals from overregulating the private health care, keeps cost down and also make sure that everyone recieve health care.
 
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We can start by making sure everyone has health care and work our way down. I chose UHC with private option. That way the rich can still have the spoils.
 
Camlon said:
I regret not adding a fourth option, but it was too late when I created the poll. So my poll is somwhat skewed to the left. What I should have done is to provide a fourth opton, which is a private option with no government handouts or regulations. If you want today's system, but want to move away from employers-based system, then in essence you want today's system with some modifications.

Secondly there are countries where they have a more liberalised health care system than the US. (Some poor countries and old USA)

However, I believe Americans would be quite happy with Australia's system. Did you guys know that 43% of Australians are on private health insurance. Among Americans it is 69% who is on private health insurance. If you earn above a certain income in the Australia, then you have to pay more in tax if you choose to use governmental health care. Secondly, private health care offers more and better services. This prevents liberals from overregulating the private health care, keeps cost down and also make sure that everyone recieve health care.
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more and more I am becoming convinced that, if all goes south, ya'll are my escape hatch.
 
yup. one of the upsides of being #10 on the scale of freedom is there are 9 other places to flee to.
 
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