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Mitt Romney says he is the strongest republican on the economy

Do you agree with Romney?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 33.3%

  • No

    Votes: 5 41.7%

  • Mixed

    Votes: 3 25.0%

  • Other

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Some people in the Tea Party say he is RINO... and they don't like his "RomneyCare."

He also supported the Bail Out... another problem he has with the GOP base.
 
"He created a deeper recession, and delayed the recovery," Romney said Saturday, previewing his campaign message before Republicans in this influential early nominating state.
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Both statements are speculative. Asserting them emphatically is tantamount to lying.

Actually, they're both basically lies, especially in light of the alternatives.

That said, Romney is probably the least annoying Republican candidate -- that's how I select my candidates now, by which of them is least annoying, because practicality is a bust.

Some people in the Tea Party say he is RINO... and they don't like his "RomneyCare."
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State-managed health care is consistent with the traditional maxims of federalism. It's nobody else's business what happens in Massachusetts.
 
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I would say Daniels has better economic credentials than Romney.
 
liblady said:
lol....not in a million years would ron paul get elected.
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It doesn't really matter who gets elected. I would wish it was a Republican, except that probably won't shut the Tea Party up.
 
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Morality Games said:
It doesn't really matter who gets elected. I would wish it was a Republican, except that probably won't shut the Tea Party up.
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I do wonder if and when a Republican is elected, and the debt goes up... if the Tea Party will dissolve or complain about it. Would President Romney have to answer to the Tea Party?
 
SheWolf said:
I do wonder if and when a Republican is elected, and the debt goes up... if the Tea Party will dissolve or complain about it. Would President Romney have to answer to the Tea Party?
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When the right-wing is at a loss, they start imitating liberals. So, they'll probably start arguing that all the causes of debt acceleration originated in the Obama Administration and that any given Republican president is doing everything that can possibly be done to solve the problem.

One of the consequences of hyper-partisanship is that nobody ever learns their lesson.
 
Morality Games said:
When the right-wing is at a loss, they start imitating liberals. So, they'll probably start arguing that all the causes of debt acceleration originated in the Obama Administration and that any given Republican president is doing everything that can possibly be done to solve the problem.

One of the consequences of hyper-partisanship is that nobody ever learns their lesson.
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I don't know about that, I think the Tea Party would start rebelling against a possible President Romney. First, they've shown they are against moderate conservatives since they started, and they've done a lot to get "RINO's" kicked out of office, and have succeeded in several instances. Second, Romney could be considered a RINO by their standards.

I could see Romney getting in by appealing to a broad, moderate base, whereas Obama alienated most of them. And then upon re-election, Romney would lose his own conservative base to a hard-line Tea Partier, or the Tea PArtier would split it enough in the right that a liberal could win.
 
I agree, he is the best they have got. Then again, the Republicans know zero about the economy, so I guess Romney is the ace pitcher of the Bad News Bears.
 

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I don't know about that, I think the Tea Party would start rebelling against a possible President Romney. First, they've shown they are against moderate conservatives since they started, and they've done a lot to get "RINO's" kicked out of office, and have succeeded in several instances. Second, Romney could be considered a RINO by their standards.

I could see Romney getting in by appealing to a broad, moderate base, whereas Obama alienated most of them. And then upon re-election, Romney would lose his own conservative base to a hard-line Tea Partier, or the Tea PArtier would split it enough in the right that a liberal could win.
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The Tea Party might rebel, but then they'll become something like the Libertarian Party. The Tea Party can compel the Republican Party (though not in any socially or economically useful sense), but only so long as it is not in active competition against it. In the end, conservatives hate liberals and Democrats more than they appreciate the Tea Party. If the latter intrudes upon the former's mission against the left by creating too much inner turmoil and losing elections, then the right as a whole the right will snap out of supporting them.

However, I don't think it will come to that.
 
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SheWolf said:
I'm the strongest Republican to challenge President Barack Obama on the country's single biggest issue -- the economy.
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Dear Mitt:

Meet the Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels:

...When Daniels took office, the state had an $800-million deficit. He turned that into a $1.3-billion surplus (although it will be eaten into in the current downturn). Since 2005, he has saved roughly $450 million in the state’s budget and reduced the state’s rate of spending growth from 5.9 percent to 2.8 percent. “I tell you with certainty,” Daniels told his Washington audience, “concern about the debt and deficit has not gone out of style.”..

He leased the state’s faltering toll road to a European operator for nearly $4 billion. He created health savings accounts for Indiana’s poor. He deregulated telecommunications. And he attracted business to the state, with Indiana winning more foreign investment than any other state during the past two years... He won re-election by 18 points last year. He won 20 percent of the black vote, and beat his Democratic opponent among voters under age 30 by 7 points.

...Since 2005, more than $250 million in unnecessary spending has been trimmed from state government, and $190 million was saved by renegotiating 30 state contracts. Daniels has more than halved the state’s rate of spending growth, from 5.9 to 2.8 percent.

Rejecting what he calls financial “gimmickry,” Daniels says that the state has now had three “honestly balanced” budgets in a row. As the governor tells it, Indiana had been “stuffing money in the side drawer — in essence postponing payments into the next fiscal year, so it looked like you were closer to balance — and raiding pension funds and things like that.” In the last three years, the state has repaid $760 million to schools and local governments that had been appropriated to finance the state’s deficit spending. Last year Standard & Poor’s raised Indiana’s credit rating to AAA for the first time...


Mitt, you've been a governor. I would LOVE to see your numbers.

OH, by the way, here's your "health care reform" as a governor:
The Failure of Romneycare
...68% of the newly insured since 2006 receive coverage that is heavily or completely subsidized by taxpayers. While Mr. Romney insisted that everyone should pay something for coverage, that is not the way his plan has turned out. More than half of the 408,000 newly insured residents pay nothing, according to a February 2010 report by the Massachusetts Health Connector, the state's insurance exchange.

Another 140,000 remained uninsured in 2008 and were either assessed a penalty or exempted from the individual mandate because the state deemed they couldn't afford the premiums.

Mr. Romney's promise that getting everyone covered would force costs down also is far from being realized. One third of state residents polled by Harvard researchers in a study published in "Health Affairs" in 2008 said that their health costs had gone up as a result of the 2006 reforms. A typical family of four today faces total annual health costs of nearly $13,788, the highest in the country. Per capita spending is 27% higher than the national average....
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and here's his:
When I was elected governor of Indiana five years ago, I asked that a consumer-directed health insurance option, or Health Savings Account (HSA), be added to the conventional plans then available to state employees. I thought this additional choice might work well for at least a few of my co-workers, and in the first year some 4% of us signed up for it...

Unused funds in the account—to date some $30 million or about $2,000 per employee and growing fast—are the worker's permanent property. For the very small number of employees (about 6% last year) who use their entire account balance, the state shares further health costs up to an out-of-pocket maximum of $8,000, after which the employee is completely protected.

The HSA option has proven highly popular. This year, over 70% of our 30,000 Indiana state workers chose it, by far the highest in public-sector America. Due to the rejection of these plans by government unions, the average use of HSAs in the public sector across the country is just 2%...In the second straight year in which we've been forced to skip salary increases, workers switching to the HSA are adding thousands of dollars to their take-home pay. (Even if an employee had health issues and incurred the maximum out-of-pocket expenses, he would still be hundreds of dollars ahead.) HSA customers seem highly satisfied; only 3% have opted to switch back to the PPO.

The state is saving, too. In a time of severe budgetary stress, Indiana will save at least $20 million in 2010 because of our high HSA enrollment. Mercer calculates the state's total costs are being reduced by 11% solely due to the HSA option...
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Get Bent, Romney. Please, at this point you have to run, and so I will simply ask you, for the good of the country, if you must run, please run poorly. And then bow out gracefully and turn your support to Daniels at the same time that Palin does.
 
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