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The Tea Party Is.....

What is the Tea Party to America?


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I think its fair to say in an org where it is grass roots and without an enforced definition or heirarchy to create a definition, that whatever its members are, it is. In your example a person started the football club and is responsible for it and to it. This is not the case with the tea party. At least, this is how I look at it.

Its hard to really nail it down, and I'll give you that. Going back to my "don't give a crap what people want to imply" attitude, I'll make the comparison that I'm sure some of the more hyper partisan liberals will love to grab onto and take far more literally.

Its set up similar to a terrorist network.

In general the large majority of Tea Partiers are built upon the notion of the "Contract From America" and its the closest to a universally held set of beliefs amongst all the various groups from a national to local level. There may be additions or tweaks here or there, but by and large those 10 things are universally held.

From there, you have over arching national groups, though even those aren't necessarily directly connected and consistent. They are less of direct figure heads as they are the strands that help connect the various local organizations. At this level the general core message remains relatively consistent across the board, with little variation and addition between the different groups.

As you move down from there into the smaller and more local tea parties you begin to see slightly more personal flavor on them. Tea Parties in Rhode Island may take a far more Libertarian appearance while ones in Arizona may look much more like a stereotypical Paleoconservative entity. Issues that are a bit more important to those local groups may begin to crop into their views or whats important to them based on the leadership or the membership at that lowest level. However, this individualizing tends to be something that doesn't translate up the chain or between various cells.

So individual localized Tea Parties act relatively independent, almost as unique entities, however are bound together by the commonlaities that they all share, generally through the connection to one or more of the national organizations, which are based off of the ideals of the Contract from America.

So it possible for a variety of localized Tea Parties to have a more social bend to them? Sure. There's also the possiblity for some to have absolutely zero social bend. Or a more miltaristic bend to them. Or hell a liberal social bend. But when talking about the organization as a whole, as the loose but connected entity that exists across the nation, one would need to look at what the binding message, purpose, and principles are and those are firmly and primarily rooted in Fiscal and Governmental conservative principles and issues.

To taking "football club" a step further. I really liked setting it up, and I manage to make it a nation wide thing with clubs springing up all over, mostly in cities with a football team, that is loosely tied together at a national level. At the national level we help facilitate clubs getting together for road teams to watch the game and argue with the home team or a forum where members can interact with each other. And other random national type things.

Now locally, clubs may differ a bit. The Football Club in Detroit may be less enthusiastic and small because, well, the Lions. The Football Club in Washington may have some members interested in checking out other sports but it isn't a big deal in the club because they live, eat, and breath Redskins. Meanwhile the Football Club in Atlanta may find it very important to do events where people can see Braves games as well because Baseball is important to their members even if its not directly important to the club. On the flip side, the Tennesse Football Club may have absolutely no care what so ever about Baseball because they don't have a team so their members are really not that interested in it.

So on the local level, the amount of additional interest or care shown to other sports may vary. But when you look at it as a whole, and from a macro level, the Football Club is still a club about Football, Football Fans, and watching Football. On a national level, it has no care nor thought about Baseball. It has no problems with its members liking baseball, or even some liking baseball just as much as football, but the Clubs focus as a whole is completely removed from any thoughts of Baseball.
 
Sure...that was their motivation...George Bush was proposing bailing out the banks and a group of people banded together and said THIS would be a great time to form a religous anti-government movement... :doh

I don't know what grasp of history you have, but the Tea Party didn't form until after Obama was elected and primarily as a response to his health care reform. I don't know why you guys keep trying to rewrite history and pretend that it began before Obama was elected.
 
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I really believe you believe that is the case, but the reality is that it is a religous movement. That will become more apparant in the years to come.

And I really believe you believe that is the case, but the reality is that its not a religious movement.
 
And I really believe you believe that is the case, but the reality is that its not a religious movement.

Yeah, I saw the candidates they nominated in the last midterm election. I'm pretty sure they are.
 
And BTW...what is this tendency to create so much heat about the 'Tea Party'? Could it be that the 'Tea Party' threatens what many want most...MORE government spending...more free cheese?

Why you could be one of them, or you... or YOU... OR EVEN

YOU!
 
Why are you reproducing my posts with my name and then screaming about marxists?



You insist on lying and incorrectly callin me an extreme right winger. So why the hell not.:shrug:


Btw. Got a brand new contract, worth a hell of a lot of money... Best part I replace 30 union guys with my shop. Great day. :mrgreen:
 
I really don't know why any liberal would agree with the tea party. Blue dog dems, but not liberals or even regular dems.
Government is not the answer, but Liberals think it is.
If liberals start identifying with the TP, either they are changing their views and no longer liberal, or something has seriously gone wrong with the TP.

Cliches are not the answer, but conservative think they are.

By the way Barb, I think, along with many many liberals, that controlling spending is important as is reducing/eliminating the deficit. Are you going to tell me I am no longer a liberal, or that this is not the main issue of the Tea Party?
 
Yeah, I saw the candidates they nominated in the last midterm election. I'm pretty sure they are.

Please indicate which candidates in those elections from a party that was likely to actually have a shot at winning the seat would've been a better choice for them to endorse based on their views?
 
Is explaining why I disagree with Tea Partiers denigrating them? Would that not mean that your explaining why you disagree with liberal positions means you are denigrating them?

i mean the voting, redress.
 
I don't know what grasp of history you have, but the Tea Party didn't form until after Obama was elected and primarily as a response to his health care reform. I don't know why you guys keep trying to rewrite history and pretend that it began before Obama was elected.

So the Tea Party members DIDNT stand opposed to the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008? They werent regularly voicing opposition to GWB and his announced intent to sign the bill? Yeah.....history isnt what you WANT it to be, baby.
 
Its hard to really nail it down, and I'll give you that. Going back to my "don't give a crap what people want to imply" attitude, I'll make the comparison that I'm sure some of the more hyper partisan liberals will love to grab onto and take far more literally.

Its set up similar to a terrorist network.

In general the large majority of Tea Partiers are built upon the notion of the "Contract From America" and its the closest to a universally held set of beliefs amongst all the various groups from a national to local level. There may be additions or tweaks here or there, but by and large those 10 things are universally held.

From there, you have over arching national groups, though even those aren't necessarily directly connected and consistent. They are less of direct figure heads as they are the strands that help connect the various local organizations. At this level the general core message remains relatively consistent across the board, with little variation and addition between the different groups.

As you move down from there into the smaller and more local tea parties you begin to see slightly more personal flavor on them. Tea Parties in Rhode Island may take a far more Libertarian appearance while ones in Arizona may look much more like a stereotypical Paleoconservative entity. Issues that are a bit more important to those local groups may begin to crop into their views or whats important to them based on the leadership or the membership at that lowest level. However, this individualizing tends to be something that doesn't translate up the chain or between various cells.

So individual localized Tea Parties act relatively independent, almost as unique entities, however are bound together by the commonlaities that they all share, generally through the connection to one or more of the national organizations, which are based off of the ideals of the Contract from America.

So it possible for a variety of localized Tea Parties to have a more social bend to them? Sure. There's also the possiblity for some to have absolutely zero social bend. Or a more miltaristic bend to them. Or hell a liberal social bend. But when talking about the organization as a whole, as the loose but connected entity that exists across the nation, one would need to look at what the binding message, purpose, and principles are and those are firmly and primarily rooted in Fiscal and Governmental conservative principles and issues.

To taking "football club" a step further. I really liked setting it up, and I manage to make it a nation wide thing with clubs springing up all over, mostly in cities with a football team, that is loosely tied together at a national level. At the national level we help facilitate clubs getting together for road teams to watch the game and argue with the home team or a forum where members can interact with each other. And other random national type things.

Now locally, clubs may differ a bit. The Football Club in Detroit may be less enthusiastic and small because, well, the Lions. The Football Club in Washington may have some members interested in checking out other sports but it isn't a big deal in the club because they live, eat, and breath Redskins. Meanwhile the Football Club in Atlanta may find it very important to do events where people can see Braves games as well because Baseball is important to their members even if its not directly important to the club. On the flip side, the Tennesse Football Club may have absolutely no care what so ever about Baseball because they don't have a team so their members are really not that interested in it.

So on the local level, the amount of additional interest or care shown to other sports may vary. But when you look at it as a whole, and from a macro level, the Football Club is still a club about Football, Football Fans, and watching Football. On a national level, it has no care nor thought about Baseball. It has no problems with its members liking baseball, or even some liking baseball just as much as football, but the Clubs focus as a whole is completely removed from any thoughts of Baseball.

I think this is a good assessment and accounts for a lot of the differences that many people see in tea parties. Many people here will bring in their individual experiences and hold that as a better information source than the marketing or what others tell them. I know it is certainly true for me. The tea party in my area is basically a southern holiness church revival (with all of the same political talk that goes on in those types of churches) more than anything else, for example. However, that mixed message, is at the same time relevant and irrelevant, depending on what aspect of this movement we focus on in whatever discussion.

For example, I may bring up a point and someone (say Rev) will bring up a counter point, but based on your description, we are both accurate (if factually based), even if our points contradict each other. Because Rev may be talking about the head of the elephant and I am talking about the foot. I think this is largely what goes on (except for the racism charge, I have become convinced that its not a motivating factor at any level)
 
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However, times are a changin'. I believe blacks are finally waking up and more and more will become conservatives. Herman Cain and Alan West are tea party favorites. I don't know how that could happen if the TP is racist.
Republicans and Conservatives (who typically vote Republican) have elected only 5 blacks to Congress since Congress has had 535 members; 2 of whom have served just 3 months. I'm not saying the Tea Party is racist, though I believe some members are just as some members of most groups are racist, but face it -- Blacks, with the exception of 5 out of thousands, don't get elected as Republicans.
 
I really believe you believe that is the case, but the reality is that it is a religous movement. That will become more apparant in the years to come.

What? There are quite a few members of the Tea Party that are religious, but it's not a religious movement. Do you think Tea Partiers are trying to create a theocracy or something?
 
In the 60's the American negro people, led by Elijah Muhammad, wanted three of the southern states for their homeland - independant nation for Negros. Elijah was to be their King and Cassius Clay would be the President. This is factual. The negro people will never be happy until they are given a homeland in the USA. Racism will always play a major role in American society.

There is no more racist country on earth than the United States. Americans are just too blind and ignorant to see it.
 
I don't know what grasp of history you have, but the Tea Party didn't form until after Obama was elected and primarily as a response to his health care reform. I don't know why you guys keep trying to rewrite history and pretend that it began before Obama was elected.

The actual label "the tea party" happened after Obama was elected, but the same people who are angry at Obama were angry at Bush. It escalated after Obama was elected, of course, since he's farther left than Bush.
 
Republicans and Conservatives (who typically vote Republican) have elected only 5 blacks to Congress since Congress has had 535 members; 2 of whom have served just 3 months. I'm not saying the Tea Party is racist, though I believe some members are just as some members of most groups are racist, but face it -- Blacks, with the exception of 5 out of thousands, don't get elected as Republicans.

Is that a problem? Does this make Republicans or Conservatives racist? Can you look past the fact that 90% of African Americans are Democrats and that maybe with the 10% who isn't only very few would run for public office as Republicans?


In the 60's the American negro people, led by Elijah Muhammad, wanted three of the southern states for their homeland - independant nation for Negros. Elijah was to be their King and Cassius Clay would be the President. This is factual. The negro people will never be happy until they are given a homeland in the USA. Racism will always play a major role in American society.

There is no more racist country on earth than the United States. Americans are just too blind and ignorant to see it.

Americans are racist because we don't secede states to become an African nation? What about Liberia? Why can't blacks call USA their homeland along with whites, Asians, Latinos, and any other race group? I think you are too blind to see that America is not the racist country on earth, and that we are a very diverse nation with equality as a central principal that is enshrined in our governing document (the Constitution).
 
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Is that a problem? Does this make Republicans or Conservatives racist? Can you look past the fact that 90% of African Americans are Democrats and that maybe with the 10% who isn't only very few would run for public office as Republicans?

And......why does it matter how many blacks or whites or hispanics are voted into office? What should matter is their character, their policies and their plans for our country. You'd think, anyway. :sigh:
 
And......why does it matter how many blacks or whites or hispanics are voted into office? What should matter is their character, their policies and their plans for our country. You'd think, anyway. :sigh:

I agree, what I think would be truly racist is having someone voted into office because of their race or to have them run with a party label because of race as well.
 
Sure...that was their motivation...George Bush was proposing bailing out the banks and a group of people banded together and said THIS would be a great time to form a religous anti-government movement... :doh
The Tea Party's motivation was to revitalize the Republican party which appeared DOA by 2008. After losing the House and Senate in 2006 and the White House in 2008; receiving the lion's share of the blame for the financial meltdown, and having George Bush as the head of the party for 8 years, it appeared as though Democrats would be in charge for the foreseeable future. Conservatives and Republicans did a masterful job of creating a grass-roots movement to run against Democrats as non-Republican Republicans. Between Republicans reinventing themselves and Democrats failing to manage the economy, Republicans have breathed new life into a flailing party.
 
Republicans and Conservatives (who typically vote Republican) have elected only 5 blacks to Congress since Congress has had 535 members; 2 of whom have served just 3 months. I'm not saying the Tea Party is racist, though I believe some members are just as some members of most groups are racist, but face it -- Blacks, with the exception of 5 out of thousands, don't get elected as Republicans.

There's not a whole heck of a lot of blacks running as republicans perhaps?


Tim-
 
We don't get defensive because we are bothered by the tea party being composed of mostly white people. Hell, the entire country is composed of mostly white people. Are you bothered by living here?

We get defensive and annoyed because it doesn't matter and it's a stupid argument to make. Also, many people call tea partiers racist simply because it's a mostly white group. How moronic can you be to even think that?

Actually, not to jape (as I am prone to do) the fact that the Tea Party has failed to attract many minority members does matter to some extent.

Why does its message fail to resonate with minority citizens?

Is it the result of a failure of conservative messaging or a success of liberal messaging or something else entirely?
 
What? There are quite a few members of the Tea Party that are religious, but it's not a religious movement. Do you think Tea Partiers are trying to create a theocracy or something?

Laughable, I know, but let's be kind to CT, perhaps he's had a hard day? It's like saying that NASCAR is a religious movement.. :)


Tim-
 
I agree, what I think would be truly racist is having someone voted into office because of their race or to have them run with a party label because of race as well.

Can't think of anyone off the top of my mind.. [wink]


Tim-
 
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