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The Tea Party Is.....

What is the Tea Party to America?

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ReverendHellh0und said:
I will grant that the premise of smaller government, lower taxes, and more accountable reps, would appeal to social conservatives, but given its limited platform, I think all these polls are an innacurate portrayal of the tea party. I think the underlying factors I outlined, appeal to more people than "social conservatives". I find it to be a more libertarian movement that not only appeals to the minority libertarians, but also a majority of many folks.
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I think it appeals to social conservatives... It hasn't been attracting many outspoken Libertarians. When I think of the TP voices, I think Bachmann and Palin.

In fact, most Libertarians like Paul say the TP highjacked the original TP and he doesn't even view them favorably.

Ron Paul’s Shocking Message To The Tea Party
Even GOP conservative Ron Paul draws Tea Party opposition | Texas Legislature News - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News
Ron Paul: The Tea Party Is Now Corporately Owned - Digg
 
CriticalThought said:
Just out of curiosity, why are you so hung up on the tea party being a white movement? So what? Why does that automiatically make it racist? Yeah, the Tea Party is mostly dissatisfied white people. Does the fact that a group of predominately white people got together to protest inherently mean that it is a racially motivated movement? Perhaps it says something else. Could you think of what else it could mean?
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I am sure he was calling me racist out of sarcasm because I support the Tea Party. I also believe it may be an attempt to expose the logical fallacies and typical rhetoric used against the Tea Party to try and paint them as ignorant white racist Republicans.
 
haymarket said:
I think the rev is right on the idea that it is a combination of different things including a strain of libertarianism. The seem to combine right wing populism, right wing libertarianism, a hatred of unions, opposition to most progressive reforms and developments over the last fifty years and the Wal Mart brand of republicanism.

All of those things are despicable in and of themselves. When you mix it all together, you have the Long Island Iced tea party of politics. Their totality is much worse than merely the sum of each of its parts. I expect only of of two things will happen with it:
1) they pretty much take over lock, stock and barrel complete control of the Republican party nominating Christine O'Donnell type candidates all across the land including some wingnut for President,
2) being denied that by the Wall Street wing of the GOP, they begin to drift away and eventually form a third party only to see that fall apart in short order due to lack of funding and central leadership.
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This is not what I stated at all. dishonest much?


It's an economic movement that attracts 25% of folks who are clearly indepenbdant and 48% who are right-independent. As you can see by liblady's graphic.
 
SheWolf said:
I think it appeals to social conservatives... It hasn't been attracting many outspoken Libertarians. When I think of the TP voices, I think Bachmann and Palin.

In fact, most Libertarians like Paul say the TP highjacked the original TP and he doesn't even view them favorably.

Ron Paul’s Shocking Message To The Tea Party
Even GOP conservative Ron Paul draws Tea Party opposition | Texas Legislature News - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News
Ron Paul: The Tea Party Is Now Corporately Owned - Digg
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Ron paul is butt hurt he's not at the forfront. though I do agree if the media annointed him instead of palin and co. it would be better off.
 
CriticalThought said:
Just out of curiosity, why are you so hung up on the tea party being a white movement? So what? Why does that automiatically make it racist? Yeah, the Tea Party is mostly dissatisfied white people. Does the fact that a group of predominately white people got together to protest inherently mean that it is a racially motivated movement? Perhaps it says something else. Could you think of what else it could mean?
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Excellent question. I think some of the more politically astute tea partiers know full well the limitation it will place on the movement if they get the common perception that they are racist of just a bunch of angry white folks. So they counter this perception by denial, denial and more denial. Its a smart move and if I were part of an extremist anti-American movement like the tea party i would do much the same thing to hide my true colors under a red, white and blue Halloween costume. I think the Rev has been around a while and he knows this better than most.
 
haymarket said:
Excellent question. I think some of the more politically astute tea partiers know full well the limitation it will place on the movement if they get the common perception that they are racist of just a bunch of angry white folks. So they counter this perception by denial, denial and more denial. Its a smart move and if I were part of an extremist anti-American movement like the tea party i would do much the same thing to hide my true colors under a red, white and blue Halloween costume. I think the Rev has been around a while and he knows this better than most.
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yeah but it's better than dressing up in all red like a unionist clown. :shrug:
 
digsbe said:
I am sure he was calling me racist out of sarcasm because I support the Tea Party. I also believe it may be an attempt to expose the logical fallacies and typical rhetoric used against the Tea Party to try and paint them as ignorant white racist Republicans.
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I know. I'm just enjoying the fact that Rev is so uncomfortable with the reality that the tea party is mostly dissatisfied, white people. Just merely mentioning the fact to him sets him off on a defensive rage because clearly you are insinuating he is a racist for daring to belong to a movement of mostly white people.
 
CriticalThought said:
Just out of curiosity, why are you so hung up on the tea party being a white movement? So what? Why does that automiatically make it racist? Yeah, the Tea Party is mostly dissatisfied white people. Does the fact that a group of predominately white people got together to protest inherently mean that it is a racially motivated movement? Perhaps it says something else. Could you think of what else it could mean?
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I'm not. I just don't like racists trying to tell me how its a white movement full of racists. :shrug:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Well easy, it shows that your point is irrellevant as democrats and tea party detractors voted for a candidate who was against the same things you just mentioned. It shows this is an economic movement and not a racial or social one/.
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I don't think so, while I agree that the tea party is mainly focused on economic issues, the candidates that the tea party backs, are generally social conservative, and the alot of tea party members hold social conservative beliefs, and you can't ignore that when describing the tea party. Like I said it may have started as more of a libertarian movement, but it evolved away from that, and the numbers prove that.

And I fail to see how democrats, and tea party detractors vote change the fact that the tea party has a rather large social conservative segment, and that the tea party backed candidates generally have social conservative views, so your rebuttal doesn't make my point irrelevant, you are just deflecting.
 
haymarket said:
Excellent question. I think some of the more politically astute tea partiers know full well the limitation it will place on the movement if they get the common perception that they are racist of just a bunch of angry white folks. So they counter this perception by denial, denial and more denial. Its a smart move and if I were part of an extremist anti-American movement like the tea party i would do much the same thing to hide my true colors under a red, white and blue Halloween costume. I think the Rev has been around a while and he knows this better than most.
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Completely incorrect. You see, the Tea Party voices a strong message that the government has been spending too much and that they need to cut it back and balance the budget. Their message is valid and true, and that is why hyper-partisans and media outlets try to avoid the issue by trying to damage the credibility of the Tea Party by saying they are all white racists, extremists, hardcore Republicans, and moronic people that are uneducated. The Tea Party is not an anti-American group, we are pro-America and we don't want to see our nation swallowed up by unsustainable spending and debt.


CriticalThought said:
I know. I'm just enjoying the fact that Rev is so uncomfortable with the reality that the tea party is mostly dissatisfied, white people. Just merely mentioning the fact to him sets him off on a defensive rage because clearly you are insinuating he is a racist for daring to belong to a movement of mostly white people.
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In reality though the Tea Party is not racist. Yeah they are dissatisfied, but what is wrong with that? They are dissatisfied for just reasons, the government is spending too much and we have a massive debt. I think it would be truly loony and crazy to be complacent and be satisfied with current spending levels and to see our nation go further and further into debt. Our nation is a nation of mostly white people, does that make America racist? The Tea Party doesn't ban black people nor do they protest against African Americans.
 
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CriticalThought said:
I know. I'm just enjoying the fact that Rev is so uncomfortable with the reality that the tea party is mostly dissatisfied, white people. Just merely mentioning the fact to him sets him off on a defensive rage because clearly you are insinuating he is a racist for daring to belong to a movement of mostly white people.
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And if someone posts somethign you disagree with you cackle off the race card to mask the lack of "critical thought" you display. :shrug:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
This is not what I stated at all. dishonest much?


It's an economic movement that attracts 25% of folks who are clearly indepenbdant and 48% who are right-independent. As you can see by liblady's graphic.
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here is what YOU posted: So you are saying the tea party activley excludes black folk? There are numerous black folks in the tea party,
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
This is not what I stated at all. dishonest much?
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Here is what you said in post #10

I find it to be a more libertarian movement that not only appeals to the minority libertarians, but also a majority of many folks.
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And what was I accused of being dishonest about by you? Here is what I said about the libertarian angle

I think the rev is right on the idea that it is a combination of different things including a strain of libertarianism.
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take note of the period at the end of the sentence to complete the thought.

If I can borrow a page from the Rev's own playbook.....

"I have been libeled. I have been the victim of a LIAR. I demand an apology at once."

How's that?
 
Your Star said:
But the people the tea party have backed for political office, are social conservatives, and they are going to vote on things of that nature, so it needs to be acknowledged.
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This seems to be true...
 
digsbe said:
Completely incorrect. You see, the Tea Party voices a strong message that the government has been spending too much and that they need to cut it back and balance the budget. Their message is valid and true, and that is why hyper-partisans and media outlets try to avoid the issue by trying to damage the credibility of the Tea Party by saying they are all white racists, extremists, hardcore Republicans, and moronic people that are uneducated. The Tea Party is not an anti-American group, we are pro-America and we don't want to see our nation swallowed up by unsustainable spending and debt.
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Obama wants the debt ceiling raised, I thought he promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term... How extremist and racist of me. :roll:
 
haymarket said:
Here is what you said in post #10



And what was I accused of being dishonest about by you? Here is what I said about the libertarian angle



take note of the period at the end of the sentence to complete the thought.

If I can borrow a page from the Rev's own playbook.....

"I have been libeled. I have been the victim of a LIAR. I demand an apology at once."

How's that?
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Why is it you try to pick fights with me all the time? What are you so insecure about?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I'm not. I just don't like racists trying to tell me how its a white movement full of racists. :shrug:
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Yes you are! It's hilarious! I posted random pictures of tea party rallies and got you heated up and yelling about how I was race baiting! You are truly bothered by the fact that you belong to a white movement! You won't even address that fact with any reasoning, you simply stick the lable "economic movement" on it and jump down anyone's throat if they dare to bring up the racial demographics of your group.
 
CriticalThought said:
Yes you are! It's hilarious! I posted random pictures of tea party rallies and got you heated up and yelling about how I was race baiting! You are truly bothered by the fact that you belong to a white movement! You won't even address that fact with any reasoning, you simply stick the lable "economic movement" on it and jump down anyone's throat if they dare to bring up the racial demographics of your group.
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What does it matter if it's mostly white people?
 
CriticalThought said:
Yes you are! It's hilarious! I posted random pictures of tea party rallies and got you heated up and yelling about how I was race baiting! You are truly bothered by the fact that you belong to a white movement! You won't even address that fact with any reasoning, you simply stick the lable "economic movement" on it and jump down anyone's throat if they dare to bring up the racial demographics of your group.
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You post #3

CriticalThought said:
Dissatisfied white people.
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race baiting. not your first time either.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
ha ha from liblady's link


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so only 18% are "always republican"....
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Bachmann used to work on Jimmy Carter's champaign, so she hasn't always voted republican but she is a TP/Republican today...

btw... what do you have against somebody pointing out the lack of minorities in the movement? there are a lack of minorities... I am not accusing you of being racist by pointing that out.
 
digsbe said:
Completely incorrect. You see, the Tea Party voices a strong message that the government has been spending too much and that they need to cut it back and balance the budget.
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That is a slice of the pie. But lets look at some other slices that do not like to display in the deli case.

They also don't like the efforts of government on behalf of minorities over the past several decades. Too much.... what is their euphemism again?.... oh yes.... Big Government. Big Government needs to stay out of peoples lives. Which for some is another convenient euphemism for states rights and all that went with that in the Fifties and Sixties.

Sure digsbe, I give the the concern about economics.... but that is only the part of the meal they are promoting to get the nation to buy the more unattractive dishes on their menu.
 
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