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Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

Should Wiscnson Democrats be paid while they hide in Illinois?

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MaggieD

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Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois and subvert the democratic process?
 
Why is it that there is no category as follows

They should be paid, get a bonus and a medal for Heroism
 
If a person is not at their job, and is basically a "no show" in public or private employment, they should be fired. That said, these are elected officials so they cannot just be fired, therefore they should be docked pay as they are not reporting for work. Either way, these people will not get re-elected for running away.

This scene could be renamed, "Brave Wisconsin Democrats"

 
Ockham said:
If a person is not at their job, and is basically a "no show" in public or private employment, they should be fired. That said, these are elected officials so they cannot just be fired, therefore they should be docked pay as they are not reporting for work. Either way, these people will not get re-elected for running away.

This scene could be renamed, "Brave Wisconsin Democrats"

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There is more than one way to skin a cat.

I would be willing to wager that the majority of these people who are now in Illinois will indeed be elected. Any takers?
 
haymarket said:
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
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Being cowards isn't a good way, no matter the outcome.

haymarket said:
I would be willing to wager that the majority of these people who are now in Illinois will indeed be elected. Any takers?
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What's a majority - 51% of the 16? If it is, then I'll take that bet, no problem.
 
I say yes. They are doing what their voters elected them to do which is oppose and prevent legislation that their constituents oppose and support and enact legislation that their voters support.
 
Ockham said:
Being cowards isn't a good way, no matter the outcome.

What's a majority - 51% of the 16? If it is, then I'll take that bet, no problem.
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Excellent. Here is what you stated

Either way, these people will not get re-elected for running away
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So we will take all those running for re-election in the next cycle and I wager that a majority of them will win - you wager that a majority will lose.

And the stakes my friend?
 
I just read a couple of news reports, but they seem to be acting admirably in doing whatever's necessary to protect the interests of their constituents. Wholesale anti-union legislation would be damaging to a large proportion of working-class people in the State and appears to be wholly ideologically motivated. The Democrats are simply using State Congressional procedures to oppose it. Has a Republican never attempted to fillibuster a bill out of existence?

Pay them or don't pay them. I'm sure that would be the least of their concerns.
 
Andalublue said:
I just read a couple of news reports, but they seem to be acting admirably in doing whatever's necessary to protect the interests of their constituents. Wholesale anti-union legislation would be damaging to a large proportion of working-class people in the State and appears to be wholly ideologically motivated. The Democrats are simply using State Congressional procedures to oppose it. Has a Republican never attempted to fillibuster a bill out of existence?

Pay them or don't pay them. I'm sure that would be the least of their concerns.
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This is what cracks me up about politics. Its okay if our side does but we'll scream bloody murder if your side does the same thing we did. Sure there might be a few people out there would be still be outraged regardless of what side did it, but I still think its the fact an issue that they oppose has not come up yet while their side is in the minority. I know that if there was a liberal governor and he wanted impose legislation that allow tax payer dollars to be used for abortion, free college for illegals or a whole bunch of issues I do not support and the politicians who shared my views were in the minority I would support them doing what it takes prevent that legislation from being enacted, including skipping town so that a vote couldn't happen.
 
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haymarket said:
Excellent. Here is what you stated



So we will take all those running for re-election in the next cycle and I wager that a majority of them will win - you wager that a majority will lose.

And the stakes my friend?
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Just to be clear - you are betting a minimum 9 of the 16 will get re-elected. (10 or 12 or > will fulfill the requirement) I am bettering a minimum 9 of the 16 will not get re-elected, more will also fulfill the requirement.. The stakes are: The loser must use the avatar of the winners choice, for 30 days, starting at the begininng of the next month. The avatar of course, must meet the acceptability of DP and cannot be offensive or violate the DP rules. Otherwise... it's open. The disclaimer is, if any of those 16 retires, dies, get's incapacitated, or otherwise cannot run - they are excluded and the numbers will change, but you will still be required to have a majority. Appointments due to early retirements will not count as being "elected" in any case.

If you say YES to the terms, I will then be required to say YES to those terms, and the bet is on. It requires us both to agree, even though I'm suggesting those terms and the wager. If you agree - say YES.
 
I can't decide whether people are reacting out of principle or partisanship.

Whether this is 'heroism' or 'subversion' only counts in the eyes of the people of Wisconsin. Non-compliance and disruption seem to be what "the people" want these days, so it could be received either way.

As a law book thumper, I'd say they should be subject to the laws applicable to errant lawmakers.
 
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They are paid to represent the people of Wisconsin, and they're doing just the opposite of that. Do your damn job.
 
DontDoIt said:
They are paid to represent the people of Wisconsin, and they're doing just the opposite of that. Do your damn job.
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Nope. It appears that they are doing exactly that, protecting the people of Wisconsin from an elective dictatorship. There are more ways to represent your constituents than merely making yourself into compliant lobby fodder. They are opposing the Governor using congessional procedure, just like raising points of order, filibustering, obstructive amendments etc. As I applaud their aim, I applaud their tactics. As you deplore their aim, you deplore their tactics. That's politics for you.
 
Where'd haymarket go? :lamo
 
Ockham said:
Just to be clear - you are betting a minimum 9 of the 16 will get re-elected. (10 or 12 or > will fulfill the requirement) I am bettering a minimum 9 of the 16 will not get re-elected, more will also fulfill the requirement.. The stakes are: The loser must use the avatar of the winners choice, for 30 days, starting at the begininng of the next month. The avatar of course, must meet the acceptability of DP and cannot be offensive or violate the DP rules. Otherwise... it's open. The disclaimer is, if any of those 16 retires, dies, get's incapacitated, or otherwise cannot run - they are excluded and the numbers will change, but you will still be required to have a majority. Appointments due to early retirements will not count as being "elected" in any case.

If you say YES to the terms, I will then be required to say YES to those terms, and the bet is on. It requires us both to agree, even though I'm suggesting those terms and the wager. If you agree - say YES.
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I ma betting that when we take the Dems who left the state, a majority of them who run in the next election cycle will be re-elected. I certainly am NOT going to take somebody who dies or does not run. I am NOT going to be put in the position of having to argue WHY somebody did not run... that is a ridiculous proposition. Nor would I expect you to do the same in the same situation. We bet on those before the electorate. I say that a majority of those who Dems who left will be re-elected when they stand before the public for re-election.

Your terms regarding the avatar are fine and acceptable.
 
DontDoIt said:
They are paid to represent the people of Wisconsin, and they're doing just the opposite of that. Do your damn job.
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They most certainly are representing the people of Wisconsin. And doing a damn good job of it as well. They are true heroes.
 
haymarket said:
I ma betting that when we take the Dems who left the state, a majority of them who run in the next election cycle will be re-elected. I certainly am NOT going to take somebody who dies or does not run. I am NOT going to be put in the position of having to argue WHY somebody did not run... that is a ridiculous proposition. Nor would I expect you to do the same in the same situation. We bet on those before the electorate. I say that a majority of those who Dems who left will be re-elected when they stand before the public for re-election.

Your terms regarding the avatar are fine and acceptable.
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We bet as soon as the 16 Democratic Wisconsim members are identified. The 16 do no actually need to be by name, as long as we know who they are, if one dies, then it's 15, and you'll need to get 8 to be re-elected.

Do you say YES then? I've already got the avatar made and ready.
 
haymarket said:
They most certainly are representing the people of Wisconsin. And doing a damn good job of it as well. They are true heroes.
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Damn good job subverting the system. Buncha' crybabies. They should be brought up on ethics violations, have their pay docked, and have to stand in a corner wearing dunce hats.
 
haymarket said:
They most certainly are representing the people of Wisconsin. And doing a damn good job of it as well. They are true heroes.
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Hahahahaha, such a Koolaider. :lamo
 
haymarket said:
They most certainly are representing the people of Wisconsin. And doing a damn good job of it as well. They are true heroes.
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If what has been said about the fake sick notes is true, they're not heroes - they're dishonest and unreliable. How are they doing their job if they don't show up to work?! Protest on the weekends. If I pulled this stunt, my contract would be gone-zo quicker than I can say that pensions are a ponzi scheme.
 
dadrone said:
If what has been said about the fake sick notes is true, they're not heroes - they're dishonest and unreliable. How are they doing their job if they don't show up to work?! Protest on the weekends. If I pulled this stunt, my contract would be gone-zo quicker than I can say that pensions are a ponzi scheme.
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I suspect those 'doctors' were the real fakes.

And what do the notes in Wisconsin have to do with the Senators going to Illinois anyway?
 
So is that YES then haymarket?
 
MaggieD said:
Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois and subvert the democratic process?
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Well, that was a nice, objective intro! :mrgreen:

Hell no, they should not be paid. They should, however, be impeached in absentia.
 
A very rigged and biased poll.
We need a better more honest people.
No vote, instead the usual rant.
I'd like to hear from two civil, intelligent honest Wisconsinites, one in the union , the other, a competitor.
I trust neither the conservatives nor the liberals.
Those who lie and spin the truth should have their moths washed out in a public square.
It seems as if the cons are the political party for the wealthy and the libs for the minorities.
No-one represents the huge middle class.
I do NOT favor granting so much power to the people - this scares me, a mob cannot be trusted.
The correct course of action is for ALL to sacrifice, if this is necessary.
It is WRONG for this governor of Wisconsin to expect one group to sacrifice and for his group to do nothing.
As I say, we need a better people.
 
Ockham said:
If a person is not at their job, and is basically a "no show" in public or private employment, they should be fired. That said, these are elected officials so they cannot just be fired, therefore they should be docked pay as they are not reporting for work. Either way, these people will not get re-elected for running away.

This scene could be renamed, "Brave Wisconsin Democrats"

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A hard line approach/philosophy.
From Mubarack's playbook ?
But I'd love to read the absolute truth on this matter ...
 
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