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Are you buying Iodine?

Are you buying Iodine to protect yourself if Japan's reactor's meltdown?

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Jerry said:
People who buy iodine also buy survival seed vaults and gold.
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The govt owns all the seeds, so forget it. You are ****ed!
 
Jerry said:
Before lecturing others on properly handling themselves, look in the mirror. You just said a possible outcome was a nuclear explosion. Please, where is your source claiming mushroom clouds are imminent?
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Ya... a POSSIBLE outcome of a plutonium reactor meltdown IS a nuclear explosion (NOT like a nuclear bomb, but more like an explosion of nuclear material)

I DID NOT say that these things are IMMINENT... I said that these things are POSSIBLE.

I am saying that it is prudent to be PREPARED, but it is FOOLISH to panic. We are being told in the media that this all is not a big deal... while, I'm afraid that this is ALREADY a pretty big deal and there's still a chance that these things can go from bad to worse.

cpwill said:
the hydrogen explosions were caused by venting radioactive gas into the space above the reactor, had they knocked the rods out from their blockers (they didn't), they would have been pushed down.

irrespective, the rods are still where they were; it's just that they are now partially melted in at least 3 and possibly 4 of the plants.
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You COULD be right... since I've never been there I gotta go from what's been reported on, also what other experts in the respective fields have to say on the matter. That said... when you look at the explosion on the second facility 6 days ago now, you can SEE the debris coming back down... that containment facility, hell, I don't know of ANYTHING made by man that could withstand the explosion that you saw there.

Others have pointed out that the debris coming back down is very likely to be spent fuel rods... and that's where I got that from, so I do HOPE that I stand corrected. HOWEVER, the media and governments have NOT been very forthcoming...

Untill that japanese diplomat broke down and conceded that the cover-up cannot continue, that radiation levels are exceptionally high and the matter is completely beyond control.

Which, to me at least sounds like fighting a losing battle.

That said, please, people, let's not pretend that ANYTIME there's a nuclear incident that it's 'not a big deal'.... and by that I mean something to be concerned about NOT PANICKING about.
 
BmanMcfly said:
You COULD be right... since I've never been there I gotta go from what's been reported on, also what other experts in the respective fields have to say on the matter.
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i could indeed be right. look man; i'm not bragging here, but right now this is my job, alright? trust me on this one.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Ya... a POSSIBLE outcome of a plutonium reactor meltdown IS a nuclear explosion (NOT like a nuclear bomb, but more like an explosion of nuclear material)

I DID NOT say that these things are IMMINENT... I said that these things are POSSIBLE.

I am saying that it is prudent to be PREPARED, but it is FOOLISH to panic. We are being told in the media that this all is not a big deal... while, I'm afraid that this is ALREADY a pretty big deal and there's still a chance that these things can go from bad to worse.
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Your posts are nothing but panic.

I am far more likely to die of heart disease, a car accident, or a doctor's mistake tomorrow then I am to ever be effected by this incident. It therefore does not require my attention.
 
Jerry said:
Your posts are nothing but panic.

I am far more likely to die of heart disease, a car accident, or a doctor's mistake tomorrow then I am to ever be effected by this incident. It therefore does not require my attention.
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As I said before, 10-20-30 years from now when you or your children develop a cancer because you decided to do nothing, I'm certain that there will be something else to blame it on...

I'm NOT suggesting a panic... I'm suggesting that people PREPARE themselves IN CASE the radiation detectors start going off the charts when the radiation from the BIG explosion on the 14th gets to America through the jet stream...

Ok, look, my position is just too nuanced, you're trying to fit it in a black or white box when the truth is I'm looking at this all in shades of grey.

It'd be like if your house was on fire and I came in to try to get you out of there and you try to tell me 'oh it's just a bit of smoke, it's no big deal'... and I'm like "umm... ya, you should do something, if you just sit here the house will probably collapse before the firefighters put it out..." and you turn and tell me "whatever" and go back to watching tv or whatever.
 
I’m buying 2 32oz bottles of High Life and some Flaming Hot Cheetos Fries! :mrgreen:
 
BmanMcfly said:
As I said before, 10-20-30 years from now when you or your children develop a cancer because you decided to do nothing, I'm certain that there will be something else to blame it on...
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quick question. if i were to ask you to tell me what a sievert is, would you be able to tell me?

It'd be like if your house was on fire and I came in to try to get you out of there and you try to tell me 'oh it's just a bit of smoke, it's no big deal'... and I'm like "umm... ya, you should do something, if you just sit here the house will probably collapse before the firefighters put it out..." and you turn and tell me "whatever" and go back to watching tv or whatever.
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actually it's more like if you saw his cousin eat a donut and instantly assumed that his insurance premiums would climb due to his increased likelihood of death by early heart attack.
 
cpwill said:
quick question. if i were to ask you to tell me what a sievert is, would you be able to tell me?
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Honestly, I went to check out what a sievert is, and this is precisely what I'm talking about...
But look at what's being reported, now, this is in japan, they are saying they are finding contaminated water the equivalent radiation being 1/26th the radiation of an x-ray per litre... BUT, if you drink that water then it is radiating you from the inside UNTIL your body processes it, so, that 1/26th of an x-ray may turn out to be equivalent to MULTIPLE chest x-rays... NEITHER of these will necessarily kill a person BUT especially over time will increase the likelihood of developing cancer.

The further out it spreads the more will fall down to the ground, which in this case will be mostly into the oceans... but this will amount to an increase in radiation exposure that will be lasting for YEARS... and if there is a spike in the radiatioactive iodine that gets detected, well, it would be prudent to protect yourself as best you can.

But taking a thyroid protective dose of iodine is only a limited type of protection... and if it's taken inappropriately can cause other harm... so, ya... again it comes down to, better to be prepared and not need to be, then to not be prepared and hope for the best.

actually it's more like if you saw his cousin eat a donut and instantly assumed that his insurance premiums would climb due to his increased likelihood of death by early heart attack.
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Ya, ok, my analogy is an extreme example... but the point is that this isn't a 'nothing' thing.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Honestly, I went to check out what a sievert is, and this is precisely what I'm talking about...
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it's precisely what i'm talking about. now go look up the highest level of radiation thus far recorded when the rods were fully exposed (successful pumping ops now being underway, though they may have to vent more hydrogen at plant 3; we'll see).

But look at what's being reported, now, this is in japan, they are saying they are finding contaminated water the equivalent radiation being 1/26th the radiation of an x-ray per litre... BUT, if you drink that water then it is radiating you from the inside UNTIL your body processes it,
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yes. I-131 takes on average about 8 hours to break down inside the human body.

so, that 1/26th of an x-ray may turn out to be equivalent to MULTIPLE chest x-rays... NEITHER of these will necessarily kill a person BUT especially over time will increase the likelihood of developing cancer.
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dude. stepping into the sun and standing there for 15 minutes will increase your chances of developing cancer about as much as drinking a glass of that water. and that's ground contamination from the water table. not thousands of miles away after this thing has been dispersed into the entire effing pacific ocean.

The further out it spreads the more will fall down to the ground, which in this case will be mostly into the oceans...
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that depends on the winds.

but this will amount to an increase in radiation exposure that will be lasting for YEARS... and if there is a spike in the radiatioactive iodine that gets detected, well, it would be prudent to protect yourself as best you can.
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well you've probably absorbed more sitting in front of your computer typing this reply than you would in the states from a spike event here.

Ya, ok, my analogy is an extreme example... but the point is that this isn't a 'nothing' thing.
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yes, it is. it's like refusing to go swiming because of potential attack by sharks with laser beams on their heads.
 
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cpwill said:
it's precisely what i'm talking about. now go look up the highest level of radiation thus far recorded when the rods were fully exposed (successful pumping ops now being underway, though they may have to vent more hydrogen at plant 3; we'll see).
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Just note how many of these I agree with here...
First, here, Yes... I agree. The greatest threat is, by a margin the Japanese people closest to the nuke plants.
That said, the governments and media have NOT been very forthcoming.

Second, I've been saying, it's prudent to be prepared for yourself and your children IN CASE that radiation from the big explosion gets recorded as much higher then was reported.. but EVEN IF YOU ARE prepared, it is NOT the time to start taking it. Can cause more problems hitting your thyroid like that then the radiation so far.

yes. I-131 takes on average about 8 hours to break down inside the human body.
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This one I'd agree, but are you talking about if it gets absorbed by the thyroid or bypasses it (assuming one had protected themselves)?

I'll assume you meant no matter what... that's 8 hours that this radiation is affecting you internally... and people typically drink more then a liter of whatever in any given day. Now, Every 2 litres works out to close to a chest x-ray of a radiation dose... how many days can you do that in a row??

How many days does it take for radiation levels to dissipate again?

dude. stepping into the sun and standing there for 15 minutes will increase your chances of developing cancer about as much as drinking a glass of that water. and that's ground contamination from the water table. not thousands of miles away after this thing has been dispersed into the entire effing pacific ocean.
Yes, I agree... mostly... a good exposure to the sun is healthy and necessary, it's the majority of people that are vitamin D deficient...

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Here's a distinction that I'm making that people aren't seeming to realize : Yes, this dose of radiation that will come from this disaster is at it's worst the closer to the plant itself.

What parts of it get caught in the jetstream DO disperse... and there is a low level fallout that will spread the earth for YEARS, like what happened after Chernobyl... and so there is going to be an increase in radiation levels... the worst time is going to be the FIRST revolution around the earth that this radiation goes... and even though I do NOT think that this is anything worth panicking about, the radiation readings are off the scale one prefecture over in Japan, even though they are not releasing the data around fukushima.

I don't believe that's being done because the radiation levels are "safe" as we're being sold.

that depends on the winds.
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Ya, the prevailing winds are easterly... the jetstream as well...

well you've probably absorbed more sitting in front of your computer typing this reply than you would in the states from a spike event here.
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They only reported radiation readings in the US based on what got here from the 'mini' explosion that happened, NOT the number 3 reactor explosion. The one captured by a japanese child or it would have probably been covered up and never discussed.

But, yes, I agree.... for the 37th time, I'm not living in the fear that you seem to think I am.

yes, it is. it's like refusing to go swiming because of potential attack by sharks with laser beams on their heads.
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Meanwhile, by the sounds of things, it'd be the equivalent of you trying to tell me that shark teeth CANNOT hurt you when they got the laser pointers on their heads, and the water is chummed.

If I had to put it on a scale, of 1 - no big deal to 10 - get in your underground bunker and pray... this event is probably a 3-4. It's foolish to call it a 1... it's ALSO foolish to call it a 10... and that's not a variation of what I was saying before... even though you guys make it out like I'm putting this as an 8 or a 9.
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BmanMcfly said:
Just note how many of these I agree with here...
First, here, Yes... I agree. The greatest threat is, by a margin the Japanese people closest to the nuke plants.
That said, the governments and media have NOT been very forthcoming.

Second, I've been saying, it's prudent to be prepared for yourself and your children IN CASE that radiation from the big explosion gets recorded as much higher then was reported.. but EVEN IF YOU ARE prepared, it is NOT the time to start taking it. Can cause more problems hitting your thyroid like that then the radiation so far.


This one I'd agree, but are you talking about if it gets absorbed by the thyroid or bypasses it (assuming one had protected themselves)?

I'll assume you meant no matter what... that's 8 hours that this radiation is affecting you internally... and people typically drink more then a liter of whatever in any given day. Now, Every 2 litres works out to close to a chest x-ray of a radiation dose... how many days can you do that in a row??

How many days does it take for radiation levels to dissipate again?

dude. stepping into the sun and standing there for 15 minutes will increase your chances of developing cancer about as much as drinking a glass of that water. and that's ground contamination from the water table. not thousands of miles away after this thing has been dispersed into the entire effing pacific ocean.
Yes, I agree... mostly... a good exposure to the sun is healthy and necessary, it's the majority of people that are vitamin D deficient...

japan-radiation%5B3%5D.jpg


Here's a distinction that I'm making that people aren't seeming to realize : Yes, this dose of radiation that will come from this disaster is at it's worst the closer to the plant itself.

What parts of it get caught in the jetstream DO disperse... and there is a low level fallout that will spread the earth for YEARS, like what happened after Chernobyl... and so there is going to be an increase in radiation levels... the worst time is going to be the FIRST revolution around the earth that this radiation goes... and even though I do NOT think that this is anything worth panicking about, the radiation readings are off the scale one prefecture over in Japan, even though they are not releasing the data around fukushima.

I don't believe that's being done because the radiation levels are "safe" as we're being sold.



Ya, the prevailing winds are easterly... the jetstream as well...



They only reported radiation readings in the US based on what got here from the 'mini' explosion that happened, NOT the number 3 reactor explosion. The one captured by a japanese child or it would have probably been covered up and never discussed.

But, yes, I agree.... for the 37th time, I'm not living in the fear that you seem to think I am.



Meanwhile, by the sounds of things, it'd be the equivalent of you trying to tell me that shark teeth CANNOT hurt you when they got the laser pointers on their heads, and the water is chummed.

If I had to put it on a scale, of 1 - no big deal to 10 - get in your underground bunker and pray... this event is probably a 3-4. It's foolish to call it a 1... it's ALSO foolish to call it a 10... and that's not a variation of what I was saying before... even though you guys make it out like I'm putting this as an 8 or a 9.
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The radiation scare is just a hoax to get you to buy iodine pills. It's part of a global conspiracy between governments and scientis... no, not scientists, but purveyors of pills.
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Dittohead not! said:
The radiation scare is just a hoax to get you to buy iodine pills. It's part of a global conspiracy between governments and scientis... no, not scientists, but purveyors of pills.
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Serves me right for trying to give a nuanced perspective...
 
BmanMcfly said:
Just note how many of these I agree with here...
First, here, Yes... I agree. The greatest threat is, by a margin the Japanese people closest to the nuke plants.
That said, the governments and media have NOT been very forthcoming.

Second, I've been saying, it's prudent to be prepared for yourself and your children IN CASE that radiation from the big explosion gets recorded as much higher then was reported.. but EVEN IF YOU ARE prepared, it is NOT the time to start taking it. Can cause more problems hitting your thyroid like that then the radiation so far.


This one I'd agree, but are you talking about if it gets absorbed by the thyroid or bypasses it (assuming one had protected themselves)?

I'll assume you meant no matter what... that's 8 hours that this radiation is affecting you internally... and people typically drink more then a liter of whatever in any given day. Now, Every 2 litres works out to close to a chest x-ray of a radiation dose... how many days can you do that in a row??

How many days does it take for radiation levels to dissipate again?

dude. stepping into the sun and standing there for 15 minutes will increase your chances of developing cancer about as much as drinking a glass of that water. and that's ground contamination from the water table. not thousands of miles away after this thing has been dispersed into the entire effing pacific ocean.
Yes, I agree... mostly... a good exposure to the sun is healthy and necessary, it's the majority of people that are vitamin D deficient...

japan-radiation%5B3%5D.jpg


Here's a distinction that I'm making that people aren't seeming to realize : Yes, this dose of radiation that will come from this disaster is at it's worst the closer to the plant itself.

What parts of it get caught in the jetstream DO disperse... and there is a low level fallout that will spread the earth for YEARS, like what happened after Chernobyl... and so there is going to be an increase in radiation levels... the worst time is going to be the FIRST revolution around the earth that this radiation goes... and even though I do NOT think that this is anything worth panicking about, the radiation readings are off the scale one prefecture over in Japan, even though they are not releasing the data around fukushima.

I don't believe that's being done because the radiation levels are "safe" as we're being sold.



Ya, the prevailing winds are easterly... the jetstream as well...



They only reported radiation readings in the US based on what got here from the 'mini' explosion that happened, NOT the number 3 reactor explosion. The one captured by a japanese child or it would have probably been covered up and never discussed.

But, yes, I agree.... for the 37th time, I'm not living in the fear that you seem to think I am.



Meanwhile, by the sounds of things, it'd be the equivalent of you trying to tell me that shark teeth CANNOT hurt you when they got the laser pointers on their heads, and the water is chummed.

If I had to put it on a scale, of 1 - no big deal to 10 - get in your underground bunker and pray... this event is probably a 3-4. It's foolish to call it a 1... it's ALSO foolish to call it a 10... and that's not a variation of what I was saying before... even though you guys make it out like I'm putting this as an 8 or a 9.
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look; they tested the sea water near Daiichi; now that's the single largest thing absorbing radiation. it had about 126 x the 'legal limit' for I-131 in drinking water. it also had 17-36 x the legal limit for Cesium 134 and 139. You would have to drink that water every day for a month in order to get up to your max recomended dosage.

and that's on the shoreline.

next to the plants.

it is physically impossible for the radiation in coming out of the Daiichi reactor buildings to effect the United States. I have about as good a chance as shooting you from here with a rifle.
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Dittohead not! said:
The radiation scare is just a hoax to get you to buy iodine pills. It's part of a global conspiracy between governments and scientis... no, not scientists, but purveyors of pills.
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cpwill's razor: never accuse conspiracy when simple ignorance will suffice.
 
cpwill said:
look; they tested the sea water near Daiichi; now that's the single largest thing absorbing radiation. it had about 126 x the 'legal limit' for I-131 in drinking water. it also had 17-36 x the legal limit for Cesium 134 and 139. You would have to drink that water every day for a month in order to get up to your max recomended dosage.

and that's on the shoreline.

next to the plants.

it is physically impossible for the radiation in coming out of the Daiichi reactor buildings to effect the United States. I have about as good a chance as shooting you from here with a rifle.
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Ok... put it this way, they've ALREADY had radioactive increases in the US.
Japan Nuclear Radiation Hits Chicago

But EVEN FOX ONLY reported on the initial SMALL explosion at reactor 1. The BIG explosion was a few days later and so would be a few days behind, and is never really talked about in the MSM, from what I've seen.

Honestly, it's not just a matter of what's leeched into the ground and water, it's what got shot up into the atmosphere and coming out of those resulting fires...
Also, the fact that when you ingest you're not talking about equivalent to sunshine, because there's a diffference between what you are exposed to and what is ingested.

I also don't think you are accounting for the fact that there are "special interests" which would prefer that the severity of a disaster be downplayed.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Ok... put it this way, they've ALREADY had radioactive increases in the US.
Japan Nuclear Radiation Hits Chicago

But EVEN FOX ONLY reported on the initial SMALL explosion at reactor 1. The BIG explosion was a few days later and so would be a few days behind, and is never really talked about in the MSM, from what I've seen.

Honestly, it's not just a matter of what's leeched into the ground and water, it's what got shot up into the atmosphere and coming out of those resulting fires...
Also, the fact that when you ingest you're not talking about equivalent to sunshine, because there's a diffference between what you are exposed to and what is ingested.

I also don't think you are accounting for the fact that there are "special interests" which would prefer that the severity of a disaster be downplayed.
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From your link:

The good news is that at this time, US Customs have advised that the radiation is at safe levels and was apparently the case throughout the journey. All passengers were scanned with none detained.
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The radiation wasn't a problem even for the passengers on the plane.
 
Dittohead not! said:
From your link:

The radiation wasn't a problem even for the passengers on the plane.
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Ok... whatever, you're completely missing the point I'm trying to make... so **** it.

You win... radioactivity is nutritious and delicious.
 
Dittohead not! said:
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The radiation wasn't a problem even for the passengers on the plane.
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no, it wasn't. in fact, the comm gear on the plane itself gave the passengers roughly 2,000 times as much radiation.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Ok... whatever, you're completely missing the point I'm trying to make... so **** it.

You win... radioactivity is nutritious and delicious.
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actually it is; they've done plenty of studies with animals that demonstrate that your immune system is strengthened if you recieve twice the standard rates of radiation over the course of a year. similar to exercising your muscles.
 
cpwill said:
actually it is; they've done plenty of studies with animals that demonstrate that your immune system is strengthened if you recieve twice the standard rates of radiation over the course of a year. similar to exercising your muscles.
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First source that study.

Second, show that whats coming out of the fukushima reactors is the same type of radiation AND NOTHING ELSE.

THEN you MIGHT have an actual point.

The fact is the only medical use of radiation (that I'm aware of) are x-rays (safe within limits and even the nurse has to leave the room ) and chemo... the radiation with chemo is pretty much to dose the tumor with radiation and powerful drugs in order to kill the cancerous cells before the chemo and radiation kills the host.

The Canadian Press: Tiny traces of radioactive fallout reach Europe from Japan, experts say

It's already spread through to iceland.
 
So nobody in California is going to get some iodine.

They have designer iodine, ya know.
 
sazerac said:
So nobody in California is going to get some iodine.

They have designer iodine, ya know.
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No, of course not... radiation is good for you now. Best thing since breakfast, someone even found a study that exposure to radiation is a good thing. Anne COulter also pointed out how the radiation from the reactor will cure and / or prevent cancers just the other day.

Some have also gone so far as to insinuate that those that might want to prepare for disaster are conspiracy theorists somehow...

So, don't be a conspiracy theory and get iodine just in case... it's cooky to be prepared for emergency situations.
 
LookingGlass said:
NO. Should I?
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Honestly, if you're in Japan, you probably should have already... in the US, you may want to talk about doing so for your children with your doctor, but it SEEMS that radiation in america and beyond is still relatively low... but mind you, they never announce readings ... rather it's announced that the readings are 'low'.
 
From what I gather, most likely not even all of the people in Japan will need any Iodine pills - let alone people here in the US.

Unless all the information sources are lying, I, living in Pennsylvania, am probably getting more radiation here at work sitting in front of an LCD screen with a couple hundred server towers and such across the room, than I would be getting standing on a beach on the west coast of the USA.

However, now that I'm aware iodine can help, I may research it a bit and buy some, since I DO live only 40ish miles from TMI, and I DO work in Harrisburg 5 days a week, so I might as well be ready...but I'll probably just forget I ever typed this inside 30 mins from now.
 
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