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Who won the budget deal?

Who won the budget deal?


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Do you not think it was because people disproved of the Democrats? 2012 wasn't so much an endorsement of the Republican party as much as it was a rejection of the Democrats and how they are running things.

More like rejection of the current economic conditions and the party in power at the time combined with a party falsely claiming that they could do better.
 
More like rejection of the current economic conditions and the party in power at the time combined with a party falsely claiming that they could do better.

So then by the same logic did Republicans lose the White House for the same reason? People disapproved of the Democrats' spending and I believe that's why they lost.
 
It is noted that neither VanceMack or Aunt Spiker have yet to register their opinion in the poll. Perhaps, this whole ‘voting’ thing is beyond them.

Or maybe perhaps it is beyond you to provide the proper options that describe their opinion on the subject.
 
Do you not think it was because people disproved of the Democrats? 2012 wasn't so much an endorsement of the Republican party as much as it was a rejection of the Democrats and how they are running things.

I believe you meant 2010 digs?
 
So then by the same logic did Republicans lose the White House for the same reason? People disapproved of the Democrats' spending and I believe that's why they lost.

Presidential elections are more often than not a reaction to the incumbent, rejection or approval. Obama was not Bush, nothing like him. 2008 was definitely about rejection. 2010 was a rejection of the economic conditions.
 
Presidential elections are more often than not a reaction to the incumbent, rejection or approval. Obama was not Bush, nothing like him. 2008 was definitely about rejection. 2010 was a rejection of the economic conditions.

I believe 2010 was a rejection of the Democrats who failed at handling the economy and spent more money. The budget was a strong issue along with the economy, and I believe Democrats did not deliver to the American people. Many Conservatives were outraged by the healthcare law and that fired up their base. The fact is that the Republicans won with a historic landslide and it was largely due to rejection of the Democrat plan.
 
More like rejection of the current economic conditions and the party in power at the time combined with a party falsely claiming that they could do better.

That seems to be a pretty common spin that was used right after the election by a number of pundits. I think it is dangerous for democrats to fail to understand a real angst in the country. Yes it is partly the economy. But there is a large fear that we are in unchartered ground at this level of debt and deficit. Unless you want to go back to WWII, we have never run a deficit of nearly 10% of GDP. We have now run that level of deficit for the last three years. In addition, the budget presented by the president has been scored as creating additional debt of $13 trillion over the next 10 years. Just not a sustainable path. Worse our leaders have not shown a path toward a rational budget.

The only thing I see as the government doing to minimize our debt problem is through inflation and devaluing the dollar. This policy will impact the poorest of us the most. They cannot deversify their holding into some other asset which will benefit by this policy. Rather they will have less buying power while their wages stagnate. Not exactly a truely liberal agenda.
 
It is noted that neither VanceMack or Aunt Spiker have yet to register their opinion in the poll. Perhaps, this whole ‘voting’ thing is beyond them.

You may note that I have yet to take part in a poll here. I voice my opinion using 'words'.
 
We should provide a weasel choice, eh? I'll consider it for the future: CaptainCourtesy's Don't Care choice.

I think I've explained my position on the budget "win" pretty clearly. No one won. It wouldn't be a "weasel" choice. It would be a non-hyperpartisan choice. I'd imagine you might have a hard time coming up with one of those.
 
You may note that I have yet to take part in a poll here. I voice my opinion using 'words'.

I rarely vote, either. Mostly, I find the choices are not suitable to my position and use my words, also.
 
I don't doubt there is considerable angst among the American people and that there are political opportunists who know just who is to blame and are reaping the rewards.
 
I don't doubt there is considerable angst among the American people and that there are political opportunists who know just who is to blame and are reaping the rewards.

Right...like the weaselly democrats that lined up to the microphones blaming republicans even though it was they that failed to do their job over a year ago...and Im sure Ive missed the posts where you leveled your scorn at the democrats for failing to so much as propose, let alone pass their budget last year. Perhaps you could be a dear and point out your critique of them. Id love to read your non-partisan views.
 
I'm amazed that so many people are so dedicated to Obama that they have to insist he won. The President called for spending increases (remember all those "investments" he wanted to make in pretty trains and windmills?), and instead he was forced to swallow spending cuts, and many times what his party had said at the outset that they were willing to accept.

the spending battle is a win for Obama like Social Security reform was a win for Bush.

CP, his "aloof" presence maintained a sort of paternal appeal. He was able to, at least somewhat, come off as a parent in a sophisticated dispute. Obama may or may not have a one-trick pony in being the aloof person who comes in to "close the deal", but so far it may be working in his favor (even if we incorrectly label it as a neo-Clintonian appeal). Social Security reform is not what I would compare it to, as it was not his party who set off on such a track. With Bush, the problem was his own party on leading on their own conceived legislative mandate. Here it is the President of the United States trying to be a leader in spite of recent developments from the other party gaining immense strength.
 
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CP, his "aloof" presence maintained a sort of paternal appeal. He was able to, at least somewhat, come off as a parent in a sophisticated dispute. Obama may or may not have a one-trick pony in being the aloof person who comes in to "close the deal", but so far it may be working in his favor (even if we incorrectly label it as a neo-Clintonian appeal). Social Security reform is not what I would compare it to, as it was not his party who set off on such a track. With Bush, the problem was his own party on leading on their own conceived legislative mandate. Here it is the President of the United States trying to be a leader in spite of recent developments from the other party gaining immense strength.

Is anuone else here tired of reading/hearing the trite term that hack politicians use. Adult now murphed into parent. What is parentlike about not doing the right thing and leaving it to your children to fix your problems.

We probably should have taken a hint when it was discussed how many times this weak excuse of a leader voted "present" in Ill.
 
Your poll left off the option of BOTH.
 
Presidential elections are more often than not a reaction to the incumbent, rejection or approval. Obama was not Bush, nothing like him.

yeah, because Bush got us in over our heads with deficit spending while Obama.....

oh, well, um, Bush bailed out the car companies and banks while Obama...... err.....

well, Bush launched a campaign that many considered ill-advised against a third-world Arab dictator who was brutal in his treatment of his people whereas Obama..... hmmmm

okay, okay, how about; Bush failed to defend the border, in complete contrast to Obama who has... umm...

OH, i know: Bush tried to revive the economy through keynesian economic stimulus, whereas Obama is way totally smarter than that and he... huh.....

dramatically increased the reach of the federal government....
sought to increase spending on domestic issues such as education.....
kept prisoners in Gitmo....
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how exactly, again, is this guy not just George W Obama?
 
I couldn't vote for any of the choices, because the government won the budget debate. Anytime the government in it's current status wins approriation of any sort it wins and the American people lose. Our governmetn is out of control and has been for generations, and we now find ourselves watching our governmetn argue over how to charge on the credit card. I think the government refuse to read the credit agreement because..well it ain't my money I'm spendin.
 
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Also that of "neither/no one," and "nobody won, the battle's not over yet."

The response that one one won, seems to fly in the face of reality. Unless you are talking about the politics of the matter and not the substance. One side wanted zero cuts, as a matter of fact they wanted increased spending. The other side, first wanted about $33 billion, raised the ante to $61 billion and got a result of $38 billion. If that is a no win, most people would take it every time.

Sometimes people get so rapped up in the sidebars that they miss the fact based result.

Besides all that the entire debate around government spending has been changed for at least the next 18 months. The Obama budget is now a bad joke. He will never talk about it again and now feign he is a budget cutter at heart. The change in the debate is the real win.
 
… Ive missed the posts where you leveled your scorn at the democrats for failing to so much as propose, let alone pass their budget last year. …

I didn't post about your fantasies? You're right, I don't post about fake history.

Excerpted from “Sen. GOP Leader Kills Omnibus Bill” by Trish Turner, Fox News, December 16, 2010
[SIZE="+2"]S[/SIZE]en. GOP Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has long been known as an effective whip, and Thursday night he showed his prowess as he effectively stripped Democrats of the GOP votes needed to pass the $1.2 trillion omnibus spending bill, killing the measure for good. …

A McConnell aide said the leader "worked the phones" for days, pressing his members to quash the bill which contains $8 billion in earmarks (1% of the overall bill), several that belonged to the leader, himself, before he agreed to a pork moratorium.

Tempers flared in the chamber quickly, as Republicans gloated. …

Republicans prevented passage of the 2011 Omnibus Budget Bill in December, 2010.
 
Is anuone else here tired of reading/hearing the trite term that hack politicians use. Adult now murphed into parent. What is parentlike about not doing the right thing and leaving it to your children to fix your problems.

We probably should have taken a hint when it was discussed how many times this weak excuse of a leader voted "present" in Ill.

and has since sought ways to vote "present" in Lybia, "present" in Afghanistan... who farmed out the "Stimulus" and "obamacare" to Congress.....


... but who always has time for a round of golf!


he's just not that into - you know - "governing".
 
an interesting addendum to that point:

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama wants you to know that he is not a golf addict.

He spends so much time unwinding on the links because security restrictions mean he can't go out for long walks or go to the carwash or the grocery store...

The president said he loves his life in the White House but doesn't enjoy some of the ways of Washington, such as the "kabuki dance" among political partisans before serious policy discussions begin. He also regrets his loss of personal privacy.

"I just miss - I miss being anonymous," he said at the meeting in the White House. "I miss Saturday morning, rolling out of bed, not shaving, getting into my car with my girls, driving to the supermarket, squeezing the fruit, getting my car washed, taking walks. I can't take a walk."

He says he enjoys golf but is not the fanatic that some have portrayed.

"It's the only excuse I have to get outside for four hours at a stretch," he said...

aw man... you mean being the president is part of public service?
 
I didn't post about your fantasies? You're right, I don't post about fake history.



Republicans prevented passage of the 2011 Omnibus Budget Bill in December, 2010.

December, 2010 was post elections. Democrats should have passed the 2011 budget before Oct. 1st, 2010 (beginning of new fical year) but they didn't want to have thier votes go on the record before the people voted.

Argument: FAIL
 
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