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Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 40.9%
  • No

    Votes: 38 57.6%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Total voters
    66
No because they can still form a union. I would also like to add a number 5 to that list "Unions votes would be private". Many of these people say they believe it is a right to form a union and that its about freedom. If they really believe that then teachers and other employees should not be obligated to join a union, pay union dues and they should be free to join or form a union of their own choosing. A right implies that its voluntary. Just like we have freedom of religion or the right to keep and bear arms.If we want to go to a church we can if we do not not want to then we do not have to because freedom of religion is a right in this country not mandated. If we want to buy guns and carry them somewhere or on us we can, if we do not want to have a gun then we do not have to have one because its a right not mandated.




They can still go on strike. Its that employers would not be obligated to let them keep their jobs if an employer can and is willing to find replacements.


91 members plus generally do not participate in the same poll and with out being able to see who voted there is no sure way of seeing how many members voted verses how many so called anonymous votes happened.

I agree with you......as I am also a big supporter of powerless unions.

The only bite in the union bark is their ability to strike/whine like 5 yr olds.......

.....without it.....their never ending demands can be laughed off.....as they should.
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No! I do not support ending all public sector or private unions. While I was growing up I was always told to get an education and you would have a better shot at having a good life. My parents, my teachers, and older friends of the family any and everyone that I can remember told me that. Now we a have a group of Americans who have done just that and people are blaming them for a bad economy. We are telling them you don’t deserve the money you’ve worked for. All of your work means nothing now. Just because you became a teacher to help educate the youth in this country means you’re now responsible for the situation in which we now find ourselves. It’s your entire fault that the economy took a dive. So we are going to take away your bargaining rights. Should the teachers take cuts in pay? That would depend on each situation. Never mind the fact we got into 2 wars that were not paid for. Let’s not forget the prescription drug plan that Bush 43 kicked in to get the seniors vote. Let’s include dome trade agreements in the mix too. Oh yeah deregulation of the banking industry, Gramm–Leach–Baliley Act, that led to the almost collapse of Wall Street and the banking industry.I remember not too long ago Republican candidates were saying the children were our future. What kind of message does this send to students who want to educate our children? Let’s not forget the Bush 43 tax cuts. What did they produce? But that’s another argument. How would you like it if someone blamed the bad economy on you because you belonged to a union? Heck how would you feel if they blamed it on you period? Should there be changes ? Yes. Bad teachers must go. That's the way it is in the private sector. I have always thought that it was a conservative principal for someone to work hard so that they could get a leg up? You know pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of thing. You know be all you can be kind of thing. Don’t fault these people for doing just that. Without unions this country would be a very crappy place to work. We owe a lot to unions whether you like them or not because it caused most employers to treat the workers with a little respect. If unions fall your employer will be able to make you do almost anything. The 40 hour work week could become 50,60 or more depending on what they want. Overtime pay would cease. All in the name of the company bottom line. Vacations could become a thing of the past. You will have to work in unsafe conditions just because they say so. What is to prevent an employer from coming to you and saying ,we pay you too much, you must take a pay cut? All because he wants to buy a new car or house or anything else he may want. For those of you interested look at what kids had to go through in the early 1900's, as many hours as the boss wanted the kid to work he had to. It was legal! If they did that to kids I know they won't care about you.
 
No! I do not support ending all public sector or private unions.

Strictly talking about Public Sector Unions here....

While I was growing up I was always told to get an education and you would have a better shot at having a good life. My parents, my teachers, and older friends of the family any and everyone that I can remember told me that. Now we a have a group of Americans who have done just that and people are blaming them for a bad economy. We are telling them you don’t deserve the money you’ve worked for. All of your work means nothing now. Just because you became a teacher to help educate the youth in this country means you’re now responsible for the situation in which we now find ourselves. It’s your entire fault that the economy took a dive.

Nobody blamed the Unions for the collapse of the economy......everyone knows that was the fruition of Democrat policies, Chris Countrywide Dodd, Barney Frank, and his butt buddies at F&F.

Were blaming the Unions for the massive Debts and Deficits that they produce in every city and state that they infect.

So we are going to take away your bargaining rights. Should the teachers take cuts in pay? That would depend on each situation.

The Teachers Union just called.....they said no to the pay cut and are demanding a pay raise......because its all about the children.....but only after its about the money

Never mind the fact we got into 2 wars that were not paid for. Let’s not forget the prescription drug plan that Bush 43 kicked in to get the seniors vote. Let’s include dome trade agreements in the mix too. Oh yeah deregulation of the banking industry, Gramm–Leach–Baliley Act, that led to the almost collapse of Wall Street and the banking industry.I remember not too long ago Republican candidates were saying the children were our future. What kind of message does this send to students who want to educate our children? Let’s not forget the Bush 43 tax cuts. What did they produce?

--Record Low Unemployemnt
--Record High Tax Revenue
--Record High Stock Market
--A Record 52 months continual job growth

But that’s another argument. How would you like it if someone blamed the bad economy on you because you belonged to a union? Heck how would you feel if they blamed it on you period? Should there be changes ? Yes. Bad teachers must go. That's the way it is in the private sector. I have always thought that it was a conservative principal for someone to work hard so that they could get a leg up? You know pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of thing. You know be all you can be kind of thing. Don’t fault these people for doing just that.

And clearly thats no the way in the Public Sector....

Without unions this country would be a very crappy place to work. We owe a lot to unions whether you like them or not because it caused most employers to treat the workers with a little respect. If unions fall your employer will be able to make you do almost anything. The 40 hour work week could become 50,60 or more depending on what they want. Overtime pay would cease. All in the name of the company bottom line. Vacations could become a thing of the past. You will have to work in unsafe conditions just because they say so. What is to prevent an employer from coming to you and saying ,we pay you too much, you must take a pay cut? All because he wants to buy a new car or house or anything else he may want. For those of you interested look at what kids had to go through in the early 1900's, as many hours as the boss wanted the kid to work he had to. It was legal! If they did that to kids I know they won't care about you.

Without Unions......we could all enjoy a Property Tax Cut, a State Income Tax Cut, A City Income Tax Cut, a Sales Tax Cut, and a Federal Income Tax cut.

Then perhaps all the hard working Americans that cant afford their own Health Care and Retirement.....could......

..........because they wouldnt be so busy paying for yours.
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I agree with you......as I am also a big supporter of powerless unions.

The only bite in the union bark is their ability to strike/whine like 5 yr olds.......

.....without it.....their never ending demands can be laughed off.....as they should.
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They would still be able to strike.
 
No! I do not support ending all public sector or private unions. While I was growing up I was always told to get an education and you would have a better shot at having a good life. My parents, my teachers, and older friends of the family any and everyone that I can remember told me that. Now we a have a group of Americans who have done just that and people are blaming them for a bad economy. We are telling them you don’t deserve the money you’ve worked for. All of your work means nothing now. Just because you became a teacher to help educate the youth in this country means you’re now responsible for the situation in which we now find ourselves. It’s your entire fault that the economy took a dive. So we are going to take away your bargaining rights. Should the teachers take cuts in pay? That would depend on each situation. Never mind the fact we got into 2 wars that were not paid for. Let’s not forget the prescription drug plan that Bush 43 kicked in to get the seniors vote. Let’s include dome trade agreements in the mix too. Oh yeah deregulation of the banking industry, Gramm–Leach–Baliley Act, that led to the almost collapse of Wall Street and the banking industry.I remember not too long ago Republican candidates were saying the children were our future. What kind of message does this send to students who want to educate our children? Let’s not forget the Bush 43 tax cuts. What did they produce? But that’s another argument. How would you like it if someone blamed the bad economy on you because you belonged to a union? Heck how would you feel if they blamed it on you period? Should there be changes ? Yes. Bad teachers must go. That's the way it is in the private sector. I have always thought that it was a conservative principal for someone to work hard so that they could get a leg up? You know pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of thing. You know be all you can be kind of thing. Don’t fault these people for doing just that. Without unions this country would be a very crappy place to work. We owe a lot to unions whether you like them or not because it caused most employers to treat the workers with a little respect. If unions fall your employer will be able to make you do almost anything. The 40 hour work week could become 50,60 or more depending on what they want. Overtime pay would cease. All in the name of the company bottom line. Vacations could become a thing of the past. You will have to work in unsafe conditions just because they say so. What is to prevent an employer from coming to you and saying ,we pay you too much, you must take a pay cut? All because he wants to buy a new car or house or anything else he may want. For those of you interested look at what kids had to go through in the early 1900's, as many hours as the boss wanted the kid to work he had to. It was legal! If they did that to kids I know they won't care about you.

Paragraphs are your friend.
 
yeah. breathe dude.... :)
 
There should be NO state unions. Period. BUT.... if there is then the tax payers should vote on whether to provide raises.
 
Some users say that it's unconservative to ban public sector unions, but in a private market without regulations then there wouldn't be any public sector. If we are going to have a public sector, then there will be regulations.

I say we ban public sector unions. It's not fair that poor people pay for health care and pension for rich public sector workers. How are we going to solve the budget crisis, if federal workers get compensated 124K per year. And how are we going to reduce their wage without tackling the unions.
 
Seriously, the biggest things the US handled in the 19th century was the post office and the military.

More importantly, people still wanted the Constitution obeyed in the 19th Century.

Wilson and the other Shredders changed that.
 
There is one fundamental difference between the private sector and the public. The public sector does not have the same check and balance that the private sector has, meaning the private sector cannot continue to pay inflated wages while continuing to increase debt year after year. No business can remain in the red decade after decade and stay afloat. They either make adjustments or go under. The public sector on the other hand can continue to borrow money to cover expenditures. This allows Unions to continuously raise demands beyond a reasonable level. Consider what we are seeing right now. I believe the only reason we are finally seeing some sort of resistance to the unions is because of political opposition. If Dems had remained in power in those particular states things would have continues down the same old destructive path.


The unions called it a "victory" when they ran Eastern Airlines into the ground.

Until the next day, when the union workers tried to go back to their old jobs at Eastern...
 
The time is long past due to remove the Public Masters and reinstate the Public Servants......to put Taxpayer Rights, Property Rights, Employer Rights, and Voter Rights back on an equal playing field with the almighty "Worker's rights"......and to throw our Bankrupt cities, states, and country a lifeline to solvency rather than the wellstone of Union debt. The time has come to put Public Sector Unions on the endangered species list.

Im not saying all Public Sector Unions are a detriment.......its just how collective bargaining ultimately ends. Im not saying there havent been instances when Unions have helped our society and economy........just not in the last 3 or 4 decades. Im not saying Union slobs are all to blame.....who wouldnt vote themselves a bloated salary, gold plated health care, diamond inlayed pension, a pay raise every two years, a lifetime exemption for accountability and responsibility, and have someone else pay for it all.......if you could.

What I am saying.....is Im a realist. And in reality, rather than Union Imaginationland, the majority of people who pay for the bloated salaries, gold plated health care, and diamond inlayed pensions of these public sector union slobs, have a smaller salary and fewer benefits, if any benefits at all. Removing Public Sector Unions entirely from The Divided Socialist States of ObamAmerica isnt an attack on the poor or middle class, its a ****ing tax break for the poor and middle class......its the weight of millions of parasites lifted from the backs of the poor and middle class. For every poor and middle class private sector worker......its a federal tax cut, a property tax cut, a state income tax cut, a city income tax cut, a sales tax cut. Its a pay raise for for 4 out of every 5 American workers.....God Bless America.

Regardless of how noble or heroic a role......Public Sector Unions and their members produce NOTHING....but bureaucracy and debt. The majority of Public Sector Union Jobs could be handled by the Private market for lower costs with better results. And while American Workers should have the right to Organize.....it shouldnt be on the back of the American Taxpayer. A long overdue welcome to all Public Sector Unions......back to Freedom, the Free Market, and Reality. By bill or by bankruptcy.......the days of Public Sector Unions are numbered.........and the end cant come soon enough.
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This is total rhetorical nonsense. You may want to rethink the logic behind your reasoning. No, public unions should not be eliminated because it is the full right of citizens to peaceably assemble according to the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. What you should be arguing against is the privilege of collective bargaining, not the right to form associations.
 
I don't really have a strong opinion either way... but I don't like seeing the government stepping in and trying to do anything here... Ideally, if there were very little government I think unions would be necessary though. It's only natural for individuals, including workers to fight for their own best interests. If there are little regulations, there should be, at least unions. Some people think that unions hurt a company, but it's also true the management hurts their own companies where there is financial gain (Enron for example). Now we have Sarbanes Oxley, so if there are no regulations I think unions should be permitted to balance the power out...

I believe that in the free market, at least one agent would want to secure the longevity of the company over short term profit... sometimes it's the worker, sometimes it's mgt. Seeing a company prosper and have long life, is economically rational and ideal for the workers..
 
This is total rhetorical nonsense. You may want to rethink the logic behind your reasoning. No, public unions should not be eliminated because it is the full right of citizens to peaceably assemble according to the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

They have every right to assemble.....in the private market. When Public Unions assemble.......its the government assembling against THE PEOPLE.......in industries that were never to be placed under the control of the government.....according to the U.S. Constitution/DNC toilet paper.

What you should be arguing against is the privilege of collective bargaining, not the right to form associations.

As Public Sector Unions in Wisconsin and various other states have shown......it seems you cant have one without the other......
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I think I'll form my reply in the words of FDR,

FDR said:
All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

Franklin D. Roosevelt: Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service


Now that doesn't mean he did not favor government employee unions at all, but that they must be restricted.

I'd go a step further and say I'd want a complete ban on unionization in government employment.
 
Holy ****, look who it is! Welcome back!
 
I think I'll form my reply in the words of FDR,



Franklin D. Roosevelt: Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service


Now that doesn't mean he did not favor government employee unions at all, but that they must be restricted.

I'd go a step further and say I'd want a complete ban on unionization in government employment.

Hey, bud. Where'd you run off to? DP missed your ass, so stick around for a while this time. Welcome back.:)
 
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