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Last ages of a power...

Do you agree the US is nearing it's last days?

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What do you mean by "nearing it's last days"? I think the US will soon lose it's status as a superpower. I do not think we will be conquered and made into a colony of another nation.

"Civilization die from suicide, not by murder."
-Arnold J. Toynbee
 
Last Days? No. Last few decades.... yes. As a superpower I feel in 20 years we are doomed unless we get someone REAL in government.
 
No. I don't. The U.S. always appears to be in the midst of complete social collapse. That's what happens when you keep trying to live up to the principle of 'equality' and when you live in a liberal democracy.

No other country is any position to challenge the United States as superpower for a pretty long time, after all of us are dead. The three main contenders are China, India and Brazil, China being the closest. However, the U.S. dominates land, air and sea military power far ahead of China, our political influence is much greater since most of the great powers in Europe (Britain, Germany, etc.) ally with us in exchange for military support, our economy will recover and we still provide a huge deal of innovation and information to the rest of the world.
 
Hell NO! We are still the best Country EVER and we not gonna fail anytime soon. Dream on Haters:roll:
 
It will decline as a global power, especially economically, but it's not going to disappear as a nation.
 
Wiseone said:
The United States is still the most powerful country in the world, its economy is a world mover, its military spans the globe, no foreign influence will take it out regardless of how they feel about our interventions into other countries, many of them the rest of the world doesn't care about. Do you really think anyone is upset with the US over what it did in Granada, or Panama? No one cares. Also one can look at Great Britain, which during its hay day was in many ways a bigger and badder player than the US is, in comparison to its time period. It declined but its still around and doing quite well.

As for internal politics I really don't think online debates mean anything, lots people come here not so much to convince anybody of anything but to feel smug and superior. Nothing feels better than to be able to tell someone they are wrong and then come up with a witty phrase to drive it home, its ego masturbation.

As for the debt, yes it is a problem and there is potential if we take it further and further to end up in a situation like Greece. However Americans haven't really had a tradition of violent outburst against the government or police, not like what is going on in Greece. Despite what you may hear from other sources the Wisconsin protests have been pretty peacefully, no one has firebombed a police officer like they have in Greece. The last riot on that kind of scale was probably the Rodney King riots in LA.

For the US to truly end there would have to be a revolution along with probably a counter revolution, a civil war in other words, and I just dont see that happening. Especially considering the obesity rate, war fighting isn't a fat man's game haha.
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Do not be so sure about that as fat men can and will fight once they try to invade. Do not underestimate big folks and the pride they have for their country. Plus do not underestimate their gun count. ;)
 
Aunt Spiker said:
We've actually 'collapsed' several times. . .unlike other countries who 'collapse' we ALWAYS rebound - usually learning from the situations that pass and make adjustments as necessary.

Our bottom line has never changed - regardless of how much we might not get along, it all comes back to wanting to uphold the same values. We just disagree on how best to do it.
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What values do you speak of?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
It would seem like you latched onto a word and are ignoring the context. I've said, in essence:
  1. We're not going to just collapse
  2. A long slow decline is possible
  3. What is far more likely is that there will be a change to the world political stage and how we adjust to it will dictate how well we end up doing down the road
In other words, I said that the most likely option is one where we could either decline or thrive.

You, quoting my entire post, say you think it would be a change and not a decline.

Since I said an implosion isn't happening and a decline is possible but that a change is more likely, I think it's safe to say I was focusing on the change possibility and not the decline possibility.

So, yeah, I used the word decline, but the possibility of a decline wasn't the thrust of my point.
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Change is factual = we have changed from values A B and C to values D E and F. It's just blunt and out there - easy to see, measure, grasp.

But 'decline' is subjective. Decline means that A B and C were 'superior' and D E and F are inferior - but that's purely a point of view. Most factually - we have changed since 1950: Some people right now say we've 'declined' - but that's only their opinion. Others say just the opposite.
 
Hold me!!

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I don't think the United States is going anywhere any time soon. I mean despite all the negativity, we are still (if not one of) the strongest countries in the world. Certainly economically strong at that.
 
By reforms do you mean reforms that go with your Communist/Socialist views?
 
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