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The Tea Party Is.....

What is the Tea Party to America?

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Hicup said:
The link to the US census that this is presumably tallied from is no longer working. But either way, what is the answer, CT? Should we throw even more money at minority poverty? Asians are an even higher minority, Jews but yet they don't seem to have the same levels of poverty? It isn't that they are a minority then, so it must be something else; culture perhaps? Indentured servitude? Fatherless babies? I don't know, but it seems endemic to a very select demographic.


Tim-
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I'm a libertarian. Why do you think that I support throwing money at anyone? I simply like facts. I know that is something that you could never understand. I think a debate needs to be based on facts for it to be worth anything, not semantics like you use in every debate, but on actual observable and measurable ideas. When people say something that is wrong, I'm going to correct them because if I don't then nobody learns. If an ideology cannot stay faithful to the truth, then it isn't a worthy ideology. I have nothing to fear to sticking to facts, unlike you who has to distort them every chance he gets.

Now as I requested kindly in my PM to you, stop talking to me.
 
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What is most interesting is the continued pegging of the Tea Party to mean virtually every conservative impulse under the sun. It does contain those people, but as a group, the Tea Party is little interested in, say, religious conservatism. It's a fantastic ploy by Democrats to paint strong opposition as Tea Party.
 
Fiddytree said:
What is most interesting is the continued pegging of the Tea Party to mean virtually every conservative impulse under the sun. It does contain those people, but as a group, the Tea Party is little interested in, say, religious conservatism. It's a fantastic ploy by Democrats to paint strong opposition as Tea Party.
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:roll: This is ridiculous.

Tea Party Closely Linked to Religious Right, Poll Finds - The Note

Christian conservatives make up only 22% of America but comprise half of the tea party movement. As a group the tea party is just as much a religious movement as it is an economic one.
 
CriticalThought said:
Most major cities have fallen apart as a result of the manufacturing industry shutting down and being outsourced. It has little to do with the economic policies of either party. I sincerely doubt it is any different where you were raised.

You want to demonstrate how critical you are, show me some evidence that your city is any different.
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You expect me to show evidence from 50 yrs ago...Ill pass on that...crime and taxs were the major contributors to the decaying and the present decay of cities...the jobs moved OUT...to cheaper pastures
 
megaprogman said:
Possibly, but studies have shown that the tea party tends to be socially and fiscally conservative, not just fiscally. However, I believe during its early days it was only about fiscal issues, so you would be right too.

The Tea Party, Religion and Social Issues - Pew Research Center
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Thank you. That poll showed what I suspected, and that I am more inline with the tea party than the Republican party.
As far as social issues, it still is going to have to keep fiscal issues as it's number one priority.Unless I read it wrong TP's are more in favor of gay marriage than republicans, but are more pro-life.
They also are more for a secure border than Republicans.
 
lpast said:
You expect me to show evidence from 50 yrs ago...Ill pass on that...crime and taxs were the major contributors to the decaying and the present decay of cities...the jobs moved OUT...to cheaper pastures
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For somebody who is demanding I be critical it doesn't seem like you are all that critical. The fact is, it doesn't matter how good your economic policies are. Cities are largely based on manufacturing. If there aren't any jobs, then things are going to fall apart. Here is some more data for ya.

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sazerac said:
I've been told they are extreme.
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Yea, that cracks me up. Putting our country in the position where we are borrowing 40 cents for every dollar we spend is not "extreme" but cutting spending by a few billion is "extreme" Go figure.
 
CriticalThought said:
Most major cities have fallen apart as a result of the manufacturing industry shutting down and being outsourced. It has little to do with the economic policies of either party. I sincerely doubt it is any different where you were raised.

You want to demonstrate how critical you are, show me some evidence that your city is any different.
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Not just major cities. There are a huge number of small towns that have turned into a ghost of their former selves because the major employer left. Once where you had good families and decent jobs, now you have crystal meth...
 
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CriticalThought said:
I'm a libertarian. Why do you think that I support throwing money at anyone? I simply like facts. I know that is something that you could never understand. I think a debate needs to be based on facts for it to be worth anything, not semantics like you use in every debate, but on actual observable and measurable ideas. When people say something that is wrong, I'm going to correct them because if I don't then nobody learns. If an ideology cannot stay faithful to the truth, then it isn't a worthy ideology. I have nothing to fear to sticking to facts, unlike you who has to distort them every chance he gets.

Now as I requested kindly in my PM to you, stop talking to me.
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Umm.. What exactly is the format for debating facts? Nobody debates facts silly.. We're all interested in them, sure, and when they are presented we must conceed. Start presenting them and see if I challenge you? Fail to present them, and I'll challenge you everytime, which is generally how people debate. They don't debate facts (RE: Zyphlin's statistical breakdown of minority welfare) they debate the details surrounding those facts, and present variables that, if otherwise present would cause the fact to come into question.

No get with the program already.. :)


Tim-
 
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CriticalThought said:
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There is one black guy in this crowd. See if you can find him.

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Here is another. Can you find the one Asian?

Tea Party rally pics could be used like "Where's Waldo" books, only just make it into "Where's the Racial Minority?"
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Blacks are the minority in America. 95% of that minority voted for Obama. The percentage of black people who are Democrats isn't much lower. Why would you even expect a lot of black people to be attending tea party rally's at this time?
However, times are a changin'. I believe blacks are finally waking up and more and more will become conservatives. Herman Cain and Alan West are tea party favorites. I don't know how that could happen if the TP is racist.
 
CriticalThought said:
:roll: This is ridiculous.

Tea Party Closely Linked to Religious Right, Poll Finds - The Note

Christian conservatives make up only 22% of America but comprise half of the tea party movement. As a group the tea party is just as much a religious movement as it is an economic one.
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No, its not.

It has MEMBERS that are. However the group isn't a religious focused one.

Lets say I advertise for a group of Football fans to talk about football, setup football events, watch football, etc. We'll call it "Football Club". I get a lot of people to come out and this group starts having these events. Now, since many people who like one sport like other sports as well, suddenly we find out that half of the people in this club also like Baseball. Individually, they may even organize up and go to baseball events or be more in favor of events with the "Footbal club" watching football also will have baseball on TV rather than events that won't have this. That doesn't mean "Football Club" suddenly becomes about Football AND baseball. "Football Club" is still doing events based on football. "Football Club" has members joining first and foremost due to caring about Football. "Football Club" is about Football, but some of its members have other interests and are not robots so don't just participate in one thing and one thing only.

The Tea Party is about fiscal and governmental conservatism. That's what its policies, its views, its movement is about. Because of that it does tend to attract people with other conservative views, and those other people may push on more individual or localized levels for their other views as well as the Tea Parties. But the Tea Party, as a movement, has never focused nor made a part of its core principles nor heavily endorsed singularly other forms of Conservatism other than Fiscal and Governmental. It doesn't say they're bad, it doesn't say their good, its indifferent, because its not what the group is about.
 
Barbbtx said:
Yea, that cracks me up. Putting our country in the position where we are borrowing 40 cents for every dollar we spend is not "extreme" but cutting spending by a few billion is "extreme" Go figure.
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Hey Barb, that is entirely a straw man. If you are going to debate issues, at least debate what people actually say, not what you wish they would say.
 
Zyphlin said:
No, its not.

It has MEMBERS that are. However the group isn't a religious focused one.

Lets say I advertise for a group of Football fans to talk about football, setup football events, watch football, etc. We'll call it "Football Club". I get a lot of people to come out and this group starts having these events. Now, since many people who like one sport like other sports as well, suddenly we find out that half of the people in this club also like Baseball. Individually, they may even organize up and go to baseball events or be more in favor of events with the "Footbal club" watching football also will have baseball on TV rather than events that won't have this. That doesn't mean "Football Club" suddenly becomes about Football AND baseball. "Football Club" is still doing events based on football. "Football Club" has members joining first and foremost due to caring about Football. "Football Club" is about Football, but some of its members have other interests and are not robots so don't just participate in one thing and one thing only.

The Tea Party is about fiscal and governmental conservatism. That's what its policies, its views, its movement is about. Because of that it does tend to attract people with other conservative views, and those other people may push on more individual or localized levels for their other views as well as the Tea Parties. But the Tea Party, as a movement, has never focused nor made a part of its core principles nor heavily endorsed singularly other forms of Conservatism other than Fiscal and Governmental. It doesn't say they're bad, it doesn't say their good, its indifferent, because its not what the group is about.
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I think its fair to say in an org where it is grass roots and without an enforced definition or heirarchy to create a definition, that whatever its members are, it is. In your example a person started the football club and is responsible for it and to it. This is not the case with the tea party. At least, this is how I look at it.
 
I find it sad that this has become about race. Of all the interesting things to talk about in relation to the tea party, you all talk about the least interesting factor.
 
CriticalThought said:
Here is another. Can you find the one Asian?

Tea Party rally pics could be used like "Where's Waldo" books, only just make it into "Where's the Racial Minority?"
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How many black guys do you think you will find at anti-war rallies? At Gay rights rallies? on the staff at MSNBC or NPR? And what difference does any of this make? With the steady stream of lies labelling the Tea party racist how many would hyou EXPECT to find there?

The Tea Party promotes one primary message...fiscal responsibility. Id love to see the fiscally conservative democrat version of people standing in opposition to out of control government spending.

And BTW...what is this tendency to create so much heat about the 'Tea Party'? Could it be that the 'Tea Party' threatens what many want most...MORE government spending...more free cheese?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So you are saying the tea party activley excludes black folk? There are numerous black folks in the tea party, to suggest its a white movement is dishonest. I find your posts racist and abhorrent.
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They exclude themselves because most blacks are still democrats/liberals.
The left prefers to call the Tea Party racist, because ignoring facts is what they do best.
 
Yes, there are some in the tea party faction who are concerned mainly with fiscal responsibility - or at least their particular spin on what constitutes that concept.

And yes, there are others who are using that facade to attempt to promote a far rightist agenda that has failed to get off the ground over the last fifty years.

The existence of one group does not deny the existence of the other group. They both seem fairly comfortable with each other.
 
Zyphlin said:
The Tea Party is about fiscal and governmental conservatism.
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I really believe you believe that is the case, but the reality is that it is a religous movement. That will become more apparant in the years to come.
 
Your Star said:
The tea party may be about economic issues, but it does attract more conservatives than liberals, and more social conservatives than libertarians. It may have started out as a libertarian movement, but it has evolved since then.

Polling the Tea Party - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com
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I really don't know why any liberal would agree with the tea party. Blue dog dems, but not liberals or even regular dems.
Government is not the answer, but Liberals think it is.
If liberals start identifying with the TP, either they are changing their views and no longer liberal, or something has seriously gone wrong with the TP.
 
haymarket said:
Yes, there are some in the tea party faction who are concerned mainly with fiscal responsibility - or at least their particular spin on what constitutes that concept.

And yes, there are others who are using that facade to attempt to promote a far rightist agenda that has failed to get off the ground over the last fifty years.

The existence of one group does not deny the existence of the other group. They both seem fairly comfortable with each other.
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So its fair to say that all liberals are racist because their are racists amongst their numbers? Beautiful logic process that!

The Tea Party FORMED to fight excessive government spending. the Tea Party formed to stand AGAINST a REPUBLICAN president. You may not like it (yeah...thats what we call an 'understatement') but their primary goal is to oppose out of control federal spending.
 
Your Star said:
The tea party may be about economic issues, but it does attract more conservatives than liberals, and more social conservatives than libertarians. It may have started out as a libertarian movement, but it has evolved since then.

Polling the Tea Party - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com
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That CANT be a surprise tho, right? By and large MOST conservatives are opposed to federal spending on social issues (and are far less concerned than they should be about federal spending on things like military spending) whereas most liberals...well...reverse that. More social spending, less defense spending. Maybe we would ALL benefit if we were unitied on excessive and out of control federal spending first.
 
VanceMack said:
So its fair to say that all liberals are racist because their are racists amongst their numbers? Beautiful logic process that!

The Tea Party FORMED to fight excessive government spending. the Tea Party formed to stand AGAINST a REPUBLICAN president. You may not like it (yeah...thats what we call an 'understatement') but their primary goal is to oppose out of control federal spending.
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But only if God is in agreement... :)

/Sarc off


Tim-
 
CriticalThought said:
I really believe you believe that is the case, but the reality is that it is a religous movement. That will become more apparant in the years to come.
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Sure...that was their motivation...George Bush was proposing bailing out the banks and a group of people banded together and said THIS would be a great time to form a religous anti-government movement... :doh
 
Hicup said:
But only if God is in agreement... :)

/Sarc off


Tim-
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Yeah...cuz they are all secretly disguising wood crosses under those flags...and...wait...let me guess...manage to put aside their specific religous backgrounds for a 'greater good'....
 
CriticalThought said:
Oh that was a question? The answer would be no. I'm sorry that you were offended by the two pics of tea party rallies that I randomly grabbed off of google images.

It's totally not a white movement. The fact that 95% of the movement is white is just a coincidence. :roll:
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No, not considering only about 5% of blacks voted against Obama. Are the blacks racist against old white guys like McCain, or is it that most black people are democrats and wouldn't identify with tea party?
 
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