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If Humans where not the only race, would you be a Human supremacist?

Would you support Human supremacy?


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Weirdest poll i've made on this forum but i can't stop thinking about it. Basically im playing this game set in the future, where human development takes them beyond our solar system, into different nebula's and galaxies. There are many different types of intelligent life forms from different evolutionary backgrounds and planets that humans inevitably cross paths with. They mingle in our cities and we in theirs, imagine; they can talk like you, learn your language, adapt to your culture, share the same interests as you, have a collective sense on what is right or wrong. They have big cultural differences, different ways of doing or understanding things, the way people did before the days of planes, ships and globalization, before the days of integration right here on Earth.

Yet, although all these races live together, prejudices exist, historic hatred and stereotyping still alive, just like in today's society. Naturally, inter-human race supremacy ideals would shift slowly to human race supremacy in such an event. And even though this galactic society has its tensions, they collectively agree racism is wrong, should be combated and equality promoted, again, like today's world.

But in-game exists an organization called Cerberus. It promotes pro-Human agenda's, sometimes even resulting in violence against other races to ensure its dominance and genetic pool is maintained. It emphasizes on inter-human breeding, human only colonies, independent human political system, military intervention to save human lives only and promotes the importance of the human culture, history and identity over others.

In such a hypothetical world, as a citizen of the galaxy in the world 2100, would you be in favor of lifting racial prejudices of human vs alien, or would you support the Cerberus cause?

Every time i think about what my answer would be, i cant help but think "well, would i be a white supremacist against other human races?". But its different....or did people see it in a similar light back then? Me vs this foreigner who looks nothing like me, who has a different background as me? Will that be the next big step towards a discriminant free society in the distant future? All hypothetically speaking, of course.
 
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I would try to respect other species and cultures, if for nothing else than the fact that meeting other intelligent life in the galaxy would be a rare and precious thing, but if it ever came down to a choice between them or us, I'd damn well pick us.
 
I would try to respect other species and cultures, if for nothing else than the fact that meeting other intelligent life in the galaxy would be a rare and precious thing, but if it ever came down to a choice between them or us, I'd damn well pick us.

But think you could you could talk, discuss, debate, befriend them. They could adapt to your culture and you to theres. Would you say that for your race now?
 
But think you could you could talk, discuss, debate, befriend them. They could adapt to your culture and you to theres. Would you say that for your race now?

Yes. And I suspect that if it truly came down to it so would you. We're not biologically wired to give up if the existence of our species is threatened. We wouldn't exist if we were.
 
We're not the only race, even on Earth. Bottlenose dolphins, to cite just one example, are apparently fully sentient and have complex language capabilities - the only reason they lack technology is probably that they have limited anatomical ability to manipulate objects. Apes are also sentient, although their ability to communicate is more limited. There are more abstract arguments that organisms such as bees, ants, and cephalopods are intelligent, although this roams into more obscure domains of thinking that depend heavily on how flexible one's definitions are. I think they all have rights, but our ability to observe those rights is hampered by our own limitations as a species derived from evolutionary pressures. Nevertheless, in practice I tend toward Buddhist philosophy of universal benevolence toward life: I am a vegetarian, and will not kill bugs unless they are dangerous or invade in large numbers that might be a health hazard.

I find it unlikely we will ever run into alien intelligence. Not for lack of existence, mind you - I am virtually positive the universe is teeming with it, just as an extrapolation of the fact that the Earth is already swarming with it and it's only existed here for a few dozen millennia. But the timescales of evolution are so vast that, statistically speaking, species on the same technological level would be too far apart in space to have meaningful contact. If we ever did run into ETs, their civilization would be so old and large in scale that its actions would either look like natural phenomena or occur in regions so dense with activity we couldn't access them or discern what's going on - e.g., the interiors of stars, the plasma rings around black holes, etc. Nor would we run into archaeological relics, because space is simply too large and the timescales of relics that we could recognize would be relatively small.

And this mutual ignorance is probably a good thing: With few exceptions, the likelihood of contact with a civilization that found us comprehensible would be the destruction or subordination of one or the other. Even if both approached the relationship with benevolence, both are products of evolution and subject to behaviors that ultimately serve themselves at the expense of others.
 
I would try to respect other species and cultures, if for nothing else than the fact that meeting other intelligent life in the galaxy would be a rare and precious thing, but if it ever came down to a choice between them or us, I'd damn well pick us.

You know, of course, that's exactly the same attitude down at the Grand Wizard's house.
 
We're not the only race, even on Earth. Bottlenose dolphins, to cite just one example, are apparently fully sentient and have complex language capabilities - the only reason they lack technology is probably that they have limited anatomical ability to manipulate objects. Apes are also sentient, although their ability to communicate is more limited. There are more abstract arguments that organisms such as bees, ants, and cephalopods are intelligent, although this roams into more obscure domains of thinking that depend heavily on how flexible one's definitions are. I think they all have rights, but our ability to observe those rights is hampered by our own limitations as a species derived from evolutionary pressures. Nevertheless, in practice I tend toward Buddhist philosophy of universal benevolence toward life: I am a vegetarian, and will not kill bugs unless they are dangerous or invade in large numbers that might be a health hazard.

I find it unlikely we will ever run into alien intelligence. Not for lack of existence, mind you - I am virtually positive the universe is teeming with it, just as an extrapolation of the fact that the Earth is already swarming with it and it's only existed here for a few dozen millennia. But the timescales of evolution are so vast that, statistically speaking, species on the same technological level would be too far apart in space to have meaningful contact. If we ever did run into ETs, their civilization would be so old and large in scale that its actions would either look like natural phenomena or occur in regions so dense with activity we couldn't access them or discern what's going on - e.g., the interiors of stars, the plasma rings around black holes, etc. Nor would we run into archaeological relics, because space is simply too large and the timescales of relics that we could recognize would be relatively small.

And this mutual ignorance is probably a good thing: With few exceptions, the likelihood of contact with a civilization that found us comprehensible would be the destruction or subordination of one or the other. Even if both approached the relationship with benevolence, both are products of evolution and subject to behaviors that ultimately serve themselves at the expense of others.

Remember that i set the scenario already, regardless of the realities of the status quo! But i get your point and i do agree.
 
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Yes. And I suspect that if it truly came down to it so would you. We're not biologically wired to give up if the existence of our species is threatened. We wouldn't exist if we were.

My nation, yes. I dont care much for race. Maybe i'd feel the same even if Aliens where citizens of my national identity too?
 
My nation, yes. I dont care much for race. Maybe i'd feel the same even if Aliens where citizens of my national identity too?

I doubt Aliens would want anything to do with your nation. If aliens existed then it would be divided into races. Human, idiot, moron, yada yada.....
 
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I'd become an honorary member of another species and never converse with human beings ever again. But I'd probably still advocate what I do for our species now, "stop killing each other". But I would probably harbor the same discontent for my own species, so no, I wouldn't be Human supremacist.
 
I could talk about the politics of Mass Effect all day long :mrgreen:

SPOILER ALERT You've been warned.



















At the end of Mass Effect 2, I told the Illusive Man to screw off, so there's my answer ;)
 
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I'd become an honorary member of another species and never converse with human beings ever again. But I'd probably still advocate what I do for our species now, "stop killing each other". But I would probably harbor the same discontent for my own species, so no, I wouldn't be Human supremacist.
Just FYI. Every life is programmed to survive. If you think another life form like that to the human race would be any different than we are. You are going to be surprised when that raace shows signs of racism, psychopathy, stupidity, etc.

There are even cases here on Earth of killer whales, killing other animals just for fun. And there have been cases of wolves doing the same thing to other animals. And what is more disturbing? There have been cases of Grizzly bears killing other grizzly bears. You know murder. We are not the only life form that is capable of exibiting feelings. Look at most other animals and they do show "primitive" emotions that we exibit.
 
Just FYI. Every life is programmed to survive. If you think another life form like that to the human race would be any different than we are. You are going to be surprised when that raace shows signs of racism, psychopathy, stupidity, etc.

There are even cases here on Earth of killer whales, killing other animals just for fun. And there have been cases of wolves doing the same thing to other animals. And what is more disturbing? There have been cases of Grizzly bears killing other grizzly bears. You know murder. We are not the only life form that is capable of exibiting feelings. Look at most other animals and they do show "primitive" emotions that we exibit.

I could deal with a new spin on old sh*t. But I'd have to say alien life is an entirely different matter, you can't really say what they'd be like, I'm not saying they'd be better, just different. They could have any entirely different form of sentience. Everything you said about animals on Earth I already new. Nature is extremely violent. But I think there's a big difference between human violence, and every other kind of violence under the sun. I think there is a plethora of adequately f*cked up human behavior that you will not find in any other species. There's just this special kind of stupid I can't stand about people. Maybe I just want to think humans are as bad as it gets as far as sapient life goes, probably not, but I'm sure there's better.
 
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I can deal with a new spin on old sh*t. But alien life is an entirely different matter, you can't really say what they'd be like, I'm not saying they'd be better, just different. They could have any entirely different form of sentience. Everything you said about animals on Earth I already new. Nature is extremely violent. But I think there's a big difference between human violence, and every other kind of violence under the sun. I think there is a plethora of adequately f*cked up human behavior that you will not find in any other species. There's just this special kind of stupid I can't stand about people. Maybe I just want to think humans are as bad as it gets as far as sapient life goes, probably not, but I'm sure there's better.

But my point was that it was probably not any better. Primitive emotions are some of the only actual thing hard-wired in all of life. If anything this alien race would just show the same crap that humans exhibit. So why believe that there is anything better?
 
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But my point was that it was probably not any better. If anything just the same crap that humans exhibit this other alien race would exhibit as well. So why?

What grounds do you have to state that alien life would at all think like humans?
 
What grounds do you have to state that alien life would at all think like humans?

If there intelligent beings, wouldnt they have the ability to reason, learn, understand? Just like humans?
 
What grounds do you have to state that alien life would at all think like humans?

Because. Its simple biology. Greed and selfhishness are what best defines us. If you were to ever find an old alien race or that race comes to us. Why would it be any different from us?
 
Human supremacy already exists...we're at the top of this little thing called the food chain...
 
Human supremacy already exists...we're at the top of this little thing called the food chain...

But we are the only sapien species on the planet, that makes it a different dynamic.
 
If there intelligent beings, wouldnt they have the ability to reason, learn, understand? Just like humans?

Perhaps. Perhaps not. That seems like something that would commonly be perceived as integral to intelligence. But, once again there could be forms of thinking completely beyond the perception of the limited human mind.

Because. Its simple biology. Greed and selfhishness are what best defines us. If you were to ever find an old alien race or that race comes to us. Why would it be any different from us?

Because we live on planet Earth. We still have a lot to learn about the rest of the universe. And we know virtually nothing about alien life. There could be creatures who's minds dwarf ours. They could already created complete peace and equality. I think it's pompous to think for a creature to be intelligent it has to think like us. We're just one little blue rock, in an inconceivably massive universe.
 
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My nation, yes. I dont care much for race. Maybe i'd feel the same even if Aliens where citizens of my national identity too?

Don't matter if they're from Mexico or Betelguese. An alien is an alien. We are better than them until my cousin marries one.
 
Don't matter if they're from Mexico or Betelguese. An alien is an alien. We are better than them until my cousin marries one.

Isn't that pretty far-fetched? I thought hicks marry thier cousin.:p
 
well if you want my personal opinion Cerberus can **** off :D It's cool they bring dudes back to life though...

Only to have sex with a asari, and tell them to screw off :mrgreen:
 
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