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Would the world would be better off without religion?

Do you believe the world be better off without religion?

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digsbe said:
Define "religion." I believe my faith is more of a relationship with God and not so much a "religion." What I find ironic is that many militant atheists who want to abolish all religion will complain that religion is oppressive on others yet they want to do away with everyone's freedom of faith and impose their ideology on the world. Hypocrisy is funny.
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I love the South Park episode where Cartman goes to the future, and is in the middle of all the atheists fighting haha.
 
Your Star said:
I love the South Park episode where Cartman goes to the future, and is in the middle of all the atheists fighting haha.
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Me too. I think they were fighting about what to name the new atheist alliance (or something like that). Their point (which I agree with) is that war and conflict will happen regardless of religion or not. I love getting moral insight from South Park :mrgreen:
 
digsbe said:
Me too. I think they were fighting about what to name the new atheist alliance (or something like that). Their point (which I agree with) is that war and conflict will happen regardless of religion or not. I love getting moral insight from South Park :mrgreen:
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Yeah, also I love the otters :lol:

We should start the Church of South Park ;)
 
Your Star said:
Yeah, also I love the otters :lol:

We should start the Church of South Park ;)
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Oh my science! The Allied Atheist Alliance is the best choice!

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NO!!! The United Atheist League is the most logical choice Science Damn it!!!!!

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Death to the table eaters!

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digsbe said:
Me too. I think they were fighting about what to name the new atheist alliance (or something like that). Their point (which I agree with) is that war and conflict will happen regardless of religion or not. I love getting moral insight from South Park :mrgreen:
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I think they were illustrating that religious conflicts do not have to involve a belief in a deity.
 
I'm not sure if the question is even valid, as it is with a lot of "what if" questions. Would it even be possible for religion to have been completely absent from human history? I personally think it's in human nature in general to have some sort of faith, that is not based on logical reasoning, in phenomenon of some sort or another whether that savior be Christ, Buddha, faith in the belief that science can solve all of our problems, etc.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I'm not sure if the question is even valid, as it is with a lot of "what if" questions. Would it even be possible for religion to have been completely absent from human history? I personally think it's in human nature in general to have some sort of faith, that is not based on logical reasoning, in phenomenon of some sort or another whether that savior be Christ, Buddha, faith in the belief that science can solve all of our problems, etc.
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On that point, I'm a bit confused. God came before the next closest thing that provides anything close to the same level of comfort, which I would say is government. People couldn't believe science was going to somehow make their lives fine and dandy. Government can't provide an eternal afterlife, or the dread of Hell for being sinful. In that respect, I do think religion is irreplacable, because it is a very unique idea that comes in many shapes and sizes.

Its like asking whether the world would be different without, say, a specific type of fruit (to keep things simple). Sure, there are other fruit out there to consume, but the fruit you take away cannot be completely and totally replaced. It just wouldn't be the same.

And in that regard, I'd say the world would have started off more violently, and more carelessly. Would people way back when have been kind and thoughtful if not only to avoid an eternity of burning in Hell? I'd argue no. And would they have done that to reserve a spot in eternal bliss? Heck yeah, I would.
 
jamesrage said:
I think they were illustrating that religious conflicts do not have to involve a belief in a deity.
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Then you got the wrong message. It was to demonstraight that religion or not, we would find other things to fight wars over.

Better yet let Matt and Tray tell you....

 
Blackdog said:
Then you got the wrong message. It was to demonstraight that religion or not, we would find other things to fight wars over.

Better yet let Matt and Tray tell you....

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I agree. If religion did not exist, humans would likely find refuge in other dogmatic beliefs to fight over, whether that be political ideology or something else.
 
There is enough religion in this world to make man hate each other but not enough to make them love.
 
Your Star said:
Yeah, also I love the otters :lol:

We should start the Church of South Park ;)
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Yes!!! We could give the most profane yet morally stimulating sermons in all of history.
 
How did we end up with so many religions? If any one of them was correct it would be obvious to all and the problem would be solved. Yup, one correct religion and justice etc. would just be.

Didn’t vote, I don’t know enough. I surprised that some others did and do.
 
Absolutely yes. Many of the wolds problems are au cause of religion.
 
I'm not positive how important religion is but I'd hate to think that anybody would go through life feeling they were inconsequential or unimportant. You are an amazing miracle. If you ever come close to death you will know that you are loved unconditionally by some sort of power. I have come very close and have heard the same report from others, "being hugged by love" is the general feeling.

If you believe in evolution then you have survived hundreds of millions of years of disease, devastation, wars, starvation. That is a miracle. You are a miracle.
 
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This is not a question of religion, but a question of morality. If there is no religion, then there is no "Higher Power", basis of morals, or accountability. If the world was without religion, where would the ethics come from? Humans. And if humans make the rules, then there is corruption, relativism, and Postmodernism. If one person says they want to murder widows and orphans, then there is NO BASIS for another person to say that is wrong, if there is no religion. Religion makes a standard for morality. And generaly, religion makes a person want to do good, in order to accept reward or avoid punishment from a higher being. Without religion, there is chaos.

While horrible things have been done in the name of religion, horrible things have been done in the name of everything, including goodness and righteousness. It really is the lesser of two evils.
 
Forte_Voce said:
This is not a question of religion, but a question of morality. If there is no religion, then there is no "Higher Power", basis of morals, or accountability. If the world was without religion, where would the ethics come from? Humans. And if humans make the rules, then there is corruption, relativism, and Postmodernism. If one person says they want to murder widows and orphans, then there is NO BASIS for another person to say that is wrong, if there is no religion. Religion makes a standard for morality. And generaly, religion makes a person want to do good, in order to accept reward or avoid punishment from a higher being. Without religion, there is chaos.

While horrible things have been done in the name of religion, horrible things have been done in the name of everything, including goodness and righteousness. It really is the lesser of two evils.
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At this point, we've thoroughly regulated ourselves, so there is a reason not to go around and kill people. But nothing can match the concept of an eternal afterlife of heaven or hell.
 
Ah, but have we really regulated ourselves? What about the genocide in Africa? What about the bombings in Libya? What about the gang violence and murders? Yes, we have regulations, but it's only a matter of time before the lack of a moral basis caused by the absense of religion becomes so much more popular.
 
Forte_Voce said:
Ah, but have we really regulated ourselves? What about the genocide in Africa? What about the bombings in Libya? What about the gang violence and murders? Yes, we have regulations, but it's only a matter of time before the lack of a moral basis caused by the absence of religion becomes so much more popular.
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I'd like for you to give a look at my post. I've sorta just come to these conclusions and I guess I want to know what a smarty thinks. It seems to me we've each won the lottery every day for a whole year we're so lucky. Is that just the way it is or is that the miracle of god?

You too repeter.
 
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sazerac said:
I'd like for you to give a look at my post. I've sorta just come to these conclusions and I guess I want to know what a smarty thinks. It seems to me we've each won the lottery every day for a whole year we're so lucky. Is that just the way it is or is that the miracle of god?

You too repeter.
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I think it's a little of both. Its too much stress and tension to think that the world is not being guided towards a certain path by a superior being, so I prefer to believe that God just made things this way for something we don't understand yet. So...God made it so this is just the way it is, IMO.
 
Forte_Voce said:
Ah, but have we really regulated ourselves? What about the genocide in Africa? What about the bombings in Libya? What about the gang violence and murders? Yes, we have regulations, but it's only a matter of time before the lack of a moral basis caused by the absense of religion becomes so much more popular.
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I don't quite agree. Religion has served as a backbone for governing ourselves, but now most of the regulation is without the guiding hand of religion. There is a basic humanity thaat we each serve, and while there are major issues we need to resolve, we don't completely ignore them. The problem is we have our own problems to deal with, and we can't fix someone else's house until ours is in order.

I also disagree with the absence of religion part. People are definitely not becoming areligious. The problems we're facing right now are because certain people are too engrossed with their religion, and its alleged superiority. Furthermore, there have been plenty of instances where religious fervor resulted in atrocities, but people never stopped believing God.

Nature herself has imprinted on the minds of all the idea of God. There really is no getting around that.
 
Yes, it is true that horrible things have been made in the name of religion. But horrible things have also been done in the name of color, race, family, etc. Are we to do away with those things?

Areligion is just a fad. Religion always decreases during a time of economic growth, and we just left one of those times.

Also, we would not have gotten the backbone for our morals without religion.
 
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