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The Tea Party Is.....

What is the Tea Party to America?


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You have a token black guy! Cool!

So, I can point out African Americans at Tea Party rallies who support those ideals and they are just "token black people." Yet you could point out "racists" who could most likely be liberal plants into the Tea Party and that automatically makes the entire group a racist organization of white angry Republicans...
 
Well more than one poster has called me a racist in the past simply for supporting the ideals of the tea party. It's a blatant and rephrenesible lie, that starts out as "innocently" as Criticaltho0ughts post #3.

It is mostly white... pointing that out isn't racist. Are you uncomfortable with people pointing out that is mostly white?
 
I'm only pointing it out because of how funny their reaction is to it. They seriously have a problem with belonging to a mostly white group and I'm not sure why.

Well, it typically a ****ty way to show "proof" that a group has a racial prejudice, it's inflammatory for nasty reasons.
Doesn't really add to the debate over, what the group represents is good or not.
 
It is mostly white... pointing that out isn't racist. Are you uncomfortable with people pointing out that is mostly white?



Context. And when you get called a racist over and over again, wouldn't you become quick to smack down idiotic posts that would lend credence to that lie of a view?
 
So, I can point out African Americans at Tea Party rallies who support those ideals and they are just "token black people." Yet you could point out "racists" who could most likely be liberal plants into the Tea Party and that automatically makes the entire group a racist organization of white angry Republicans...

Dude, 89% of the tea party is white. Less than 5% is black. That means in a crowd of 20 tea partiers, maybe one of them will be black. Furthermore, these videos exist to demonstrate to the world that the tea party is not completely white. This guy wasn't videoed becasue of his opinion, he was videoed becasue of the color of his skin. By definition, when the tea party uses someone in that fashioin they are using them as a token.
 
Possibly, but studies have shown that the tea party tends to be socially and fiscally conservative, not just fiscally. However, I believe during its early days it was only about fiscal issues, so you would be right too.

The Tea Party, Religion and Social Issues - Pew Research Center

Yes, the Tea Party's membership tends to be largely socially conservative as well as fiscally conservative. Ironically enough, the Religious Right is made up of people that by and large likely tend towards fiscal conservatism as well...yet I doubt you'd claim that The Religious Right is a fiscal movement.

The Tea Party is a CONSERVATIVE movement focused on Fiscal and Governmental issues. As such, its likely to attract CONSERVATIVES, which includes individuals that are social conservative. That doesn't mean that the movements message is one of Social Conservatism.

I would bet money that most of those that make up the Anti-War movement are also pro-gun control. does that mean that the Anti-War movement is also a pro-gun control movement? I bet a majority of them are also environmentalists. Is the Anti-War Movement an Environmentalist movement as well?

You have four major types of conservatives existing in America in recent years. When talking just about Fiscal and Social conservatism they'd lean in the following ways.

- Libertarians, who usually lean right on fiscal issues and left on social issues.
- Paleoconservatives, who usually lean right on Fiscal issue and right on Social issues
- The Religious Right, who vary on their leans on Fiscal issues and right on social issues.
- Neo-Conservatives, who vary on their leans on Fiscal issues but tend to lean right in terms of domestic spending and right on social issues.

And then you generally have variations from there.

So its not surprise that when you have three out of the four major types of conservative ideologies going on in the country leaning right on social issues that a group who is focused on a different facet of conservatism will have a majority of members that lean right socially. However, just because those individuals lean that way doesn't mean that the group's focus goes that way.

The Tea Parties singular piece of information that is the closest to a binding vision amongst the various independent groups is the Contract From America, and it remains the same as it was at its creation. A document focused primarily on Fiscal and Governmental conservativism firstly and very minorly touches on social conservative issues.
 
do you fully support the democrat platform? I disagree and you note they say "majority".... I am in the minority, but I am more than happy to debate my fellow libertarians to death on the issue.

I don't call myself a democrat, and I am not one... I think criminalizing abortion leads to big government. It's one thing to be personally opposed to abortion but allow to be legal, and another to use the government to force medical decisions on free individuals and punish them if they don't...
 
Well, it typically a ****ty way to show "proof" that a group has a racial prejudice, it's inflammatory for nasty reasons.
Doesn't really add to the debate over, what the group represents is good or not.

I'm not trying to show racial prejudice. I'm trying to show indignity. Take a look at Rev's posts and tell me you don't see it.
 
I don't call myself a democrat, and I am not one... I think criminalizing abortion leads to big government. It's one thing to be personally opposed to abortion but allow to be legal, and another to use the government to force medical decisions on free individuals and punish them if they don't...



I don't consider the living human inside the womb the equivelant to a wart. I think we have a long long way to go, and I am all for changing society before government. but I can't in good conscious not take a stand against this holocost of the unborn. :shrug:
 
I don't consider the living human inside the womb the equivelant to a wart. I think we have a long long way to go, and I am all for changing society before government. but I can't in good conscious not take a stand against this holocost of the unborn. :shrug:

I agree with you morally, and am personally pro-life, but with regards to government am pro-choice, I think the rights of the living, take precedence over the rights of the unborn, every time.
 
I don't consider the living human inside the womb the equivelant to a wart. I think we have a long long way to go, and I am all for changing society before government. but I can't in good conscious not take a stand against this holocost of the unborn. :shrug:

More proof you aren't a libertarian. Standard libertarian principle is that you own your body. You have no right to tell another individual what to do with their body because it is their property.
 
But the people the tea party have backed for political office, are social conservatives, and they are going to vote on things of that nature, so it needs to be acknowledged.

So the Anti-War movement is actually the Anti-War, Pro Environmentalism, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Choice movement since some of the candidates it supported in 2006 talked about those things as well?

Wow, I didn't realize when someone yelled "No blood for oil" they were really going "No blood for oil, no assult rifles for citizens, no chopping down a tree, no restricting a womans right to snuff out that mistake she made!"

Phew, who knew they could pack so much into a simple 4 word slogan.
 
I agree with you morally, and am personally pro-life, but with regards to government am pro-choice, I think the rights of the living, take precedence over the rights of the unborn, every time.



the unborn is the living. I dont see which side of the womb as a reason for "you don't count".
 
Dude, 89% of the tea party is white. Less than 5% is black. That means in a crowd of 20 tea partiers, maybe one of them will be black. Furthermore, these videos exist to demonstrate to the world that the tea party is not completely white. This guy wasn't videoed becasue of his opinion, he was videoed becasue of the color of his skin. By definition, when the tea party uses someone in that fashioin they are using them as a token.
And? Around 90% of African Americans vote Democrat. Most of them probably don't have a major problem with how the Democrats are spending and raising the debt. Why would they protest? 6.2% of California's population is black. Does that mean the state of California is racist because they have a low population of African Americans? Having a low percentage of African Americans does not mean that it is due to Tea Party racism. I believe it's largely due to political beliefs and political affiliation. The Tea Party doesn't turn down blacks. Actions are what make a group racist, not demographics.

I believe that the liberal media may use the one guy with a semi-racist sign as a token. They plant racists into the Tea Party and try to use them to enforce their fabricated lie that the Tea Party is racist, those are dishonest tokens. I think it's racist to say that a black member of the Tea Party is just a "token." You de-legitimize their beliefs and individuality based on their race when you do that.
 
Yes, the Tea Party's membership tends to be largely socially conservative as well as fiscally conservative. Ironically enough, the Religious Right is made up of people that by and large likely tend towards fiscal conservatism as well...yet I doubt you'd claim that The Religious Right is a fiscal movement.

I tend to the think that organized religion and their members are Republicans, and they are "the base"...
 
There isn't an option that describes how I feel about them. The Tea party is a hosrt term movement directly resulting from specific circumstances. Once those circumstances are resolved (the economy) they'll go away. In my mind, they are necessary to the times we are in.
 
More proof you aren't a libertarian. Standard libertarian principle is that you own your body. You have no right to tell another individual what to do with their body because it is their property.



Right, and the body inside the woman, is a living human being. Tell me how killing that baby is pro-libertarian?
 
I tend to the think that organized religion and their members are Republicans, and they are "the base"...

Then you don't understand what the Tea party is.
 
So the Anti-War movement is actually the Anti-War, Pro Environmentalism, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Choice movement since some of the candidates it supported in 2006 talked about those things as well?

Wow, I didn't realize when someone yelled "No blood for oil" they were really going "No blood for oil, no assult rifles for citizens, no chopping down a tree, no restricting a womans right to snuff out that mistake she made!"

Phew, who knew they could pack so much into a simple 4 word slogan.

That's not what I was saying, I fully acknowledge that the tea party is mainly an economic movement, but the people the tea party backed, are social conservatives, and that there is a large segment of the tea party that is socially conservative, and that needs to be acknowledged. Especially the candidates, because they are going to be voting on things other than economic issues.
 
And? Around 90% of African Americans vote Democrat. Most of them probably don't have a major problem with how the Democrats are spending and raising the debt. Why would they protest? 6.2% of California's population is black. Does that mean the state of California is racist because they have a low population of African Americans? Having a low percentage of African Americans does not mean that it is due to Tea Party racism. I believe it's largely due to political beliefs and political affiliation. The Tea Party doesn't turn down blacks. Actions are what make a group racist, not demographics.

I believe that the liberal media may use the one guy with a semi-racist sign as a token. They plant racists into the Tea Party and try to use them to enforce their fabricated lie that the Tea Party is racist, those are dishonest tokens. I think it's racist to say that a black member of the Tea Party is just a "token." You de-legitimize their beliefs and individuality based on their race when you do that.

Excellent post and excellent points! Ditto to everything you said.
 
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