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Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

Should Wiscnson Democrats be paid while they hide in Illinois?


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Well, that was a nice, objective intro! :mrgreen:

Hell no, they should not be paid. They should, however, be impeached in absentia.

And I tried so harrrrd to hide my bias....:rofl
 
A hard line approach/philosophy.
From Mubarack's playbook ?
But I'd love to read the absolute truth on this matter ...

What's so hardline about calling the 16 Democrats who are hiding in Illinois cowards?

Mubarak playbook? Link please.... and there's no such thing as absolute truth. Is that out of the Mein Kampf playbook --- see how stupid that sounds? You comment sounded more stupid.


Edit: I didn't know Mubarak was a Monty Python fan either. What's his favorite skit - can you ask him next time you talk to him?

:roll:
 
I say yes. They are doing what their voters elected them to do which is oppose and prevent legislation that their constituents oppose and support and enact legislation that their voters support.
Unbelievable, two "liberals" agreeing with a "hard line" conservative.
But, at this point in time, could we agree that the Democrats are in the minority and the GOP should be ruling the day - is this not democracy ?....majority rules ?
Has the time and need for unions passed ?
Should the unions modernize their role ??
I was a United Steelworker during the 70s, to the 90s. Even as the union did help me, I am neither pro nor anti-union, but conditions today may be different, we do not always progress forward.
The "tea-bagging conservatives" as an example.
 
Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois and subvert the democratic process?

No they absolutely not be paid since they are not working. However, I think in some ways they are still doing the right thing.
 
We bet as soon as the 16 Democratic Wisconsim members are identified. The 16 do no actually need to be by name, as long as we know who they are, if one dies, then it's 15, and you'll need to get 8 to be re-elected.

Do you say YES then? I've already got the avatar made and ready.

I am not going to be saddled with somebody who has no chance of winning re-election if they are not on the ballot. That is ridiculous. People can die. People can have health problems.
People can have family problems. People can have financial problems. People can have personal problems. If they are not on the ballot, I will not be saddled with them as that is unfair and gives you an unfair advantage.

We bet on those before the electorate. I say that a majority of those who Dems who left will be re-elected when they stand before the public for re-election.
 
I am not going to be saddled with somebody who has no chance of winning re-election if they are not on the ballot. That is ridiculous. People can die. People can have health problems.
People can have family problems. People can have financial problems. People can have personal problems. If they are not on the ballot, I will not be saddled with them as that is unfair and gives you an unfair advantage.
I'm not asking for that so that's fine.

We bet on those before the electorate. I say that a majority of those who Dems who left will be re-elected when they stand before the public for re-election.
We bet on those individuals today. And a majority means 51% or >. You agree?
 
I'm not asking for that so that's fine.

We bet on those individuals today. And a majority means 51% or >. You agree?

So the bet is that we take the Wisconsin Senate Dems who left the state who run for re-election next time. I say a majority of those who run will be re-elected. You claim they will not. A tie goes to you.
The icon of the winner is the prize.

Agreed?
 
So the bet is that we take the Wisconsin Senate Dems who left the state who run for re-election next time. I say a majority of those who run will be re-elected. You claim they will not. A tie goes to you.
The icon of the winner is the prize.

Agreed?

Jezus dude. There is no icon, the loser must use the winners avatar of choice, for 30 days starting the 1st of the next month. If you agree, we're on.
 
Unbelievable, two "liberals" agreeing with a "hard line" conservative.
But, at this point in time, could we agree that the Democrats are in the minority and the GOP should be ruling the day - is this not democracy ?....majority rules ?

I remember the same outrage people had when the democrats filibustered when Bush was in Office. I admit I was one of those people who was outraged but the logic occurred to me that politicians who allegedly feel the same way I do will one day be in the minority and the other side will be the majority and it will go back and forth between one side being in the majority and the other side being in the minority. I bet no party is willing to make it to where a politician forfeits their vote on a issue and a vote can go on if a politician refuses to show up to vote.



Has the time and need for unions passed ?

I say no. At the same time I support "right to work" and "at will" termination.A union should not be able to dictate who gets hired or fired, nor should then force someone to join a union at part of their employment agreement. And if all the worker go on strike that company should be free to replace every single employee who walks off the job, if those employees are really that valuable that company will negotiate.

Should the unions modernize their role ??
Unions should always look out for the interests of their members and at the same time unions should realize that companies and states can not continue to give out the same benefits they used to.
 
So the bet is that we take the Wisconsin Senate Dems who left the state who run for re-election next time. I say a majority of those who run will be re-elected. You claim they will not. A tie goes to you.
The icon of the winner is the prize.

Agreed?

so you can benefit from politicians reading the tea leaves and not re-running because the writing is on the wall.
 
So the bet is that we take the Wisconsin Senate Dems who left the state who run for re-election next time. I say a majority of those who run will be re-elected. You claim they will not. A tie goes to you.
The icon of the winner is the prize.

Agreed?

Why can't the democrats just go back and vote "no"? Is there a reason I am missing here? They do have the majority, right?
 
Why can't the democrats just go back and vote "no"? Is there a reason I am missing here? They do have the majority, right?

The republicans have the majority. The democrats left to deny them a quorum.
 
The republicans have the majority. The democrats left to deny them a quorum.

Oh word. So this is similar to a filibuster (something that I am adamantly against)? Then I definitely stand by my answer of "no, they should not be paid", though I do not agree with the republican agenda.

I think it is less about being paid, and more about me hating the dirty politics that go on. Why do we need these stupid rules? They didn't show up, their vote doesn't count, they lose. Moreover, the fact that we know that all republicans will vote "yes" and all democrats will vote "no" shows how poorly our current government is running.

This is an excellent example of how the party system is destroying our government.
 
Oh word. So this is similar to a filibuster (something that I am adamantly against)? Then I definitely stand by my answer of "no, they should not be paid", though I do not agree with the republican agenda.

I think it is less about being paid, and more about me hating the dirty politics that go on. Why do we need these stupid rules? They didn't show up, their vote doesn't count, they lose. Moreover, the fact that we know that all republicans will vote "yes" and all democrats will vote "no" shows how poorly our current government is running.

This is an excellent example of how the party system is destroying our government.

In a way it is similar to a filibuster. (I hadn't thought of that comparison, but it seems apt).
 
Oh word. So this is similar to a filibuster (something that I am adamantly against)? Then I definitely stand by my answer of "no, they should not be paid", though I do not agree with the republican agenda.

I think it is less about being paid, and more about me hating the dirty politics that go on. Why do we need these stupid rules? They didn't show up, their vote doesn't count, they lose. Moreover, the fact that we know that all republicans will vote "yes" and all democrats will vote "no" shows how poorly our current government is running.

This is an excellent example of how the party system is destroying our government.

Do you think either side is willing to change the rules so that votes can go on if politicians refuse to show up to vote?
 
Nope. It appears that they are doing exactly that, protecting the people of Wisconsin from an elective dictatorship. There are more ways to represent your constituents than merely making yourself into compliant lobby fodder. They are opposing the Governor using congessional procedure, just like raising points of order, filibustering, obstructive amendments etc. As I applaud their aim, I applaud their tactics. As you deplore their aim, you deplore their tactics. That's politics for you.
Yea, they sure are doing their job sitting in a Rockford, IL hotel for a few days right? Maybe one day democrats will realize that budgets cuts are necessary, and that means that their beloved unions might be in the same field as well. I find it quite humorous that democrats defend so strongly these unions, yet they make up for less than 10% of the workforce, as the private sector makes up nearly 90% of the employment in this country, give or take a few. Corporations and small businesses are constantly getting hammered with increased tax hikes and regulations and you don't see them crying and protesting like these unions do you?

There are approximately 154.4 million employed individuals in the US.[63] Small businesses are the largest employer in the country representing 53% of US workers.[64] The second largest share of employment belongs to large businesses, who employ a total of 38% of the US workforce.[64] A total of 91% of Americans are employed by the private sector. Government accounts for 8% of all US workers.

Economy of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Do you think either side is willing to change the rules so that votes can go on if politicians refuse to show up to vote?

No. I don't. I have very little faith in our representatives currently. I think most of them rely on partisan rhetoric to get elected since most of them have very little knowledge of how to actually run a country.
 
I think they should be fined... These people are running and trying to dictate their views in a sad attempt to silence democracy. They are villains, not heros.
 
I say yes. They are doing what their voters elected them to do which is oppose and prevent legislation that their constituents oppose and support and enact legislation that their voters support.

But where is the line? Anything that accomplishes this is considered doing their job? Just for arguments sake, what if they assasinated the opposition. They would be preventing legislation that their constituents oppose afterall.

I believe fleeing is morally wrong just as assasination would be. But I am a person that believes that the end result is not the only factor but also how you go about acheiving that result.
 
But where is the line? Anything that accomplishes this is considered doing their job? Just for arguments sake, what if they assasinated the opposition. They would be preventing legislation that their constituents oppose afterall.

I believe fleeing is morally wrong just as assasination would be. But I am a person that believes that the end result is not the only factor but also how you go about acheiving that result.


I do not think you can really compare the two. Assignations and skipping town on are different ends on the immorality scale,its like comparing picking up money you find off the ground to robbing a bank. And as far as I know it is legal to skip town to prevent a vote.

If the voters do not like politicians skipping town to prevent votes then they should harass the hell out of their elected officials to make it where politicians forfeit their votes for skipping towns and votes can go on. However I see no side wanting to change this.
 
I wasn't trying to imply that the two were on the same level only that I view both tactics as immoral. Legal does not necessarily equate to moral imo.

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I just heard that today they removed electronic deposits on their paycheck. So to collect their pay they will have to return to the state.
 
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Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois and subvert the democratic process?

Reverse the situation. What would have been the position of the Main Stream Media had the Republicans walked out in the middle of the health care debate even though they could have used the same lame ass excuse now being touted as justification for the political treason now engaged in Wisconsin and Indiana? WE ARE THE MINORITY and THEY (the majority) are trying to rush this legislation through without giving us the minority a chance to read or debate the law. Laugh My Ass Off at the obvious hypocrisy. Not fun riding in the back seat...is it? Elections have consequences.....yada, yada, yada....Man up grow a pair and SHOW UP, stop crying and whining like the liberals you are.
 
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Reverse the situation. What would have been the position of the Main Stream Media had the Republicans walked out in the middle of the health care debate even though they could have used the same lame ass excuse now being touted as justification for the political treason now engaged in Wisconsin and Indiana? WE ARE THE MINORITY and THEY (the majority) are trying to rush this legislation through without giving us the minority a chance to read or debate the law. Laugh My Ass Off at the obvious hypocrisy. Not fun riding in the back seat...is it? Elections have consequences.....yada, yada, yada....

Walter. Wake up. I'm on your side.
 
Walter. Wake up. I'm on your side.

Are you the Main Stream Media? I offered an opinion...about the AWOL TREASONOUS actions of the PROGRESSIVES. Do you think traitors should be paid for treason? The truth takes no sides.
 
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